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mugen said:
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As for 'sufficient answer': I was speaking of entitlements for women who give birth. How many muslim countries can you name which oppress their women such as to force pregnancy, and then, ever-so-generously, give them maternity leave? If you find that the answer is 'none', then guess what genius: it is because I was saying nothing about muslim countries, and nothing about other than maternity leave in first-world countries.

It wasn't merely out of context; you completely invented an argument and ascribed it to me.
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But seriously, the topic of this thread is "feminism". Sounds quite general to me. I see no fore-mentioned "argument". If you bothered to actually think about what I was saying, I was using muslim contries as an example - a motivation maybe? for further, wider thought on this topic.

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Mugen: Relax... we've all noticed you've got a high IQ. Arrogant attempts at meticulously pointing it out really don't make you look very smart!

You're starting to remind me of KB's online persona. :D
 
breakyaself said:
MEN AND WOMEN ARE NOT EQUAL.
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(disclaimer: if you were being sarcastic, ignore all of the following)

I disagree. Men and women are by no means the same, but I totally think we are equal. We obviously have different strengths and weaknesses generally, but in situations where those strengths and weaknesses don't come into play, I don't see why there should be discrimination one way or the other.
 
Wow, that's some heavy editing there! Looks like this thread has expended its rationality, as threads on topics such as this generally do.

Mugen: I merely ask in light of what you said about what employers are concerned about with their employees. I just wanted to know what else you believe in and see where you're coming from with your arguments.
 
this conversation is mostly pointless. Males and females will never agree on anything on a large scale(many men, many women) its stupid.
 
Feminism, like communism and every other -ism, works really well in theory, but the practice is corrupted by too many private agendas.

Also, saying that you are 'proud to be female' marks you, in my opinion, as someone who hasn't explored their own belief system fully. Tell me, are you 'proud' to be white? 'Proud' to be bisexual? Well, I mean, I guess I can see why you'd be proud, after all, you really had to earn that one, didn't you?

Its like if I said "I am proud to be tall". Yeah, my genetics kick ass, man.

Pride parades are stupid.
 
Fallen1 said:
Feminism, like communism and every other -ism, works really well in theory, but the practice is corrupted by too many private agendas.

Also, saying that you are 'proud to be female' marks you, in my opinion, as someone who hasn't explored their own belief system fully. Tell me, are you 'proud' to be white? 'Proud' to be bisexual? Well, I mean, I guess I can see why you'd be proud, after all, you really had to earn that one, didn't you?

Its like if I said "I am proud to be tall". Yeah, my genetics kick ass, man.

Pride parades are stupid.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with someone saying they're 'proud' to be who they are, particularly if the group they're identifying with have been considered inferior in the past (either by society or simply in the their own opinion).

It's not about earning anything, it's about acceptance I guess. I do agree someone saying they're 'proud' to be female isn't as relevant today as it would have been 50 or so years ago though.
 
Feminism, like communism and every other -ism, works really well in theory, but the practice is corrupted by too many private agendas.
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Slightly off topic - but it's a wonder Democracy dosnt end in ism.

Feminism or feminist is are just words to describe people who push for the rights of women. Of course it's corrupted - but no more then any other humanitarian or political lobby group.
 
Fallen1 said:
Feminism, like communism and every other -ism, works really well in theory, but the practice is corrupted by too many private agendas.

Also, saying that you are 'proud to be female' marks you, in my opinion, as someone who hasn't explored their own belief system fully. Tell me, are you 'proud' to be white? 'Proud' to be bisexual? Well, I mean, I guess I can see why you'd be proud, after all, you really had to earn that one, didn't you?

Its like if I said "I am proud to be tall". Yeah, my genetics kick ass, man.

Pride parades are stupid.
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I kind of see where you're coming from with this, and agree with it to an extent - I think too many people have a slanted idea of what pride actually means. Why would you be proud to be a woman? It's something that (for biological women at least) was out of your control...on the other hand, I can understand being proud to identify with strong women as opposed to say docile man-pleasing servants...

Pride parades aren't necessarily stupid, I think that people need to really think about what they're proud of in the first place though before they march in them...
 
lostpunk5545 said:
I'm proud to be a 1950s housewife.
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just for you ;)

1. Have dinner ready: Plan ahead, even the night before, to have a delicious meal - on time. This is a way of letting him know that you have been thinking about him, and are concerned about his needs. Most men are hungry when they come home and the prospects of a good meal are part of the warm welcome needed.

2. Prepare yourself: Take 15 minutes to rest so you will be refreshed when he arrives. Touch up your makeup, put a ribbon in your hair and be fresh looking. He has just been with a lot of work-weary people. Be a little gay and a little more interesting. His boring day may need a lift.

3. Clear away the clutter. Make one last trip through the main part of the house just before your husband arrives, gathering up school books, toys, paper, etc. Then run a dust cloth over the tables. Your husband will feel he has reached a haven of rest and order, and it will give you a lift, too.

4. Prepare the children: Take a few minutes to wash the children's hands and faces if they are small, comb their hair, and if necessary, change their clothes. They are little treasures and he would like to see them playing the part.

5. Minimize the noise: At the time of his arrival, eliminate all noise of washer, dryer, dishwasher or vacuum. Try to encourage the children to be quiet. Be happy to see him. Greet him with a warm smile and be glad to see him.

6. Some Don'ts: Don't greet him with problems or complaints. Don't complain if he's late for dinner. Count this as minor compared with what he might have gone through that day.

7. Make him comfortable: Have him lean back in a comfortable chair or suggest he lie down in the bedroom. Have a cool or warm drink ready for him. Arrange his pillow and offer to take off his shoes. Speak in a low, soft, soothing and pleasant voice. Allow him to relax and unwind.

8. Listen to him: You may have a dozen things to tell him, but the moment of his arrival is not the time. Let him talk first.

9. Make the evening his: Never complain if he does not take you out to dinner or to other places of entertainment; instead, try to understand his world of strain and pressure, his need to be home and relax.

10. The goal: Try to make your home a place of peace and order where your husband can relax.

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I'm loving how this thread is going. I'm far too stoned right now to reply however. Carry on bluelight =D

I'm bummed I missed all the good shit that was edited though ;)
 
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