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GBL MEGATHREAD 6: The Germans didn't make Dan's

ScotchMist said:
I assume you're talking about powder Englandz?? I don't know diddly squat about GHB/L but considering the dose is around 1-2ml I don't see how 6/7 grams would be soluble in that. Which would make me assume what you was buying was bulked out with some sort of filler...

As I said I don't know a great deal about it. Maybe some G fans could chime In... Not that it really matters, just curious is all..
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Ghb and gbl are two different substances essentially.

I'm trying to do the maths here. 100 grams of ghb in 500 ml of water. Assuming a capful is 8 ml then sround 24 ml could be a knock out... how many grams would that work out at? About 5 grams is it?
 
ScotchMist said:
I assume you're talking about powder Englandz?? I don't know diddly squat about GHB/L but considering the dose is around 1-2ml I don't see how 6/7 grams would be soluble in that. Which would make me assume what you was buying was bulked out with some sort of filler...

As I said I don't know a great deal about it. Maybe some G fans could chime In... Not that it really matters, just curious is all..
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No mate you bought a 500g tub of pure GBH or there were 100g tubs as well IIRC.

What you did was empty that teaspoon into a large glass of water or whatever and drank it. Some people would put a spoonful (or two) into a pint glass of water, stir it around then just neck it. Getting it to dissolve in that amount of liquid was no problem. It obviously wouldn't dissolve in 1-2ml.

There was also the liquid GHB about which was also very pure. That was dosed by (caps) as in screw off the bottle cap and fill it with the liquid and down in...would imagine that to be around 5ml.

As I mentioned though the doses we were taking and the reasons for taking it were different that recreational users.

It appears with GHB and GBL more is not always better :)
 
When I used to get GHB powder, I would dilute 1g of that powder to 10ml of water. That was pretty much the "standard" way of doing it back in those days.

You can't really compare that 1g of GHB to 1ml of GBL; it's on a different scale. No doubt there's a formula but I never bothered to work it out.
 
felix said:
When I used to get GHB powder, I would dilute 1g of that powder to 10ml of water. That was pretty much the "standard" way of doing it back in those days.

You can't really compare that 1g of GHB to 1ml of GBL; it's on a different scale. No doubt there's a formula but I never bothered to work it out.
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1ml of gbl is 4G of ghb... boom
 
Do you have a source for that? (i.e a scientific source, not a source source ;))

If I had ever taken that amount (e.g. approx. 7g of GHB in 70ml solution), I think that would've knocked me out every time to a scary degree.

Perhaps my memory on this is wrong, which is more than possible.
 
From memory 3.5g of GHB is apporximately equivalent to 2ml of GBL. In that region anyway. Can't provide sources as it would almost certainly involve synthesis but the exact figure is easy to find with any popular search engine.

Treacle said:
Are you sure about G depleting B vitamins, Shammy? I know alcohol does, but I didn't think G did anything like that.
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Not sure sure as in could provide links or owt but I do know that when I started taking B vitamins on the advice of the nurse at my addiction clinic the RLS that was driving me nuts when I was using GBL heavily just disappeared more or less overnight.

englandgz74 said:
I remember years ago when GHB was legal (and 100% pure) and it was very popular with bodybuilder for getting to sleep at night before a show (low bodyfat level and high doses of stimulating thermogenic fat burners made sleep almost impossible).
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One-off KO dosing wasn't really what I was meaning up there in relation to withdrawal effects as nobody will get into that situation from light, occasional use. Was specifcally talking about those that are in the 24/7 binging cycle.
 
