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films: Over-rated "Classics"

Re The Searchers:
As someone who doesn't like westerns at all, I thought the movie had some unintentional goofball appeal.("Ya' speak good American; who taught ya'?" is a favorite quote. :D )
 
L2R said:
fuck tambo, stop it man. you can't suck. stop sucking. don't suck so mcuh. why must you suck so!

oh i'm feeling so dissillusioned.
Sorry man... I just don't see the qualities that have turned the film into the critics' cliché, perpetual wet-dream.

I suppose I should try and watch it again.
 
Again, with Schindler's List, I think that people are failing to take into account how mindblowing the ACTING was.

IMO, that's as important to a film as any other single component, and Schindler's List had great acting in spades.

It was perhaps the best role of one of our generation's greatest actors, Ralph Fienes, and his was merely one of THREE fantastic performances in a major role in that film.

Some people here are mentioning Grease and Fast Times At Ridgemont High, which could have been 90 percent as good as they actually ended up being, even had those "classics" been acted by adept college undergraduate theatre majors, and are ignoring the impact that some of the greatest performances of some of greatest actors of all-time can have on truly superior films.

In.My.Opinion.
 
I'm going to go with the Searchers, and also Stagecoach. Stagecoach is meant to be one of the great films of the first half of the 20th century, inspiration for Kane, all that. I found it really boring and hard to watch.

Also Terrence Malick's films in general: Thin Red Line was OK, but really slow and didn't go anywhere much; The New World was just crap (not helped because I couldn't hear most of the dialogue, which was seemingly muffled as an artistic effect). I know he's probably a great film-maker, he just doesn't do anything for me at all.
 
i'm gonna have to throw "scarface" up there. i think this whole cult following is rediculous just because he was a drug dealer. not exactly a success story either, seeing as he dies at the end..
 
jpgrdnr said:
Network - Not really interesting. I watched it. Great cast. But a classic? Notsomuch... I think the China Syndrome is a better movie in terms of criticizing news media.

Network wasn't criticizing the media, Network was satirizing the media. Big difference. It wasn't even just the media. It was a brilliant social commentary that rings just as true today, if not more so, than the day it was made.

The movie was full of top-notch acting and dialogue.

If it old enough to be considered a "classic", then it sits easily in my top ten.
 
L O V E L I F E said:
Again, with Schindler's List, I think that people are failing to take into account how mindblowing the ACTING was.

IMO, that's as important to a film as any other single component, and Schindler's List had great acting in spades.

It was perhaps the best role of one of our generation's greatest actors, Ralph Fienes, and his was merely one of THREE fantastic performances in a major role in that film.
yeah, but for me, great acting in a movie isn't all i look for.
life is beautiful did the holocaust films much better than spielberg, IMNSHO


do we need so much angst? c'mon, we have enough! seriously, in the story of the girl in the red coat in schindlers list, she didn't even fucking really die in real life. but let's make everything as tragic as possibly, bc tears equal money dammit....and boom, a dead little girl.
gah.

gimme that annoying begnini any day over that yawn fest.

also....it would be one thing if they kept it moving at a better pace, but it couldn't keep my attention without sadness. that doesn't do it for me.
 
DarthMom said:
yeah, but for me, great acting in a movie isn't all i look for.
life is beautiful did the holocaust films much better than spielberg, IMNSHO

Well, obviously both pale in comparison to Hogan's Heroes.

"Hogaaaaaan!!!!!!"
 
Infinite Jest said:
Also Terrence Malick's films in general: Thin Red Line was OK, but really slow and didn't go anywhere much...
Took me three attempts to get through that one.

I'm still confused about the point it was trying to make. Or maybe, in a really pretentious way, that was the whole point of the film... to demonstrate the futility and pointlessness of war.

Or maybe it was just rubbish?
 
^^
I don't think he really had a "point". I really can't say, I've never read the book.

I saw that movie on opening night, it was a packed house. By the end of the film it was me, my friend, his sister and one other person left in the auditorium.

I was stunned. Flat out amazed. It was long... very long... and jaw-droppingly amazing...

It was also extremely deep and profound. It was the innermost thoughts and motivations of men on the very edge of humanity. In a time of Saving Private Ryan, The Thin Red Line showcased a completely opposite, yet just as harrowing look at the men who were fighting... on both sides... from the top down. Good and bad and everywhere in between.

Granted, it is a LONG movie that moves very slowly. Keep in mind that it is not an action movie. It's a movie that is supposed to make you think. To think you have to listen... REALLY listen, to what the characters are thinking. Then imagine all the amazingly beautiful photography in that movie... with a war going on all around it.

It's kind of funny... but I actually appreciate this movie a lot more when I am stoned. REALLY stoned.
 
The Deer Hunter - Its long and not really De Niro's best role. Walken was pretty good. And not the best Vietnam flick by far.

Yer WOT?

THe Deer Hunter was amazing, though I admit they could merrily have chopped half an hour out of the middle of it.
 
UnfortunateSquid said:
Yer WOT?

THe Deer Hunter was amazing, though I admit they could merrily have chopped half an hour out of the middle of it.

more like a full hour ... not saying its a bad movie but it drags alot.
 
sn0wburt0n said:
i'm gonna have to throw "scarface" up there. i think this whole cult following is rediculous just because he was a drug dealer. not exactly a success story either, seeing as he dies at the end..


The crappy 80's music that plays throughout messed with the mood of the movie, imo. Always made it harder for me to get into it.
 
Infinite Jest said:
Also Terrence Malick's films in general: Thin Red Line was OK, but really slow and didn't go anywhere much;

war isn't just fighting. i really dug ttrl cuz it put me into the tense patience of ww2.

The New World was just crap (not helped because I couldn't hear most of the dialogue, which was seemingly muffled as an artistic effect).

he did that on PURPOSE?! what a prick?! i had to watch it with subtitles on.
 
^
I'm not 100% sure it was on purpose, but I was watching in a theatre with a brand new sound system, and I could hear fuck all. So if it was accidental, he's an idiot...

I see your argument on TTRL, and I realise it's probably a film that I *should* like - it's just personal preference, I can't get into his stuff.
 
yeah that's cool. many classics i can't enjoy unless i'm in the right mood. shit, i didn't like scarface the first few viewings. and until i saw it on the big screen.
 
ego_loss said:
Surely you can't be serious. Russel Crowe wasn't really anything to write home about, but Guy Pearce and Kim Bassinger... even James Cromwell and David Strathairn pulled out great performances. The character arc for Pearce's Ed Exley was great, and Kevin Spacey freaking NAILED Vincennes. I think you need to watch that movie again. If it weren't for Titanic, I think LA Confidential would have swept the oscars that year.

Speaking of which, I think Titanic is one of the single most over rated films ever made. You wanna talk about cliches, that's all that movie is... wrapped in some fancy special effects.

Cook me a steak dinner and we'll talk. Otherwise, I'm not going to rent it out of Blockbuster any time soon. ;)
 
I'll probably get flamed for this but 2001: A Space Odyssey is really the basis with which I compare all drawn out, overly slow paced, and exceedingly dull films too. Perhaps I can't see the Genius is Kubrick then again I've only seen 2001 and A Clockwork Orange both of which I didn't enjoy.
 
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