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GBL MEGATHREAD 6: The Germans didn't make Dan's

That's not something that I've noticed from GBL.

If you think it may be liver or kidney related then I'd keep as well hydrated as possible, something which i think you do anyway from what i've gathered from your posts. Easy way to tell whether your sufficiently hydrated is whether your piss is dark and concentrated or if it's very light meaning you are well hydrated (you probably already knew all this anyway 8()
 
Yeah mate i always try & keep it light/clear. probably my liver then at a guess.. been feeling a lil bit sick as well. livers had quite a lot of abuse over the years, the poor ole bastard

Beetroot and milk thistle for me. when i get around to getting more
 
ColtDan said:
Can this leave a kinda metallic taste in your mouth the day after? i'm trying to work out if booze or this stuff has caused it. i used get it after hammering booze, haven't really hammered it recently. Did some G and had a few drinks yesterday and had it all day, hope my liver isnt battered, if i recall the metallic taste is from a battered liver or kidneys. no kidney aches though
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Metallic taste in your mouth can be a symptom of either liver or kidney problems (or pancreatic cancer or a whole host of other things). I really wouldn't worry though Dan mate. It's probably nothing.

If you are worried just go to your GP and ask for a blood test for full liver function test along with lipid profile and full blood count.

You don't have to mention the GBL just say you have been having some pain around your kidney area and would like a complete health check. Just wing it and say you've been feeling very run down and would like some blood work done as a kind of health MOT.

He'll probably be so pleased that a young lad like you is actually taking an interest in his health that he'll be more than happy to do the blood tests.

Perhaps say that you have been overdoing it at xmas (don't mention the drugs though) and say you would like a clean bill of health as you are going to start a healthy eating / training program in the new year and you want to make sure everything is in tip-top shape before you start.

Like I say it's 99.999% likely to be fuck all but if you want piece of mind then this is the way to go.

PM me if you want any more details mate.

Take care
 
no metallic taste for me either..only stims give me the metallic taste..ugghh...

is it possible for your body to become dependent on gbl through once a day dosing?im not sure whats going on but i notice when afternoon kicks in, i get slumpy and tired and gbl picks me up right out of it..gives me a huge surge of energy..again though, i only use it once a day..i think it would be out of your body so fast that dependency wouldnt result?
 
I would think you could still very much end up dependent through once a day dosing.

Remember just because the physical effects appear to have worn off, it doesn't mean the chemical has gone. It's just that due to the half life the levels have fallen to a point that you don't notice it's effects any more but it won't have been completely eliminated from the body. I don't know the exact half life of GBL but I'd bet my bottom dollar it will still be present in the blood 24hrs later. Half life only means the levels have halved (then quatered, then eigthed etc) not gone away.

Take care mate
 
I honestly can't see anybody becoming physically dependent on GBL from daily one-off dosing but psychological dependence would be entirely possible I'm sure. If you become accustomed to doing something around the same time every day - especially something you look forward to like a lushily euphoric massive kick of energy, GABA and dopamine - it kinda makes sense that you'd start clock-watching and generally getting a bit twitchy when you know you're "due".

I know exactly what you mean about how seductive GBL is and how easily it fits into life - one tiny squirt and everything is right with the world. It's very easy to get sucked in to far more abusive - and ultimately truly dependent - use so is well worth keeping an eye out for any early signs such as those it seems you may be currently experiencing. Maybe try switching up your routine - and ideally take days off from GBL completely.

And as for half-lives and things, I'm also not sure but - afaik - GBL is rapidly converted to GHB in vivo and as GHB occurs naturally in the human body it's probably a bit tricky to accurately define at what point any given dose has dropped off enough for a person to be back to their own natural baseline levels.
 
IIRC GBL is a GHB prodrug and GBL converts to GHB in the stomach. The exact purpose for endogenous GHB isn't known but it has something to do with the central nervous system and there are many receptors in the brain that are activated by GHB.

It's actually a very interesting substance and prescription drug in the US for cataplexy but it's one of those interesting compounds that although endogenous we know next to fuck all about in terms of it's role in the mammalian brain.

Your dead right that GBL is converted to GHB in the body by paraoxonase (in that GBL is a GHB prodrug) but I imagine the levels that are naturally occurring are tiny in comparison to an exogenous dose.

As to whether you can be become dependent from once a day dosing? In real life...who knows. I certainly wouldn't want to be the one to find out one way or another though :)
 
I know one dose of ghb or gbl now will put me into withdrawal when it wears off. I also know that whilst my gbl tolerance stays around the same my ghb tolerance has shot right up.

I'm getting 75g tubs of ghb which I stir to 300ml and it takes about 20 ml to get a kick, this could of course be the quality of the ghb being poor.
 
