Feminism

[Benefit]

What does this word today mean to you? (open to both genders)

A feminist is a woman who needs to either a. get fucked a hell of a lot more or b. quit beating around the bush and get a sex change.

Why do you think (apart from above) it comes with neagtive images?

Feminists are straight up bitches who have a burning hatred for anything fun.

Do you think there is a need for feminism?

There is about as much need for feminism as there is for anthrax. This statement is actually quite unfair to anthrax.

Are women "equal" with men in society?

God no. Men have a lot of evolved biological advantages which bleed through into all aspects of society. I would elaborate on this but I fear my intellect would be wasted on you.

Is there a gender reversal? i.e women have MORE rights then men today and have it easier because men feel they have been "over powered" by the women's movement?

Women will like what I tell them to like.

 

[mugen]

Pfft, I hate people that hide their obvious inner angst and hate for life in technicalities related to a specific argument. Poor form.

die in a fire

why do i even keep responding *shakes head*

 

[katmeow]

Children, enough with the insults, or I'll break out the big editing stick on your arses

 

[doofqueen]

You are an idiot and so is your lecturer. A father has precisely the same interest in ensuring the propagation of his progeny as a woman. Fucking arts students and your a priori bullshit, can't you at least pay some scant regard to science once in a while?

I didn't say that dads didn't care. omg i'm sick of my words being twisted. I didn't make this shit up. Do some reaserch and you will find that WOMEN for many reasons were the first ones to start environmentalism. It is FACT not opinion. I'm really not going to bother telling you why, especially when you seem to have the attitude you do because it would be like smashing my head against the wall. The rest of that post you made is not even worth responding to.

gee i was so pleased with the thoughtful responses this thread was getting too. Bummer it's turned out the way it did. That's bl for you though. Again thanks to the people who gave thoughtful and engaging responses without hurling out insults and biggoted statements. It's appreciated

 

[doofqueen]

^ it stands for "for the win". Its a catchphrase that is being terribly overused on BL recently for some odd reason.

and what does 'for the win' mean exactly? 8(

 

[lostpunk5545]

It means: For the win.

 

[doofqueen]

Using the statement as a definition when asking for the definition of the statement does not give me a definition of said statement. I obviously don't know what it means which is why i asked what it means. What am i trying to win? Is this a competition? I don't get what it's supposed to mean...

 

[lostpunk5545]

Well I've never heard it either but it's glaringly obvious and requires nothing more than looking at the dictionary definitions of the words involved.

People obviously use it as an egotistical (in a humourful way) qualifier to a post.

Like, I'm going for the win with this post. Like, my argument kicks arse. Or something.

And I agree with 1234 in that I equate myself with holding feminist views. My Year 11 English teacher totally changed my world view from being a chauvinistic little shit into something much more rational on the issue (and she was hot too ).

There's a difference between sexism and sexuality. I had different desires prior to my role remodelling.

- Propagandhi, Refusing to be a man

 

[mymymymysharona]

(and she was hot too ).

^^ LOL FTW

 

[doofqueen]

And I agree with 1234 in that I equate myself with holding feminist views. My Year 11 English teacher totally changed my world view from being a chauvinistic little shit into something much more rational on the issue

good to see

and on the FTW thing - It wasn't galringly obvious to me hense why i asked. As i always say "assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups" so instead of being proud and pretending what the hell it meant (like so many people do when it comes to practically anything) I will actually admit i don't know and ask

over and out

 

[mugen]

I didn't say that dads didn't care. omg i'm sick of my words being twisted. I didn't make this shit up. Do some reaserch and you will find that WOMEN for many reasons were the first ones to start environmentalism. It is FACT not opinion. I'm really not going to bother telling you why, especially when you seem to have the attitude you do because it would be like smashing my head against the wall. The rest of that post you made is not even worth responding to.

gee i was so pleased with the thoughtful responses this thread was getting too. Bummer it's turned out the way it did. That's bl for you though. Again thanks to the people who gave thoughtful and engaging responses without hurling out insults and biggoted statements. It's appreciated

i thought that you had stated the fact, namely that women began the environmental movement, and then given your reason, or the posited reason, rather than the reason as stated by those women. mea culpa.

good luck trying to argue with the rest though. 'smashing your head against a wall'? yeah i guess that is kinda what it must feel like when you have to apply reason to axioms or baseless assertions, instead of simply stating 'but i DESERRRRRVE free money and a secure job while i raise offspring' as though it is an immutable and incontrovertible law of the universe. of course you're never going to convince me because i don't start with about a billion bullshit assumptions like you, and your assumptions are irrational ones, so you won't be able to justify them sufficient to have me ever agree

 

[Innocuous]

I think this is off topic, but since its getting such a hot going over...

Are women "equal" with men in society? yes i think so. In most things but not all. Women should have more rights when it comes to childcare and maternity leave and so forth. They should be able to be 'allowed' to raise a family and take time off when new children come into their lives and know that when they want to return to work their job is secure

Fuck off. The fact that a career and child-rearing are exclusive or impractical alternatives (and that you would therefore rather not have to make an unappealing choice between the two) does not mean that business and the rest of society should have to pay so that you can goddamn self-indulgently avoid the choice and do both at the expense of business and society. Until such time that I am 'allowed' to 'take a year off and sail around the Mediterranean on a yacht' knowing that when I return my job is secure, your claim is utter bullshit.