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Shambles said:
One-off KO dosing wasn't really what I was meaning up there in relation to withdrawal effects as nobody will get into that situation from light, occasional use. Was specifcally talking about those that are in the 24/7 binging cycle.
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Oh yeah your spot on Shambles mate. I wasn't really on about WDs when I mentioned the KO dosing. I was just trying to highlight how we used it back then. Just to knock us out and promote the endogenous Growth Hormone (GH) secretions that come about during deep REM sleep. I wasn't meaning to link it to WDs. At the time, I had no idea it was a recreational drug and when I found out I was somewhat perplexed. The way it made me and my friends feel was pretty shit. You would just drop your head on the pillow and fall straight asleep, only to wake around 4 hours later (If you were lucky then you would wake WITHOUT discovering that you'd pissed yourself (haha!!) but that wasn't always the case :) ). then you would have to re-dose at about 2:00 - 3:00am just in order to get yourself back to sleep for the second half of the night. It wasn't pleasant at all.

Of course I later found out that the doses people were using for recreational purposes when clubbing were much, much lower than what we had been taking which is probably why the highly divergent opinions on it's potential as a drug of misuse stem from.

Like I say though I never did like the stuff one bit so I only tried it a handful of time.Then when we were informed that it was to be made a Schedule 2, Class C drug, it could obviously not be sold through sports supplements stores anymore. I've never taken it or even seen it since then
 
englandgz74 said:
IIRC GBL is a GHB prodrug and GBL converts to GHB in the stomach. The exact purpose for endogenous GHB isn't known but it has something to do with the central nervous system and there are many receptors in the brain that are activated by GHB.

It's actually a very interesting substance and prescription drug in the US for cataplexy but it's one of those interesting compounds that although endogenous we know next to fuck all about in terms of it's role in the mammalian brain.

Your dead right that GBL is converted to GHB in the body by paraoxonase (in that GBL is a GHB prodrug) but I imagine the levels that are naturally occurring are tiny in comparison to an exogenous dose.

As to whether you can be become dependent from once a day dosing? In real life...who knows. I certainly wouldn't want to be the one to find out one way or another though :)
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It's an interesting endogenous hormone that's for sure!

Fun fact: Whilst DMT peaks at death, so does GHB! I think it's somewhere around 150mg as highest.

If you keep to two doses per night, I doubt you'll see physical withdrawals with cessation.
 
damn i cant imagine someone not liking Ghb if they take the right dose..it just makes you feel so loose and social and horny..oh and very euphoric :)
 
question for those that have used it 24/7...u would be wakig up every 2 hours to redose correct??how did you feel when you woke up the next morning?i would imagine that type of halfass sleep would make u feel terrible...?

has anyone noticed that after a long time using gbl or ghb, that the sex drive boosting effects almost seem to reverse and your sex drive is lessened?im not talking 24/7 use, im talking just maybe daily use or once every few days, something similar..i remember when i first started taking ghb the sex drive boost was out of this world...lol...
 
I used 24/7 for weeks or months at a stretch over a period of many years and just chose not to dose when I was wanting to sleep so didn't wake during the night. I did often dose around the clock and not sleep at all but if I wanted to sleep I just stopped dosing and slept. Largely cos you do indeed feel godawful if you KO yourself repeatedly. It's not real sleep at all. Although the dreams are frikkin nuts 8o
 
OMG the dreams!!!! So damn real sometimes I'd really have to work out if something had actually happened or if I'd indeed dreamed it had. Irritatingly confusing. GAH!
 
has anyone estimated about how long the Gbl rebound lasts?i do notice it being worse than Ghb and Bdos...id assume it lasts around an hour or so?and again, i tested it, the first dose i take of gbl gives me a little rebound feeling but if i dose a second time, the rebound is definitely more noticeable..
 
3/5 hours if i recall, although im not that experienced with it so probably wrong

belfort said:
has anyone noticed that after a long time using gbl or ghb, that the sex drive boosting effects almost seem to reverse and your sex drive is lessened?im not talking 24/7 use, im talking just maybe daily use or once every few days, something similar..i remember when i first started taking ghb the sex drive boost was out of this world...lol...
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Yeah i've noticed this a bit recently. got crazy horny-ness off it, seems to have faded a bit though
 
I bet! not tried PV before but heard the horny-ness off it is through the roof.. mixed with G must be nuts.. speed and G is a right ole horny combo
 
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