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Heroin first time

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Please don't IV. Especially if it is tar.
Everyone has said it, and I'm sure you've got it in your head "Yeah, I want to IV not a big deal. I can handle it"

You are not a human if you can IV heroin and absolutely never want or crave it again both physically and psychologically.

It would be best to never even try potent opiates, for they will become your life.

Listen to Ayrios for solid advice; since I know you are going to go through with it anyways. Best of luck
 
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Why doesnt everyone stop telling her not to do it. If you read, the OP mind is already set on this. And we all know when your mind is set on something you are going to do it anyway. Ignoring their question on how much and telling them not to do it, will just make them want it more, and they will dive in and do way to fucking much, and a possible OD.
And since they are starting off with IV, there is a good chance they will get sick because they havent ever had that rush.
Try 10mg? But do it 5mg at a time, when you get that rush stop.

Ive never IVed H, I have a little more common sense and started with snorting before jumping head first in. But from my research and people I know telling me, when IV, start low and slow. Be ready to jump in with both feet also, because if you try to IV your first time with H, and you only have one foot it, there is a small chance youll run from it, but a even bigger chance you will get dragged in. So with both feet you at least know what your getting yourself into, so make the right choice.
I see no wrong in your wanting to try it, but next time think more about which route you are taking.
 
Schrei said:
Why doesnt everyone stop telling her not to do it. If you read, the OP mind is already set on this. And we all know when your mind is set on something you are going to do it anyway. Ignoring their question on how much and telling them not to do it, will just make them want it more, and they will dive in and do way to fucking much, and a possible OD.
And since they are starting off with IV, there is a good chance they will get sick because they havent ever had that rush.
Try 10mg? But do it 5mg at a time, when you get that rush stop.

Ive never IVed H, I have a little more common sense and started with snorting before jumping head first in. But from my research and people I know telling me, when IV, start low and slow. Be ready to jump in with both feet also, because if you try to IV your first time with H, and you only have one foot it, there is a small chance youll run from it, but a even bigger chance you will get dragged in. So with both feet you at least know what your getting yourself into, so make the right choice.
I see no wrong in your wanting to try it, but next time think more about which route you are taking.
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Some people are simply saying it's unwise/stupid in their opinion and suggesting nasal/smoking administration as an introduction prior to injecting, which is something OP hasn't expanded on the reasons of why she prefers IV for her first time.

Not 'everyone' as you say is catagorically telling her not to do it at all. Even you say yourself to her 'there is a big chance you'll get dragged in...make the right choice' whilst criticizing others for not providing her with purely information relating to first time dosage/tips.
 
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nowayman said:
Some people are simply saying it's unwise/stupid in their opinion and suggesting nasal/smoking administration as an introduction prior to injecting, which is something OP hasn't expanded on the reasons of why she prefers IV for her first time.

Not 'everyone' as you say is catagorically telling her not to do it at all. Even you say yourself to her 'there is a big chance you'll get dragged in...make the right choice' whilst criticizing others for not providing her with purely information relating to first time dosage/tips.
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Yes, I did say that, but also giving her somewhat of an answer she wants. Im not just saying not to do it, actually Im not at all telling her NOT to do it, because I know she more than likely will. Im just saying, "make that right choice" as in try nasal/smoking it first, wait then shoot a little, like someone else said.
Basically I wouldnt just start H with IV, I would try another administration first just so you would know slightly what to expect, as in get a feeling of the drug first. AGAIN, im not criticizing anyone. Just saying she can still IV the same day, but get a feel for it before hand. 8(
 
hayleyescape said:
Here is how I see it. I'm going to do it, whether one person or 20 people tell me otherwise. I've set my mind to it. Now don't you think it wise to tell me what you know about dosage, rather than I just do however much and something bad happen? I have said it multiple times, but trust me I do know what could happen, I have been looking into it for quite some time. My boyfriend has been doing it since about 2003. He hasn't given me full details, but he assures me he won't let me take too much, od or die. That doesn't mean I don't want to know specifically what I want to do.

Yes I understand that users and previous users will want to tell me what they experienced, what I'm getting myself into, etc... but it is my decision, I can make my own mistakes. So, please, withing knowing that I am aware of the cons, answer my question, and give me helpful advice for first time, not against!
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I already told you the 10 mg you mentioned before is a good idea. Perhaps you missed it in the noise.

You're going to do it, no one can convince you otherwise, so stop responding to them. 10 mg is a dose that won't provide a big rush, but assuming your dope is decent, it will be clear to you if it's something you think you'd enjoy too much in larger doses where the rush begins to really get nice. Do 10 mg, then make the decision only you can make regarding future use and if you think you can control it. Odds are you can't, but starting with a small dose rather than a big dose is much more likely to cause you to make a rational decision as to if you can handle the 'real deal' and keep it in check, or if it's time to walk away.

