Stimulants freebase adderall extraction + smoking the freebase questions

[CFC]

Does the heat and boiling of the vaping process turn an HCl salt into freebase?

I believe it does, and would assume so - at least, this is what I've gleaned over the years reading from others who have. Which doesn't mean it's as caustic though, since you're inhaling both the hcl and other pyrolytic by-products along with the hydrophobic alkaline amp, and for all I know it aerosols better with all that. There's obviously little (possibly none) actual scientific literature on it though, unlike with vaped meth.

 

[Zonxx]

Yeah, I agree it's horribly fiendish. It's because I vape meth that I tried to freebase and vape amps - being driven by that absurdly hard-wired addictive determination to 'vape' just about anything

yep.

but so... results are in guys, i didn't seperate them, however i did attempt to just vaporize the salts - as in in adderall crushed form, and

Only the freebase. I remove the lysine from lisdexamfetamine then vape.

i'd like to remove the Lisdex, can someone point me towards that in particular to achieve just d-amp? however i think its been said on this post already that d-amp isn't really anything special when taken alone, the addy combo seem to be best and since 25/75d is the ratio id only assume amphetamine being 50/50 would be love or hate for people

 

[Sertürner]

@Zonxx Did you just crush the pill and cwe then smoke it?

 

[Zonxx]

I'm sorry I was not more explicit in my post, will try to fix that now.
Vaping Amphetamine freebase or HCl will not help that much in regards to your goal as a big factor in the lingering effects of Amphetamine is that it slowly crosses the BBB and therefore it doesn't change the timeline (and strength of the effects, even if that is not what you seek, it kinda goes hand in hand) of the high as drastically as smoking or IVing does for other drugs such as cocaine. It will do so to some extent, but not as much as I assume you may be expecting given your experience with Cocaine.
IIRC there would also be the issue of the local vasoconstriction action of Amphetamine, as you need much more in your lungs than meth to feel effects, and it may be enough to give you trouble as restriction in the only means you have of expelling CO2 and getting O2 has the potential for rather unpleasant consequences. Using Dextroamphetamine instead of the 75/25 mix of Adderall and therefore needing a lower total dose might help in that regard.

its unfortunate that this is the case to be quite honest but the adderall mix sublingually is alright the 'high' is alright its just that the lingering effects when im not fatigued or have pregabalin tend to turn it into a hardcore binge cycle of : High dose - medium dose 2 hours in then maintain peak as well as possible up to 6 hours take 6 hour break medium dose which is usually 30-90mg the initial which i found to be my sweet spot thats just right with amps is 120mg, id probably use less with amphetamine being 50/50 i'm always cautious even being tolerant to stimulants, we can always take more but never less =p

alass i do believe that the l-amp is a must in my version of prefferable effects, im pretty positive that if i had a 50/50 ratio i'd have a lower dose of say 30-60 or90 instead of 120 however with dex amp after a few days on amps my judgement generally fails and i end up taking as much as i feel like i can handle but never go for the fiending 'more more more' phase because i know how that could end
but i'm thinking a 50/50 would lower my doses due to increased physical effects from the l-amp, but lets not forget
im gonna have to proof read my response after i sleep because im really damn ampd right now to be completely honest but on a good note, i've saved another dose of my opiates by somehow skipping them due to 12 hours flying by doing idfk what so i should take a small dose of those now so i don't get wd yepyep

 

[Zonxx]

@Zonxx Did you just crush the pill and cwe then smoke it?

i'll try that with one now, i don't like the 20mg ones anyways i have a bunch of those they don't seem to work anywhere like the 30s is CWE going to smoke? i'll see what comes out with 1 pill and if it gives somthing, i'll do it with 5 or 10

 

[Sertürner]

@Zonxx how did you extract the salts is what I meant

 

[Sertürner]

It sounds like you tried to just smoke a crushed up pill....

 

[Zonxx]

i felt like sharing this on BL because

done mate, I hope you don't mind. but like this you got all the info stated, the way yous tarted it,what kind of amph you had and how did you get to the freebase plus now people can put in input on how to smoke it efficiently

i got hella information on the topic because of your merge so i do have to thankyou, but yeah herpderp i don't know why i made a second related post, lets blame the amps.

