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GBL Megathread 5: Germans do it better

I currently have a small quantity of gb on the way and it is 99.7% purity(the min. is 99.5 to be shipped out from them but the result is 99.7 on their assay). It is Chinese gbl by the way and never had issues with it. My bad if this has been discussed before but what exactly are the small tiny amount of impurities of gbl when they say it is 99.99%, 99.8, 99.7 and etc?
My last bottle from another place was supposedly 99.99 but I wouldn't 100% believe that. Only the producer knows...
I've been using g for a while for bodybuilding since I don't drink alcohol anymore and g has been the greatest thing for both recreationally and for speeding up my metabolism and reducing body fat due to the elevated growth hormone levels. I have gone on every 6-7 hr dosing schedule for months straight at a time with short breaks in between since 2010. Basically twice a day for 1.5ml each time spaced out 6-7 hrs in between and never had withdrawals or acidosis provided I eat enough alkaline forming foods often.
Anyways, I just never got to found out what these small impurities are if it would have any bad effects in the long term.
Thanks for your inputs in advance.
 
What you need to do is to use activated carbon to remove as many impurities as possible. Please Totally disregard any % that sites give you, these are incorrect. Even if they were correct for the GBL when they made the purchase a variety of things have happened:
- They have re-bottled the GBL leading to many new organic and inorganic impurities
- Time has passed, different kinds of plastics that the GBL has been stored in have degraded
- Various necessary storing conditions have not been met; the GBL has been in contact with direct sunlight, heat and moisture etc

Use activated charcoal to remove that you can, then convert to Na-GHB using NaOH and H2O litmus paper rather than weights as your guide.
 
Thanks for the tips FT.
My gb is coming straight from the manufacturer this time tho right off the full container. But I guess I would still need to use activated charcoal to remove the impurities. And I didn't really bother converting it to ghb because I like the gbl so much better hehe. Although it is a little short lived and so much more fiendish but I'm over that stage. Where can I get activated charcoal?
 
I believe GBL is very affinate for activated charcoal, as much as its impurities are, so it does little to help.

You can test this by adding 50 or so mls to a similar volume of fresh activated charcoal. It will heat up and you won't get your 50mls back easily.

I have found that treatment with c.HCl and neutralisation with NaOH in brine seems to reduce the offensive taste somewhat, but not completely.

The only truly effective purification is reflux with c.HCl and subsequent vacuum distillation.

The purities quoted by stores typically are in the 98% region, and the majority of that will be water, along with a little bit of the impurity that adds a lot of the unpleasant taste. If I had to guess, I'd say it's minimally harmful, if at all at the doses you're using.
 
the impuritie is 1,4-butandiol not water.

If your product has been cut with water, put it in the freezer and remove the ice that forms on the top. Then go through the process for removing the 1,4-b.


In other news I have had 0.5mg etizolam, 1.5ml GBL and am sipping on a glass of wine

:D :D :D
 
pontifex01 said:
Phenibut is often mentioned as effective in stopping G WD's but is dangerous (as Treacle points out above) because it acts on the same receptor system as G. So you're swapping one poison for another. People should also consider Pregabalin and Gabapentin, which leave the GABA system untouched while relieving a lot of WD symptoms, and are therefore a healthier choice.
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Pregabalin works by converting glutamate into GABA. Therefore, it reduces glutamate levels (relieving anxiety) and floods the GABA system with GABA. It's recommended to taper off, to avoid withdrawals, but I've never noticed any - even when running out for four days. So, it does work on the GABA system, and is excellent for anxiety, but doesn't affect it like benzos do - so doesn't require extreme care. Doses over 300mg give me anxiety and seem to give people a reverse reaction, so don't just eat them like sweets. :) Pregabalin doesn't touch extreme withdrawals, whereas phenibut will. You just have to stop after a few days, or you'll end up with the same problem that lasts twice as long.
 
Gone and bought myself some German BASF GBL.
On a whim really, don't really have a particular desire to try the stuff.

Where's the best place to get a dosing syringe? Can I just go to the chemist and ask for an oral syringe or what?
 
Easiest is to pop down to Holland & Barrett and buy a 30ml bottle of Echinacea. (It has a graduated 1ml pipette ... and throw away the echinacea :->)


Munroe said:
Gone and bought myself some German BASF GBL.
On a whim really, don't really have a particular desire to try the stuff.

