Florida anti-pot leader says weed makes you gay, leads to AIDS (seriously)

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Thursday, May 1, 2014 at 8:20 am - The state of Florida continues to edge closer to passing some sort of reasonable medical marijuana legislation, but not everyone in the state is happy about it. We have been reporting on the totally predictable knee-jerk opposition from the state sheriff's association, but as the Florida state legislature is beginning to make moves to legitimize the plant for medical needs, anti-cannabis groups have decided to enter the political arena as well.

Drug Free Florida is an anti-marijuana group whose sole purpose is to oppose, and eventually defeat, the amendment scheduled for a vote this November to legalize medical marijuana in the state. Funded by a 6-digit donation from Mel Sembler (a local land developer, former U.S. Ambassador to Italy and Australia, and long-time money bundler for the Republican Party), the group's ties to the GOP do not end there.

The head of the fledgling group of prohibitionists is a man named Carlton Turner, a 73-year-old creep who holds the dishonorable distinction of serving as a drug czar in the mid-80's for then-President Ronald Reagan.

Word is, the iconic phrase "JUST SAY NO" was Turner's creation, and was then co-opted by first lady Nancy Reagan to launch the miserable failure that has been the War on Drugs.

It was also during his time with the Reagan administration that Carlton Turner gave an in-depth interview to Newsweek magazine about the dangers of marijuana, and the various gateways he claimed that pot use would lead to.

The very title of the article paints Carlton as the bigot he allegedly was at the time, "Reagan Aide: Pot Can Make You Gay."

That article, published over a quarter of a century ago, has come back to haunt Carlton, as the most outspoken pro-cannabis group in Florida has begun to wave it around for all to see, hoping that the blatant misinformation and bigotry expressed by Carlton in 1986 will work to sway voters at the polls in 2014.

"The newly formed Drug Free Florida committee has somehow managed to choose as its chairman a messenger with even less credibility than its message," read a press release put out by pro-pot group United for Care Organization. It continued, "There is no place for bigotry and ignorance in the debate over compassionate medical marijuana policy in Florida."

Summarizing their take on the 1986 Newsweek article, the group says that Turner "once stated that marijuana 'leads to homosexuality...and therefore to AIDS.' This statement is as offensive as it is inaccurate and should call into question any claim made by Mr. Turner in the course of this campaign."

In his defense, Turner says it's all a big misunderstanding, that the interview was botched and he was taken out of context, and that by pointing to it as evidence of any type of bigotry, his political opponents are simply showing that they have nothing else to work with.

To be fair, he is correct; he never directly stated that 'weed leads to homosexuality which then leads to AIDS'. Oh no, it's way more vile than that.

In the 1986 Newsweek interview, Turner talks about his time visiting with minors in drug treatment centers, and recalling that over 40% of them had allegedly engaged in homosexual activity.

He is, however, quoted directly saying about his theories on homosexuality that, "It seems to be something that follows along from their marijuana use ... My concern is, how is the biological system affected by heavy marijuana use? The public needs to be thinking about how drugs alter people's lifestyles."

He then goes on to talk about how smoking cannabis weakens the immune system (false) and implies how that can lead to AIDS.

Fast forward nearly 30 years, and Carlton Turner is scraping the bottom of the barrel of right-wing Conservative welfare, still opposing cannabis, and now trying to defend the woefully ignorant claims attributed to him about the subject from his past.

Find out what Reagen Administration Drug Czar Carlton Turners has to say about his mid-80s 'pot use leads to AIDS' claim.
 
Man, I can't believe I've been smoking for fifteen years never got aids or had sex with a man....hmmm kinda weird. Its almost like its complete bullshit lol
 
"... strong relationship between marijuana use and AIDS mortality." 9

9. Sidney S. Evidence of discrepant data regarding trends in marijuana use and supply. 1985-1988. J Psychoactive Drugs. 1990;22:319-324.

"... higher prevalence of marijuana use in homosexual and bisexual men," 18-20

18. Stall R, Wiley J. A comparison of alcohol and drug use patterns of homosexual and heterosexuality: the San Francisco Men's Health Study. "Drug Alcohol Depend." 1988; 22:63-73.

19. Skinner WF, Otis MD. "Drug Use among Lesbian and Gay People: Design, Insights, and Policy Issues from the Trilogy Project. In: Proceedings of the Research Symposium on Alcohol and Other Drug Problem Prevention among Lesbians and Gay Men. Sacramento, Calif.: California Dept of Alcohol and Drug Programs; October 1992: 34-60.

20. Ostrow DG. Substance use and HIV-transmitting behaviors among gay and bisexual men. In: Battjes RJ. Sloboda Z, Grace WC, eds. "The Context of HIV Risk among Drug Users and Their Sexual Partners. Rockville, Md. National Institute on Drug Abuse; 1994. NIDA Research Monograph 143.

source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/body/mortality.html

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Cannabinoids can cause increased susceptibility to cancer and infections. (Nagarkatti 2010)

What do you even say to a to a person with such ignorance. How is it that people like this end up in positions where they can cause such negative effects for so many people. Unbelievable.
What negative effect?
 
"... strong relationship between marijuana use and AIDS mortality." 9

9. Sidney S. Evidence of discrepant data regarding trends in marijuana use and supply. 1985-1988. J Psychoactive Drugs. 1990;22:319-324.

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Carlton Turners allegedly claimed that marijuana use leads to homosexuality, and therefore to AIDS.