 

[Zonxx]

It sounds like you tried to just smoke a crushed up pill....

i did put alittle powder on foil and heated it up, it smelt like shit, didn't wana go for a chase. edited : actually i DID chase a tiny bit of it my bad i'm extremely out of it right now, but it absolutely actually had an effect much different than just subbing the same amount of addy, cant really tell if good or bad but certainly not healthy because it didnt smell/taste good at all. but i also don't have the neccesary materials...yet to seperate them.

You would end up with amphetamine citrate not amphetamine hcl. And it is important to remove all of the inactives first because you may be left with fillers that will burn below the vaporization point of the amp. This will end up being very nasty to smoke. Also, since adderall contains 4 types of amps, and you want the amp sulfate IIRC, you would have to separate all of the other amps before you could smoke it. Each one is going to have a different vaporization point, as well as each one requiring a different process to convert it to the freebase before recrystallizing it as amphetamine hcl.

It's going to a long and tedious process if you decide to do it but it would make it much easier to isolate the amp sulfate from the rest of the binders and other amphetamines in the pill before basifying it.

if i get it's freebase form, that would be better to smoke, no?

 

[Zonxx]

i'll need to water extract and then use H2SO4 as suggested and see what happens, after a water extraction all fillers/any other material is gone yes? Also, its absolutely neccesary to seperate all 4 amphetamines in the addy correct or else bad ye?
is it even neccesary to extract them since i have the crushed powder from Addy xr, as far as i know its already the active chemicals

i'm pretty sure what I was thinking when i asked this was to just turn them all simply into a salt to vape/smoke but it seems like it'd be a very labor intensive process for all 4 amps

little fatigued right now and in mild opiate wd if my text is alittle wonky thats why.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

My background is purely self teaching as well, apart from my dad being PhD in Chemistry and me asking questions from a young age that gave me a particular mindset given I had high school level Chemistrym, Physics, Biology, and Astronomy when 8yo. So I went through a few stages of my life knowing how many things work instead of having my own childish trips about things.

Back on topic: that's the boiling point of Amphetamine, as in the freebase.
We are talking about Amphetamine salts, with the Sulphate having the property of being decomposed at 300C without vaping.
Anyway the freebase boils at 200 but slowly evaporates at room temperature, Benzedrine was sold as a nasal decongestant and it was a metal tube containing Amphetamine Freebase soaked cotton and you would just smell it to get the desired topical effects.
Or just swallow the cotton whole and have it form the HCl salt in your stomach for a more recreational effects profile.

Correct when wrong. Amphetamine Sulphate has a melting point of 536 to 538 ° F. That's about 280 ° C. But is a melting point something diff as boiling point? Or a diff wording for the same.

In the same text of the link "Boiling Point: data unavailable" that answer's my own question about the two I am gonna educate myself a bit before bothering the lot of you. But it is interesting to investigate, later.
https://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/19815

The burn point at which it decomposes 300 ° C. So a small margin between the melting and burning. But the biggest problem is the volatility, is that that after melting it refuses to become aerosol?

Pure educational, as I am not gonna smoke stimulant's ever in my life. I have tried, once with MDPV. Just to see what everyone was raving/ gettin addicted to. I thought it was mweh.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

The difference between melting point and boiling point. Never would have thought I know about this.

https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-boiling-point-and-vs-melting-point/

Are the Amphetamine Sulphate, Hcl or Freebase boiling point's known would be the most likely next step to investigate.

 

[Hodor]

Correct when wrong. Amphetamine Sulphate has a melting point of 536 to 538 ° F. That's about 280 ° C. But is a melting point something diff as boiling point? Or a diff wording for the same.

In the same text of the link "Boiling Point: data unavailable" that answer's my own question about the two I am gonna educate myself a bit before bothering the lot of you. But it is interesting to investigate, later.
https://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/19815

The burn point at which it decomposes 300 ° C. So a small margin between the melting and burning. But the biggest problem is the volatility, is that that after melting it refuses to become aerosol?

Pure educational, as I am not gonna smoke stimulant's ever in my life. I have tried, once with MDPV. Just to see what everyone was raving/ gettin addicted to. I thought it was mweh.

The melting point is when a substance goes from solid to liquid. In case of water, this would be 0 degrees Celsius.

