Florida anti-pot leader says weed makes you gay, leads to AIDS (seriously)

It is metabolised to morphine (and one or two other things). It has essentially the same effects as morphine, and is used in medicine.
Maybe not in the United States, but certainly in other countries.
The UK, for example.
If you cannot see the hypocrisy in banning one opiate (that by historical chance became the black market opiate of widespread demonisation) yet using a whole variety of the same family of drugs - then I won't spell it out to you.

Amphetamine is another classic. Drugs are useful, get used to it or move on.

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Who are you quoting?
I'm not quoting anyone. It is a concept understood by people who question the aggressive way prohibition has been forced upon the people of the world, largely by American government administrations ideologically informed by the religious right.
If you think I'm making it up, try a google search for the keywords "drug prohibition christian pleasure sin".
 
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So having heroin as a schedule 1 substance is hypocritical because it is morphine?

How is heroin used as a medicine in the UK?
More than to treat heroin addiction I hope.
 
So having heroin as a schedule 1 substance is hypocritical because it is morphine?
Yes. Do you know what palliative care is? Understand the concept of alleviating the suffering of gravely ill people? Or people suffering chronic - or acute - pain? Morphine - and opiates in general - are indispensible in medicine.
How is heroin used as a medicine in the UK?
Diacetylmorphine is able to be prescribed to pain patients. Like hydromorphone, oxycodone, fentanyl or any number of potent narcotics are in the USA.
More than to treat heroin addiction I hope.
Why do you hope? Do you have a professional interest in this, or are you merely judgemental and callous?
 
So having heroin as a schedule 1 substance is hypocritical because it is morphine?

IIRC, it's morphine which is synthesized to bind to mu-opioid receptors faster.

How is heroin used as a medicine in the UK?
More than to treat heroin addiction I hope.

AFAIK, it's also used to treat severe pain due to a terminal illness, but they call it diacetylmorphine (or diamorphine) rather than heroin.

It may also be used in rare situations for severe chronic pain due to a non-terminal illness where conventional opioid analgesics have been ineffective.

Just like prescription methamphetamine in the US, prescription heroin in the UK is not something that's widely discussed in the media due to the stigma associated with either drug nowadays.
 
IIRC, it's morphine which is synthesized to bind to mu-opioid receptors faster.
I believe it crosses the blood brain barrier faster and - anecdotally, at least - seems to be gentler on patients in terms of histamine reactions and other side effects.

Now, this is going way off topic - but to relate it back to the topic of medicinal cannabis -

Carlton Turner and Herbert Goldstein: Research doesn't support use of medical marijuana
by Carlton Turner and Herbert Goldstein | April 18, 2013

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THC is the one chemical that most people associate with marijuana. It is an intoxicant with some medical properties. Marijuana is not just THC. Pure THC is a prescribed medication that has passed rigid Food and Drug Administration requirements to protect public health; whereas, marijuana will never pass any approval process.
Misleading hyperbole quoted in bold. I suppose all of the THC mimicking drugs synthesised - then abandoned - by the pharmaceutical industry had nothing to do with the medicinal qualities of cannabis, then?

This whole thing is political - a historical, racially motivated social wedge used to marginalise and stigmatise communities that cannot be easily erased from social programming after several generations worth of propaganda.
Western scientific and medical consensus is beginning to catch up with what a lot of cultures have known for millennia; cannabis is an incredibly beneficial herb, with medicinal, nutritional, recreational and industrial value.
This Carlton Turner is a product of an apalling political era that is still causing a great deal of social problems; a period of sociopolitical history we need to consign to the past.
 
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slimvictor said:
I think of sexuality as a continuum, and therefore that few people are 100% straight or 100% homosexual, but that most repress or hide some portion in order to appear to be 100% in order to fit in.
Totally agree. By the way.
 
I get tired of reading the same flood of related material everytime.
Oh you poor thing. It must be really exhausting having such a contrarian disposition on a harm reduction forum.

There, there. We'll just agree with your passive aggressive posts next time if it will make you feel better, ok?
 
neversickanymore said:
hy·poc·ri·sy

You seem to have the foggiest notion of what this word means.


Turner "once stated that marijuana ‘leads to homosexuality…and therefore to AIDS.’ This statement is as offensive as it is inaccurate and should call into question any claim made by Mr. Turner in the course of this campaign.

There is no place for bigotry and ignorance in the debate over compassionate medical marijuana policy in Florida.”

United for Care provides a statement that is both not accurate, it is not even the same quote originally printed in Newsweek, and ignorant, because Mr. Turner corrected the context of the real quote a few weeks following the publication.

United for Care should have done a bit of research and would have if that had been their practice all along.

Following United for Care's own vicious logic, all their pro-marijuana claims should be called into question, which they already are (hence the "debate") and, according to them at least, they have no place in these debates, which unfortunately already occurred.

That is hypocrisy.

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Which is why I take the time to thoughtfully respond to your inane questions.

How old are you?
Twice your age.