At the right amount this stuff is wicked, very nice indeed. Proper weird trying to sleep on the rebound though, did a few 1.2ml/1ml doses yesterday, got a bit stupidly greedy and bumped it up to 1.6. redosed too quickly after, ended up being sick. then reboundy trying to sleep, twingy clenching restless legs, tingle, feeling of eyes swimming/rolling but it wasnt particullary nice, was neither nice nor unpleasant as such just annoying and wrong. weird random racing thought process, i love the stim thought process but trying to sleep on this stuff really is fucking odd unless you've got benzos to ease it down
 
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ColtDan said:
At the right amount this stuff is wicked, very nice indeed. Proper weird trying to sleep on the rebound though, did a few 1.2ml/1ml doses yesterday, got a bit stupidly greedy and bumped it up to 1.6. redosed too quickly after, ended up being sick. then reboundy trying to sleep, twingy clenching restless legs, tingle, feeling of eyes swimming/rolling but it wasnt particullary nice, was neither nice nor unpleasant as such just annoying and wrong. weird random racing thought process, i love the stim thought process but trying to sleep on this stuff really is fucking odd unless you've got benzos to ease it down
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Just have a decent sized dose before bed and you should sleep easy enough, even if it's only a few hours. It's very unique both ghb and gbl, although cns depressants, have a very stimulant like quality. Ghb not so much.
 
itsonlyme123 said:
Just have a decent sized dose before bed and you should sleep easy enough, even if it's only a few hours. It's very unique both ghb and gbl, although cns depressants, have a very stimulant like quality. Ghb not so much.
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Dont wanna end up sleeping a few hours then wake up with that reboundy stimulation etc tho. i'll probably stick to 1.2 doses for a few hours, then cut it down to 1ml, then 0.8, then 0.6 or something. maybe. musta been over-doing it cos ive almost lost the crazy horny-ness i got off it. Only been doing it a few months as well. couple weeks break and i wonder if it'll return back to when i first did it
 
itsonlyme123 said:
Just have a decent sized dose before bed and you should sleep easy enough, even if it's only a few hours.
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I've long had a suspicion that it's dosing for sleep that leads to the more extreme withdrawal symptoms almost all heavy users experience. It's the only thing I know of that "everybody else" who uses/used GBL 24/7 for weeks and months at a stretch did that I didn't (almost never anyway) and I'm the only heavy user over a period of many years who never really got any significant withdrawal effects. The only time I did was the one time I did KO myself most nights to get that instasleep effect (not that it is anything like actual sleeps). Could be a coincidence but avoiding KO doses at night (ideallly avoiding them completely) seems to minimise (frankly more or less eliminate) any significant withdrawal effects even with heavy and extended use. Does for me anyway and I would personally advise anybody using GBL/GHB to put up with the residual stimulation and stick to natural sleep and/or dose earlier in the day and avoid KO doses completely if possible but - for me - it really did seem to be specifically related to trying to replace natural sleep with KO dosing.

ColtDan said:
... twingy clenching restless legs...
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B vitamins make a big difference to the RLS that comes with dosing too high but short of KO and is worth taking anyway if using GBL regularly (or drinking alcohol regularly for that matter) cos they can both cause vitamin deficincies - especially B vitamins - which results in 'orrible RLS amongst other things. The other symptoms you mention are just what happens if you dose a mite short of KO but too high to really be recreational. The short duration comes in handy at such times cos it's not exactly pleasant is it - also not really horrid but definitely not desirable either way.
 
I believe the half-life of GHB is 30 minutes, which is why it's not possible to test for, in cases of 'date rape'. Are you sure about G depleting B vitamins, Shammy? I know alcohol does, but I didn't think G did anything like that.
 
Treacle said:
I believe the half-life of GHB is 30 minutes, which is why it's not possible to test for, in cases of 'date rape'. Are you sure about G depleting B vitamins, Shammy? I know alcohol does, but I didn't think G did anything like that.
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What about hair tests?
 
I remember years ago when GHB was legal (and 100% pure) and it was very popular with bodybuilder for getting to sleep at night before a show (low bodyfat level and high doses of stimulating thermogenic fat burners made sleep almost impossible).

Anyway I usually found a good dose at night would send me right to sleep ....as in unconscious sleep BUT you would wake up 3 or 4 hours later wide awake and it would be IMPOSSIBLE to get back to sleep. This usually necessitated taking another dose to sleep the rest of the night.

As I've said before GHB was legal and could be bought in gyms and even health food shops back then. I found it a horrible drug and could never fathom out why people called it "liquid ecstasy"...the feeling it gave me was far from ecstatic...Maybe to do with it being so pure and taking too much. The standard dose back then was a rounded teaspoon which would be approx 6 or even 7 grams (quite a lot considering the purity).
 
I assume you're talking about powder Englandz?? I don't know diddly squat about GHB/L but considering the dose is around 1-2ml I don't see how 6/7 grams would be soluble in that. Which would make me assume what you was buying was bulked out with some sort of filler...

As I said I don't know a great deal about it. Maybe some G fans could chime In... Not that it really matters, just curious is all..
 
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