Mugen, Doofqueen, please! People have children, half of those people are women, the other half are men. This has jack all to do with feminism; the right of all people regardless of gender to equal treatment.

Unless you want to say that men are not capable of parenting? No? Funny that.

Access to childcare and sufficient parental leave (both maternal and paternal.) are very important issues, but apart from the leave granted during late pregnancy and birth these are issues that are not exclusive to women. I know plenty of men who 'juggle' a career and fatherhood, perhaps women need to stop allowing their partners to load them up with all the parental work so they too can easily 'juggle' both motherhood and their career.

Doofqueen, I thought better of you then to make such old fashioned presumptions about the delegation of care.


Mugden, reproduction is not a choice I'm interested in either, but it is in both the interests of business and society that people have kids and are not placed in an inoperable situation by doing so.

yeah i guess that is kinda what it must feel like when you have to apply reason to axioms or baseless assertions, instead of simply stating 'but i DESERRRRRVE free money and a secure job while i raise offspring' as though it is an immutable and incontrovertible law of the universe.

You've put this in a pretty inflammatory and er.. limited way, but I can see where you might come from... the presumption that bearing offspring immediately makes someone deserving of social welfare is a little concerning, having kids is often something one has control of and if you are not in a position to be able to support children I feel it is irresponsible and indeed selfish to bring them into the world. Doubtless there are exceptions, but I'd be hard pressed to buy many of them.

Unfortunately I think you kill your argument by also attacking a parents right to a secure job. People (men and women) DO have children, in fact, pretty much everyone will eventually have the little screamers, its in our best interests that that does not completely and quite often permanently exclude them from the workforce. By the time people reproduce they are generally skilled, experienced and employed, enabling them to stay in the workforce makes good business sense, losing them does not. I can't belive you would argue otherwise. On what economic grounds do you work this argument?

 

[endlesseulogy]

i thought that you had stated the fact, namely that women began the environmental movement, and then given your reason, or the posited reason, rather than the reason as stated by those women. mea culpa.

good luck trying to argue with the rest though. 'smashing your head against a wall'? yeah i guess that is kinda what it must feel like when you have to apply reason to axioms or baseless assertions, instead of simply stating 'but i DESERRRRRVE free money and a secure job while i raise offspring' as though it is an immutable and incontrovertible law of the universe. of course you're never going to convince me because i don't start with about a billion bullshit assumptions like you, and your assumptions are irrational ones, so you won't be able to justify them sufficient to have me ever agree

*edit* if you're not addressing the argument, don't post
-kat

 

[mugen]

Unfortunately I think you kill your argument by also attacking a parents right to a secure job. People (men and women) DO have children, in fact, pretty much everyone will eventually have the little screamers, its in our best interests that that does not completely and quite often permanently exclude them from the workforce. By the time people reproduce they are generally skilled, experienced and employed, enabling them to stay in the workforce makes good business sense, losing them does not. I can't belive you would argue otherwise. On what economic grounds do you work this argument?

An unearned right is a very different thing to achieving job security by being sufficiently valuable to an employer such that it is in both parties' interests to guarantee the individual a job upon return.

I did not say that it will always be the case that individuals will not be that valuable; but I would expect that in the vast majority of cases it will be. Employees are almost always replaceable. It takes special apitude or knowledge to render an individual so irreplaceable as to justify incurring the costs associated with their job security.

As for 'good business sense': an individual employer is not concerned with more than the things I spoke to in the previous paragraph. An individual employer, generally speaking, has absolutely no concern for the general health of the workforce, unless labour is particularly scarce relative to the demands of the employer. If I need 50 employees and the labour pool available is 3,000,000, it matters little to me whether that pool is 3,000,000 or 1,500,000 through the loss of every woman working in it.

 

[mugen]

*edit* related to earlier edited post - feel free to carry on the discussion without insulting each other
-kat

 

[gher]

I'm with Innocuous on this one and you two are taking this argument too far. I'm not saying your beliefs are out of line, but this is one topic that is too emotionally charged for rational argument to take place.

One question Mugen, do you support the current industrial reforms?

 

[breakyaself]

MEN AND WOMEN ARE NOT EQUAL.

get with the program laddies, and get yer tits out !

 

[endlesseulogy]

*edit* off topic & personal attacks
-kat

 

[zephyr]

*standing ovation* for EE! lmfao!

MEN AND WOMEN ARE NOT EQUAL.

get with the program laddies, and get yer tits out !

hehe- Breakyaself, +1, except for the glaring typo.

 

[mugen]

One question Mugen, do you support the current industrial reforms?

Yes, in a broad and little-considered sense. I spent 3 years learning why that answer should be given. What can you say to support your opinion?


*edit* relates to earlier edited post


As for 'sufficient answer': I was speaking of entitlements for women who give birth. How many muslim countries can you name which oppress their women such as to force pregnancy, and then, ever-so-generously, give them maternity leave? If you find that the answer is 'none', then guess what genius: it is because I was saying nothing about muslim countries, and nothing about other than maternity leave in first-world countries.

It wasn't merely out of context; you completely invented an argument and ascribed it to me.


*edit* removed personal attack