Spacejunk, you said it was hypocritical to leave marijuana a Schedule I drug because nobody was trying to make morphine illegal. GRANTED.

Heroin is Schedule I. Do you think you are informing me that heroin IS morphine? That was MY point in the first place.

You mistake me for an idiot.
 
No, I mistake you for a troll...I mean, a genuine contributor to constructive discussion and harm reduction.
Thank you for acknowledging a point I made in this discussion.
If you really are twice my age...have you not got better ways to spend your time, given an apparent antipathy towards drug users?
I mean, bluelight has specific positive social objectives in helping vulnerable people gain access to safety information that - in the days of the "just say no" crowd - was impossible to find; pragmatic drug education.

I don't see the hypocrisy in holding a man accountable to his words - and life's work - in demonising various groups in society, such as the LGBT community and drug users.
Anyone can claim they were misquoted, but his bias on the issue - and misleading, dishonest public statements paint a pretty clear picture of the guy.
Either way, I recommend cannabis. It's good medicine.
 
Most heroin turns into 6-monoacetylmorphine in the blood in seconds, which has the greater effect on opioid receptors. A little turns back into morphine.

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I think that you saying "I don't think you listen or think about anything" to someone when you do neither ever fits the bill of a hypocrite nicely pmose.

(1) A person who engages in the same behaviors he condemns others for.
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Twice your age.

"You can't teach an old dog new tricks." - Definitely seems to apply in your case. Not that I'm suggesting you're a dog of any kind.

Spacejunk, you said it was hypocritical to leave marijuana a Schedule I drug because nobody was trying to make morphine illegal. GRANTED.

Heroin is Schedule I. Do you think you are informing me that heroin IS morphine? That was MY point in the first place.

See, that's one the sad things about human susceptibility to propaganda.

In reality, diacetylmorphine ("Heroin") is not all that different from morphine - other than the fact that it has an acetyl molecule attached to it, thus, making it easier to cross the blood-brain barrier, resulting in a quicker onset of effects.

Ironically, diacetylmorphine was initially marketed by Bayer - the makers of Aspirin - as a cure for morphine dependency and/or addiction, as well as a cough suppressant, antidiarrheal, and of course an analgesic. And once it was found that acetylated morphine was even more desirable than good ol' "regular" morphine, well, it became quite vilified.

Over time, as more and more people began resorting to heroin use in order to numb their pains, certain bureaucrats saw an opportunity to blame them for the rampant crime rates affecting America. And this is why today diacetylmorphine is such a stigmatized drug. Realistically, pure heroin carries very similar risks as morphine and other potent Rx opioids used in western medicine.

By far, the biggest safety issue with the use of any opioid drug is that it depresses a person's breathing to a certain extent based on the amount used + tolerance to the opioid drug family. And if that wasn't an issue, heroin would carry only the risk of diseases being spread usually through the use of dirty needles. And if disease wasn't an issue, heroin would be as about as dangerous to a user as weed IMO.

You mistake me for an idiot.

I can't speak for other BLers, but I personally don't really know what to make of you, because there are times where your comments seem to come across as the words of a troll looking to be fed. And other times, you present your opinions in the form of a stubborn prohibitionist who thinks she's a guru on the topic of recreational drugs (illegal or otherwise) based on literature. But I can tell you that no amount of reading will substitute for an opinion based on personal experience. In fact, forming your opinions based on the words of another individual may (or may not) be incredibly misleading.

I used to be a prohibitionist myself, back when I was in my early to mid teens. I remember watching others smoking weed, and shooting up with heroin. And it would disgust me that these people behaved in such a manner, as if they had nothing better to do with their time and money.

Looking back to when I was extremely prejudiced against drug users, I cannot believe how ignorant, arrogant, and misguided I was regarding everything having to do with our hypocritical drug policies. Thank God that more and more people from all walks of life are beginning to catch on.

All I can say to the DEA and others who will eventually cease to be useful after the war on (the people who use) drugs ends is... I'm sure Wal-Mart is hiring security guards.
 
^ if said poster is truly twice my age, I'm impressed that it would even occur to someone in her twilight years to troll the world's largest Internet drug HR forum.
Impressed probably isn't the right word.
Bullshit, i think, is the expression I was looking for. That and extremely presumptuous.
To make a presumptuous statement of my own - most elderly folk I've met (a considerable amount, believe you me) are courteous and polite, even if they think you're an asshole.
Also, very few old-timers I know would waste their time reading infantile shit such as that which is posted on the aforementioned "drugs-forum". Not that I am in any way knocking people "twice my age" or suggesting they are not welcome on bluelight.
I really only asked her how old she is because I was thinking she was conceivably half my age (which i still would not discount).
Funny how these things work; age means very little to me - I have friends in their early teens all the way through to their 70s and 80s.
"Age" and "maturity" don't always match our expectations - but I would assume that anybody taking Carlton Turner's views on drugs and sexuality seriously is either so young - or so old - as to not know any better. Perhaps that is a little judgemental on my part...
Either way; don't forget to take yer pills, Grandma.
 
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