The boiling point is when a substance goes from liquid to gaseous. In case of water, this would be 100 degrees Celsius.
However, the liquid phase is in equilibrium with the gas phase to some extent, so some of the liquid will start evaporating and going into the gas phase before the boiling point is reached. In case of water, this phenomenon is called "humidity".

For the liquid to fully evaporate, however, you either need to reach the boiling point, or shift the equilibrium by continously removing water from the gas phase (ex.: hanging your clothes to dry in the wind, where the air currents will carry away the moisture released into the air by your clothes, allowing new water molecules to keep taking their place until they are dry).

In some cases, you do not have a melting point at all. Terephthalic acid, for example, is a highly symmetric molecule with strong intermolecular interactions. Therefore, under normal atmospheric pressure, it will sublime (directly evaporate from the solid phase) instead of melting.

 

[Phobos]

Correct when wrong. Amphetamine Sulphate has a melting point of 536 to 538 ° F. That's about 280 ° C. But is a melting point something diff as boiling point? Or a diff wording for the same.

In the same text of the link "Boiling Point: data unavailable" that answer's my own question about the two I am gonna educate myself a bit before bothering the lot of you. But it is interesting to investigate, later.
https://cameochemicals.noaa.gov/chemical/19815

The burn point at which it decomposes 300 ° C. So a small margin between the melting and burning. But the biggest problem is the volatility, is that that after melting it refuses to become aerosol?

So, melting point is the temp at which a solid becomes liquid, think ice becoming water, it's just that different material, different temp.
Burning point, well, self explanatory, so not the same as boiling.
Boiling point is the temp at which a liquid becomes a gas, like water becoming vapour.

So Amphetamine Sulphate will become liquid at 280C, burn at 300C, and never become gas, that is why the data is not available.
Maybe you could vape Amphetamine Sulphate if you reduce the pressure enough, same as water boiling at less than 100C in high altitude.

Edit: Hodor beat me to it, I swear I did not see his post until posting this lol.

 

[Zonxx]

So, melting point is the temp at which a solid becomes liquid, think ice becoming water, it's just that different material, different temp.
Burning point, well, self explanatory, so not the same as boiling.
Boiling point is the temp at which a liquid becomes a gas, like water becoming vapour.

So Amphetamine Sulphate will become liquid at 280C, burn at 300C, and never become gas, that is why the data is not available.
Maybe you could vape Amphetamine Sulphate if you reduce the pressure enough, same as water boiling at less than 100C in high altitude.

Edit: Hodor beat me to it, I swear I did not see his post until posting this lol.

Ive tried it all but im waitin for some sulfuric acid to convert at some point, but yep, anyways ive been up for another 24 hours cheerio.

About to sublingual another 90mg totaling around 200-300 over the last 24-25 hours with around 1500 total pregabalin ( fave combo) so do gief me a break for seeing what happens trying to see if it was chasable, it actually somewhat is i see it melt like crack BUT then very quickly itll burn more or less :/ only tried with maybe 10mg so not much of a waste to see

 

[Phobos]

You don't need sulphuric acid, you would use that to make amphetamine sulphate from the freebase.
What you need is hydrochloric acid to make the HCl salt as that will vape before burning.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Maybe you could vape Amphetamine Sulphate if you reduce the pressure enough, same as water boiling at less than 100C in high altitude.

Like high pressure cooking but low pressure vaping. That seem's like a big hassle with low returns.

Well it was a learning read this thread. But really the OP should give up trying to 'base' his Amp's, and stick to oral/ anal or nasal, I think that should be clear by now. Zonxx

 

[emkee_reinvented]

So Amphetamine Sulphate will become liquid at 280C, burn at 300C, and never become gas, that is why the data is not available.

Do you know if there has been any publication's about the boiling point of Amphetamine Hcl or the Freebase, as I couldn't find it?

 

[Sertürner]

764.96°f at 760 mmhg

From a chem supplier site so I dont know if I can post the link.

 

[Zonxx]

Like high pressure cooking but low pressure vaping. That seem's like a big hassle with low returns.

Well it was a learning read this thread. But really the OP should give up trying to 'base' his Amp's, and stick to oral/ anal or nasal, I think that should be clear by now. Zonxx

Hah we be on to somthin =p but this thread is beyond interesting and FULL of shit to learn
The darn fatigue caught me and i slipped into a deep sleep coma and was woken up after an hour, 90 mg later i feel like its a new day hah.