If your first shot is big and results in heaven on earth, you're probably going to become a serious user like your boyfriend who will enable you as long as you're together. Your boyfriend will probably want you to have a 'proper' experience right away, and it's your responsibility to make sure you only get a small taste of IV heroin and not a full-blown nodding experience.

Sorry about all the people urging you to abstain. Six, eight, ten years ago this was a community much more understanding of people like you who have made up their mind and only need the best advice regarding how they intend to go about their plan. Unfortunately, somewhere along the way harm reduction became harm elimination.
 
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Amount

After reading other posters suggestions of 10mg for your first dose I think my suggestion of 40mg may be too much.
I judged that amount by dividing a quarter (the amount I used to buy it in) by how many people took it; but as you probably know a dealers quarter doesn't necessarily weigh up.
Anyway, your unlikely to have scales that are accurate to the mg so you'll be measuring by sight. My first hit would have been around 2 matchstick heads in size. I remember I only needed 10 units (0.1ml) of water to dissolve it.

Also you get psychologically addicted before physical addiction sets in, so if you find yourself using more than once a month stop immediately. If you're making excuses to yourself so you can use, stop immediately.

Heroin releases unnaturally large amounts of dopamine into the brain which is why it feels so good but this is why it is virtually impossible for regular fun activities to compare and why people get addicted.

I completely understand wanting to try this drug considering its reputation but on the other hand considering its rep just stick to satisfying your curiosity and leave it at that. There are heaps of other more entertaining drugs that are much safer.

Please let us know how you go with it.....you could even write up a trip report ;-)
 
Ayrios said:
Do 10 mg, then make the decision only you can make regarding future use and if you think you can control it. Odds are you can't"

If your first shot is big and results in heaven on earth, you're probably going to become a serious user like your boyfriend who will enable you as long as you're together.

Your boyfriend will probably want you to have a 'proper' experience right away, and it's your responsibility to make sure you only get a small taste of IV heroin and not a full-blown nodding experience.

Sorry about all the people urging you to abstain. Six, eight, ten years ago this was a community much more understanding of people like you who have made up their mind and only need the best advice regarding how they intend to go about their plan. Unfortunately, somewhere along the way harm reduction became harm elimination.
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Again, there's an irony about stating opinions which clearly are aimed at expressing the near impossibility of being able to control usage of heroin at any level then criticizing the community and others for urging her to abstain which is what essentialy you are doing too.

I'm sure the 'community' would be more accomodating (which they are being fairly as it is) to her if:

1) she stated the reasons why she hasn't asked her boyfriend (who'll be assisting with the IV anyway and has 8 years of heroin experience) for the information.
2) she elaborated on her reasoning for wanting to make such a giant leap of drug usage with no stops at lighter insuffcation methods of heroin first.
3) we hadn't witnessed PERSONALLY the horrifying consequences of this drug.
 
Perhaps she hasn't asked her boyfriend because he's deeper into it (since 2003) and trusts a harm reduction forum to recommend a more reasonable first dose, one that is much less likely to cause her to fall in love at first shot. Her boyfriend probably wouldn't mind the two of them becoming heroin buddies, and how do you increase the odds of that happening? One big sexy shot with an amazing rush followed by a lovely nod. This is a harm reduction forum, she's definitely going to try it no matter what, and she's going to do it via IV no matter what. What can the community do in this circumstance to reduce her chances of becoming a junkie other than recommend a small dose that could make her reconsider going farther and becoming addicted? Nothing.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Do lots of reading about proper injection technique. Do a practice shot with sterile water first; you will likely miss it, unless you have well presenting veins and no anxiety about injecting.

ONLY use new needles, new cookers, new water, etc. every time. The Hep C virus can be transmitted via injection equipment, even if you don't share needles with other people.

Finally, be aware what the signs of missing a shot are, what the signs of hitting an artery are, what the signs of infection are, and this will go a long way.
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I thought you weren't supposed to just shoot water because of that hemolysis stuff. Or is that just bacteriostatic water?
 
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So no pharmaceuticals, straight to dope? There are many opiates that are just as or more enjoyable than H, not to mention safer esp. since you have no tolerance. Try a Percocet or Lortab or something. If you get the dose right, it will be much better to start. Dope esp. IV dope is the end of the opiate addiction road. If you insist on dope, don't shoot it, but if you do deliver that dose SLOWLY, it will still feel good. Keep some Narcan on hand.
 
That shot is going to have you so fucked up. I would definitely recommend snorting some first just so you can feel it at least first.
 