Where's the best place to get a dosing syringe? Can I just go to the chemist and ask for an oral syringe or what?
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phillyx said:
Easiest is to pop down to Holland & Barrett and buy a 30ml bottle of Echinacea. (It has a graduated 1ml pipette ... and throw away the echinacea :->)
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I have done this twice and it is THE way to go :)

a 30ml bottle with a glass pipette built in is the way forward :D
 
The cheapest I could see was a £10 bottle, bit expensive for a pipette init?

Would one of those calpol syringes do for baby medicine?
 
I've used an Infacol bottle it doesn't have a gradient ( is that what you call it ? ) on the built in pipette but I think it only goes to 1 or 2 ml and is 40 ish mm long so it's pretty easy to dose accurately enough. The bottle and pipette are plastic but not the sort that G dissolves e even over a good period of time, about £3 a bottle.
 
yoyo50 said:
Ive always used a glass pipette off ebay 3 for a few quid, i just stopped doing a 25-30ml daily for 3 months on tuesday and feel, rather fine,
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wow that is pretty heavy use and you got away without some bad withdrawls other people seem to experience. I have done twice a day schedule for months and months(mainly use for bodybuilding.. to speed up my metabolism and reduce body fat precentage) and don't feel any physical w/d after stopping either. But my use is more like 3m 3.5ml a day. 25ml-30ml a day is pretty ridiculous still hah.
 
Onandoff said:
I have gone on every 6-7 hr dosing schedule for months straight at a time with short breaks in between since 2010. Basically twice a day for 1.5ml each time spaced out 6-7 hrs in between
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How do you sleep? Just a couple of doses during the day stops me sleeping that night. I either have to be on it, including night time dosing, or off it. I couldn't just do it twice a day and still sleep.
 
Valkyrie said:
Just a couple of doses during the day stops me sleeping that night. I either have to be on it, including night time dosing, or off it. I couldn't just do it twice a day and still sleep.
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Same here..

Unless I use other sedatives/hypnotics for sleep.
 
Valkyrie said:
How do you sleep? Just a couple of doses during the day stops me sleeping that night. I either have to be on it, including night time dosing, or off it. I couldn't just do it twice a day and still sleep.
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I take my first dose(1.5ml) before my lunch (around noon) then another 1.5ml(sometimes 1.75ml ish) before dinner which is around 6-7pm. I go to bed around 1-2am and wake up after nice restful 8 hours of sleep. Maybe eating a ton is helping me somehow. I eat like 7 meals a day(3 medium sized meals and 3-4 snack sized meals) and take a bunch of supplements like fish oil, whey, creatine, taurine, greens+ detox, chlorella, suntheanine and etc. And I train a ton 5-6 times a week(weight training and cardio). I have gone on that twice a day cycle for months and months straight at a time but on and off(taking like 3 weeks to 2 months break here and there) since mid 2010. I think went through about 1.25L in two years maybe 1.5L.
Everytime I went off of it I didn't have severe physical withdrawls like many people talk about. I do notice I can only sleep about 4 hours immediately after stopping the usage but that only lasts for about a few days for me and then I am back to normal. Also, I notice some fatigue for several days after stopping and that's about it. I also take kratom and I switch between the two. When I am off G I take kratom everday, twice a day also and when I am off kratom I take G. If anything kratom gives me some mild withdrawls and G helps a lot with that. And this is GBL I'm talking about not GHB. I have these '00' gel caps which can hold 0.75ml of gbl in each cap. I drop two of those with juice. I can never mix gbl with pop or juice or whatever anymore it's just too nasty. Gel caps is the way to go imo. Don't worry about gbl burning your stomach when the gel caps crack open we have plenty of strong acid in our stomach to protect. And oh I have plenty of white grape fruit juice at home heh. GHB is nice but converting gbl to ghb is a federal offence in this country and I don't feel comfortable doing that. It is indeed GHB in the end in my body lol but ya...
 
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Someone that actually abides by the law 8o Can it really be!

Anyways Onandoff that is a mighty impressive of you to stay on a reasonable dose, it probably helps a log that you are dosing so many hours before bed, the rebound insomnia hits when you are doing like 3ml just to make your self pass out for 2-3 hours. It's really wierd suddently waking up as if you have just done a small line of [insert generic stim].
 
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