GHB/1,4-B/GBL Discussion and use

[who_can_say]

I can provide peer-reviewed references for studies investigating the efficacy of GHB as an aid for opiate and alcohol withdrawal if anyone wants them. I've read alot of literature about GHB in the context of 'party' drug use, and I don't remember anything saying that GHB is safer than any other drug.

The problem with trying to say GHB, or for that matter that any drug, is safer than another drug is that there are so many factors that need to be considered. Drugs are often (though not always) used in a polydrug context. People use certain drugs in certain locations. People use certain drugs for certain reasons. All these need to be considered when making a sweeping statement that something is safer than another.

Those are my five cents worth (and apologies if Ive gone off topic; I didnt read all of the peoples' comments before this page hehe).

 

[lovebrisvegas]

As someone who has never used GHB/1,4-B/GBL before I am both scared and extremely interested....

On one hand you have people raving on and on and on about how easy it is to overdose and how dangerous re-dosing can be

On the other hand I have an alternative to pills which I can use 3 nights out a week and not have wrecked the experience of that drug (IE MDMA)

I know for sure one friend who I would absolutely not give this to because he is a stupid fuck and once he is on shit he has no limits...

I am definitely looking forward to getting my hands on some GBL :D

Question:

I had a question at the beginning of this thread that wasn't really answered by reading through it, how exactly are these 0.5-2.5ml doses etc measured out?

 

[juice_soldier]

^God, i love your type.. the scared curious little child

answer to your question: Either by a medical dosage cup, with its lowest measurement being 2.5ml (that would be a weak dose for me).

Most of us, use syringes (oooh scary aint it? ) no, oral dosage syringes with 0.25ml increments. So they are fairly accurate.


I suggest, in all seriousness, start with a starter dose of no less than 2ml. As technically it can be no stronger than pure product, and a 2ml dose of diluted g would be, pretty poor. 2ml is highly unlikely to cause you any problems. (this is 1,4-b i'm talking about)

If you have GBL, and it's purity is of about 99% and you know that - i'd suggest diluting it 2:1 (33.3% water), and using doses of about 2ml of that - it also seems to stop the membrane irritation commonly caused by gbl

Or, you can always do as the old school guys did, which must have made taking g foul - and dilute it 1:8, dye it blue and measure it in like 16-20ml doses from a medicine dose cup.

 

[Splatt]

Stick with syringes if you're going to try it. They range from 15c to 50c depending on the chemist. They are 3ml. Just ask for "needle-less measuring syringes" 3ml is accurate, 6ml ones are a bit harder to dose with if you want exactly 1.75 or 1.8 etc.

Also like to add if you come across GBL somehow, you are lucky.. but remember.. even if its diluted like juice soldier said still never just squirt it into your mouth!!! Put it in a drink.. At least like 30mls of soft drink or juice, possibly more.. It will absolutely cain your throat if you don't, it is not pleasant in the slightest, I did it once and coughed for an hour thinking I was going to die. A friend also did it on a meth comedown and I thought he was going to die freom what I was hearing over the phone in the background when his worried girlfriend rang me asking what to do. Turns out the idiot just drank an unknown amount of pure GBL (estimated 3.5-4ml) wqithout any water at all.. He was hyperventilating and yelling uncontrollable and then blew out for a long time.

 

[Chronik Fatigue]

^^ You can get them from needl exchanges... They just think you're a bad junkie tha hits pills

 

[bustabraincell]

easy way

I have always kept my 'pocket supply ' in a 30 mil bottle 9like a nose drop bottle) with a dropper on it. I calibrate the dropper with a 10 mil measuring cylinder, usually is between 1.2-1.4 mil, depending on how hard you squeeze the bulb , and the size of the bulb. this makes it real easy to make doses up, , discretely and there are even droppers with graduations etched on the tube. Howevr, the black rubber bulbs will deteriorate rapidly with gbl, make sure to use the pink/orange ones, as they are impervious. Stay safe.

 

[bustabraincell]

tainted cup

as to useing medicine cups, ha ha, expect the cup to frost over, as gbl will will etch the surface, rendering it useless, and i forgot add, use at least 50 mil juice with it cos if it will dissolve plastic, yeah it will cane your mouth/thraot etc

 

[-Raver-]

Require some help with harm reduction.

A friend of mine (and I do REALLY mean a friend of mine, G sort of scares me), is taking some tonight at a music event. I have already told him that there is a fine line between a good and bad dose, especially since he has never had any before. Other than keep an eye on him during the night, are there any signs I should look for with regards to his physical behaviour ect... which may help me look after him better *just in case*?

Thanks.

 

[Splatt]

Don't re dose unless its 2+ hours later. DONT DRINK ANY ALCOHOL.
And work out of its 1,4B or GBL. Doubt it will be GHB. If it smells like acetone/nail polish remove or basically has any smell at all, its GBL, and you will need to put it in a soft drink or juice or water to dilute it or he will cause some horrible throat burns...