Schrei said:
Yes, I did say that, but also giving her somewhat of an answer she wants. Im not just saying not to do it, actually Im not at all telling her NOT to do it, because I know she more than likely will. Im just saying, "make that right choice" as in try nasal/smoking it first, wait then shoot a little, like someone else said.
Basically I wouldnt just start H with IV, I would try another administration first just so you would know slightly what to expect, as in get a feeling of the drug first. AGAIN, im not criticizing anyone. Just saying she can still IV the same day, but get a feel for it before hand. 8(
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Your absolutely right. Everyone preaching to her, when she specifically asked NOT to be preached to... She is only asking for advice; I snorted heroin my first time, and didn't even fucking feel it. I had to shoot it to even catch a buzz. I agree going from weed to IV heroin is ridiculous, but most likely she will be so fucking sick it will scare her away a while, or the shit will be such a low dose/ and weak, it won't give her that great rush that gets you hooked(but most likely it will)

As to your question, we simply cannot help you, as heroin potency varies to the point of being stupid. Technically, 100% diamorphine would simply be unsafe; as even just 10mg of morphine is equal to approximtely 80mg of hydrocodone. Heroin(diamorphine) is even more potent than morphine, so your essentially injecting 20 vicodin.

But guess what? It won't be pure, it never is.(otherwise, everyone with a "one gram a day habit" would actually be beyond help, since they'd be blowing through 2'000-3'000mg of oxy just to equal the heroin). My point here though is not to bag on how shitty most heroin is, but rather, to illustrate the point that we have no clue how potent it is, therefore we cannot tell you a starting dose, other than the fact that if it were 100% diamorphine, then 2.5mg would have you high as hell. So just start low, and SLOW, as you can always take more, but never,ever less.

Also, not to sound like a dick, but if your BF is a heroin veteran, he should have this taken care of. If not, you should question what your doing, though I won't dare preach to you, because I don't care and it isn't my place.

My only real advice is to ask the BF his dose, and then ask him how much oxycodone he has to take to get more or less equal effects. Post that here and we can extrapolate a rough estimate of potency, and an even rougher estimate of your dose, based on the conversion from shitty heroin-punk ass oxy!

Anyway, I wish you luck and have fun! Oh and don't die hahaha!!!

(seriously though, don't die)
 
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Thats why I told her to maybe shoot only 10mg and do half at a time wait and do the rest, because no one knows how pure/cut it is.


What was the 20 vicodins for? the 10mg of morphine or heroin comparison?


I would like to know the OPs experience she has after she tries this, and how she went about IVing. :)
 
^Both. You see, true 100% diamorphine is very, very potent, and just 2.5mg IV would be equal to 20 hydrocodone 5mg pills(IE: 20 Vicodin)

So that was my only point.
 
Ohh, ok. I have heard a lot of diff. comparisons, but mostly people try to compare H or morphine, never have had morphine I cant mentally compare it myself. But now know the 2.5mg of 100%pure is like 20 vics, I can see someone would be kicked off their ass if they were lucky to get some pure H. Which is highly unlikely, but still. Lol
 
Doug2113 said:
I thought you weren't supposed to just shoot water because of that hemolysis stuff. Or is that just bacteriostatic water?
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Just bacteriostatic water. :)

Please note for a first time heroin user, even if you are dead-set on IV use; please try another ROA first to test for purity. You don't want to IV heroin (for your first time, nonetheless), only to find out, it's so cut you can't feel it. I don't think I ever got 100% bunk material (though I don't use anymore) but I know some people who have. If you accidentally smoke or snort too much, you'll be able to gauge how to use less for an IV shot better than using a bunch IVing and potentially blacking out.

Please do not discourage others from other ROA's aside from IV use. It's always a smart idea to test for potency with a non IV route, for harm reduction's sake. Since they have never tried heroin, they may try it without IVing it, and love it without having to IV it. It isn't good harm reduction to tell people to only IV a drug, unless this drug cannot be used any other way (....propofol is the only one I can think of AFAIK? A lot of steroids have to be IM'd as well).
 
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Schrei said:
Why doesnt everyone stop telling her not to do it. If you read, the OP mind is already set on this. And we all know when your mind is set on something you are going to do it anyway. Ignoring their question on how much and telling them not to do it, will just make them want it more, and they will dive in and do way to fucking much, and a possible OD.
And since they are starting off with IV, there is a good chance they will get sick because they havent ever had that rush.
Try 10mg? But do it 5mg at a time, when you get that rush stop.

Ive never IVed H, I have a little more common sense and started with snorting before jumping head first in. But from my research and people I know telling me, when IV, start low and slow. Be ready to jump in with both feet also, because if you try to IV your first time with H, and you only have one foot it, there is a small chance youll run from it, but a even bigger chance you will get dragged in. So with both feet you at least know what your getting yourself into, so make the right choice.
I see no wrong in your wanting to try it, but next time think more about which route you are taking.
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thank you.
 
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