What he did not claim was that a person who is suffering from AIDS has a greater chance of dying from an opportunistic infection due to the use of marijuana.

"... higher prevalence of marijuana use in homosexual and bisexual men," 18-20

18. Stall R, Wiley J. A comparison of alcohol and drug use patterns of homosexual and heterosexuality: the San Francisco Men's Health Study. "Drug Alcohol Depend." 1988; 22:63-73.

19. Skinner WF, Otis MD. "Drug Use among Lesbian and Gay People: Design, Insights, and Policy Issues from the Trilogy Project. In: Proceedings of the Research Symposium on Alcohol and Other Drug Problem Prevention among Lesbians and Gay Men. Sacramento, Calif.: California Dept of Alcohol and Drug Programs; October 1992: 34-60.

20. Ostrow DG. Substance use and HIV-transmitting behaviors among gay and bisexual men. In: Battjes RJ. Sloboda Z, Grace WC, eds. "The Context of HIV Risk among Drug Users and Their Sexual Partners. Rockville, Md. National Institute on Drug Abuse; 1994. NIDA Research Monograph 143.

source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/body/mortality.html

The LGBT community is a minority which - like our minority of street drug users - has been shunned by society, and continues to be. It is very logical to assume that many of them resort to the use of marijuana as a coping mechanism, in order to numb their pain, their fears, their distress. But you wouldn't understand that, would you?

How's Bill O'Reilly and the rest of Fox News doing? I'm guessing they're your source for biased entertainment news.
 
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Carlton Turners allegedly claimed that marijuana use leads to homosexuality, and therefore to AIDS.

What he did not claim was that a person who is suffering from AIDS has a greater chance of dying from an opportunistic infection due to the use of marijuana.
"He then goes on to talk about how smoking cannabis weakens the immune system (false) and implies how that can lead to AIDS." ... this article suggests that he did.

The LGBT community is a minority which - like our minority of street drug users - has been shunned by society, and continues to be. It is very logical to assume that many of them resort to the use of marijuana as a coping mechanism, in order to numb their pain, their fears, their distress. But you wouldn't understand that, would you?

How's Bill O'Reilly and the rest of Fox News doing? I'm guessing they're your source for biased entertainment news.
Everyone is a part of a minority - college educated - you can find someone to ridicule anything.

Do you watch Bill O'Reilly?
 
Your local gay bar is usually a great place to get drugs. Some gay people may be drowning their sorrow in the weed, but a lot of them are professionals with no kids to pay for and have lots of disposable income too. Lots of them are artists/waiters/fashion industry too where drug use is pretty much the norm. Guys use more drugs than gals so it would stand to reason that there would be lots of drugs in a male only community. My friends would use a shit ton more drugs if they didn't have their wives or girlfriends watching their bank balance. Nothing is going to make you gay. Good luck Florida on changing the law!
 
I guess I should start hanging around more women that smoke weed.
 
^ you're just not smoking enough.

;)
Hahaha


And yes man some of the gay dudes I used to deal to always had awesome connecs for great quality shit. I never really got down with ice but some of those dudes moved like a hundred grams at a time and it looked like broken glass. Was supposed to be the best twack ppl had ever tried. But k, Molly, coke, the gay dudes had some of the better products.
 
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"He then goes on to talk about how smoking cannabis weakens the immune system (false) and implies how that can lead to AIDS." ... this article suggests that he did.

AIDS mortality (the chances of dying from an opportunistic infection due to AIDS) is not the same as the amount of time it takes an HIV positive pothead to progress to full blown AIDS.

Everyone is a part of a minority - college educated - you can find someone to ridicule anything.

And yet: "Almost always, the creative dedicated minority has made the world better." - MLK

Do you watch Bill O'Reilly?

Only when Jon Stewart and/or Steven Colbert is there. Fun times!

Jon Stewart @ Bill O'Reilly said:
...Bullshit Moutain...
=D
 
AIDS mortality (the chances of dying from an opportunistic infection due to AIDS) is not the same as the amount of time it takes an HIV positive pothead to progress to full blown AIDS.
The loss of immunity (AIDS) and the infection are all part of the same progression.
 
So you can quote discredited propaganda studies, good for you pmoseman...

Gear up for the bullshit bluelighters, she is here prostituting herself for the status quo again.
 
So you can quote discredited propaganda studies, good for you pmoseman...

Gear up for the bullshit bluelighters, she is here prostituting herself for the status quo again.


Then discredit them. Obviously you've got all the facts.

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Here is something...

I have gotten neuroses from stressful acid trips that really fucked me and brainwashed me, like feeling really skin-sensitive with regard to for example bugs, after I experienced a trip where I was 'attacked' by a swarm of mosquitos. And there are more examples.
What I can say about that is that it has gotten better over time. I was able to get over those particular ones just with time and working on myself one step at a time.
Trips can accellerate developments, you can call it spiritual growth, but also other kinds of imprints that are basically like a form of brainwashing, including phobia like conditioning and other emotion-related negative thought pattern tendencies. Those developments can happen positively which is the goal with the right set and setting to get a more or less guided experience... it can also happen negatively.
Trying to accellerate it again after you have made some wrong turns makes it even less predictable where you will end up, the upside / promise of course is that you won't have to wait so long but the stakes are high and you have to get it right. The alternative is to just work on it naturally, which allows for much better steering.


I really like this quote. It is an amazing theory and it seems to fit with my experience, that certain drug use does make a person queer and it is all a bit out of your control.
 
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