If it's 14b it will just taste a bit bitter with a hint of "Sweet plastic" still better to put it in a drink just dont use much water/liquid with it.

If its GBL, use it like it is pure, and start at say 1.6ml-2ml.. if you dont get much out of it after half an hour or an hour, try .5 more. Then wait 2 hours+ and try maybe 2.5 max if you think it is diluted.

If it's 1,4b you will probably need about 2ml-3ml of it. remember this depends on body weight and stomach contents.. G will do nothing on a full stomach except make you feel tired.. Best on an empty stomach and knowing your doses. I don't think trying it at an event is the best first time to try G.

Make sure he doesnt over do it... If he over does it you might see his starting to "trip over" like he lost consciousness for like half a second. If he gets that get him to sit down outside with some air and watch him.. Make sure his neck doesn't collapse on itself on the side and stops his breathing. If that happens scare him so his adrenalin kicks in and wakes him up. Get him to kepe hydrated too. GBL and 1,4B conversion to GHB can bring it out of you hard especially if you're active.

 

[massiveinminiature]

GBL & GHB is BAD SHIT !!!! That is from my own point of view ~ however this is coz I am prone to abuse the stuff (unintentionally ~ but once its down the neck my perspective tends to change some what).8(

All I want to say is that everyone be so careful simply coz its so F**KING EASY to go overboard with that stuff & the potential for disaster is endless!

LOTS of LOVE

M 'n' M xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[massiveinminiature]

You dislike what you've seen unwise people do to themselves with it. People do too much, they combine it with booze, they redose and redose multiple times...

Once GBL / GHB has been consumed I have seen the MOST WISEST of people turn in to the most FOOLISH of FOOLS!!! This is NOT thier intention either, BUT this stuff can cause a HUGE LOSS of sense and perspective.
I just think that it so so dodgy to confirm that if you use this stuff sensibly everything will be tickedy boo ! 8(
LIKE I say once down the hatch theres no guarantee as to how any individual will behave!

LOTS of LOVE

M 'n' M xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[B9]

I think if reliable evidence can be provided to back up these claims, then there may be a shift in thinking from those who demonise this substance and those who use it.

The substance is fine, just some people who are prone to overdoing things, well GBL particularly but not exclusively, it seems to have very negative consequences at times.


My perspective won't change on it, then again I've said that before!

 

[Splatt]

Way troo easy to over do and currently if i dont have g all day every day i just spew up stomach vile and feel dead and my blood pressure goes thru the roof.

 

[B9]

[EDIT: Moved this discussion from the What made you frown thread in Aus Social. hoptis]

First off C_D I'm pleased that you're OK!

Apologies for posting this when it seems you're trying to move the thread on BUT

Just making sure I was positioned so I could breathe properly. I did not take an overdose amount.

3.5 mls of GBL is a heavy dose. If you had no tolerance it is definitely too much . To blame the medication is I think perhaps a little face saving. I've seen people go down from 2.5mls. Not lightweights in either sense of the word.



much love

 

[college_dropout]

First off C_D I'm pleased that you're OK!

Apologies for posting this when it seems you're trying to move the thread on BUT



3.5 mls of GBL is a heavy dose. If you had no tolerance it is definitely too much . To blame the medication is I think perhaps a little face saving. I've seen people go down from 2.5mls. Not lightweights in either sense of the word.



much love

Wasn't GBL dude. I agree 3.5mls of that would put me out completely on its own.

 

[B9]

^ My Apologies



GHB I assume.

Who made it ? What strength blah de blah?. I nearly burned the house down on GHB!


Nuff said

 

[blind_injustice]

It was not GHB, it was 1,4 B or so i Assume. This was a once off, no doubt a bad turn of events, in no means a 'mistake' but at the same time, not a 'dumb move'

IM sure C_D took home a very good 'new view' from this event, I pray to the gods its never repeated though.

Dude, if you need Anti Depressants, No mind altering substance is a good move IMO. Just a rule of thumb. Then again, I hit rock bottom today mentally wise, and MG2S copped a lil bit of it. Life is like that, and it amazes me how quickly my mood changed.

keep smiling buddy, and please enjoy what god has given us all.. even if you dont blieve in him *looks blankly at ceiling light*

 

[juice_soldier]

You can basically guarantee without much doubt that any GBL/1,4-B you're takin, no matter how watered down - originated from a real lab, with real equipment and real qc standards.

I'd be pretty amazed if i saw someone making 1,4-b at home..

GHB is easy enough tho.

 

[B9]

Banjos system sounds good to me , always check the MSDS before conversion and don't fucking believe BASF and their MSDS, it's kind of variable 8) ,work out the molar ratio then start With 70% of the needed hydroxide and work it up from there. Unless you want to chance a little salt poisoning,

 

[B9]

people advocating that GHB is safer than MDMA

Compare figures in Britain for G deaths versus MDMA deaths, I don't think you would have even have adjust the figures for the greater number of MDMA -G users to get a different perspective.