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Ethylphenidate Discussion Thread

^ Where is the evidence that it is toxic when produced via co-ingestion of methylphenidate and ethanol?

Lord knows I've experienced negative side effects, especially when this substance was smoked but I haven't seen anything stating that it is dangerous when produced via the metabolic route.
 
Hey people. I recently order 5grams of this stuff and had the chance to try it out numerous times. Not sure how to write up this report so I'll just use some dot point notes.

- First time, smoke out of meth pipe, very nasty taste, very confusin high, and terrible comedown. Didn't like it.
- Second time did lines, usually around 30mg, worst fucking burn but gets easier with the redoses.
- Found it far superior snorted compared to oral.
- Most people seem to use 25-75mg doses. I found my tolerance jump fast, 100mg lines are just okay.
- About the drug itself, I found that the high was actually pretty decent, very nice euphoria and decent stimulation, but it only feels really nice the first dose. Redosing wasnt as nice. Would get me stimulated again negative a little Euphoria everytime. Eventually, I'd just be confused.
- I think this shit recks havoc on your cardio and health. I play football regularly and when playing on the ethylphenidate I just wasnt able to breathe properly. I've played on meth no problems, this was fuckig horrible. Kept taking short little breathes when I needed HUGE ones. I ws seriously gasping for air and I'm a pretty fit motherfucker.
- Comedowns are shitty just like coke, infact its way more similar to coke then meth if I had to compare. During the comedown Im left confused, whatever it is Im doing doesnt seem the feel right, I get depressed and all Im thinking is, one more line might be the answer. And that cycle turns out to be the beginning of a massive binge.
- Had 75mg ethylphenidate with 150mg MDAI tonight and felt great until the comedown. Needed to keep retaking ethylphenidate to not feel like shit, yet I still felt like shit while high on the stuff.
- All in all, this shit works, but I feel its damaging my body worse than anything else I've tried only based on experience.
- Its the type of drug that I keep saying to myself, fuck this shit, I'll never use it again, only to find myself binging again a few days later.
- But its been exactly like this with most stims for me. Horrible comedowns were Im constanyl gasping for air like im about to have a panic attack.
Be safe and take care, Peace.

EDIT. yes as already mentioned, it don't last long. I was redosing every 45min. The crappy stimulation feeling was around for a few hours at most, but not the high itself. Without benzos, Id kill myself every-time I binge on stims.
 
I tried out 90 mg over 3 doses of 30 mg, oral twice and snorted once. Expected the snorting to be unpleasant from the posts, and it definitely was. Felt like snorting chilli powder that begins by irritating your nose and throat, and then slowly escalating to a painful sensation over the course of 30-40 seconds. Wasn't too bad, but wasn't great either.

I rarely use stims, only usually for academics so it felt like a nice mild rush for me. Stimulation was average, euphoria was subtle, overall prefer methylphenidate much more.

Edit: Noticed quite a bit of vasoconstriction, heart felt fine, no palpitations which was a relief. Felt a bit nauseated although that may be from dinner.

30 - 40 mg should be a nice supplement as a study aid. Didn't feel overly social, nor chattiness I'd get from dexies/amphetamines in general.
 
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Just insufflated 50mg, burns a fair bit but the pain goes away after a minute or two and is replaced with a numbing sensation. Very mild euphoria coming up, im sweating, grinding my teeth ever so slightly, feels remarkably similar to MDPV imo, makes me feel anxious in the same way as well which is primarily what I hated about PV so I dont think I will be using this one for studying or for recreational purposes, however perhaps my dosage was a bit too high, next time I will be trying 25mg nasally or perhaps consider dosing orally. Hope it doesn't pack much of a comedown or keep me awake too long, so far though this feels so similar to PV I would have great difficulty distinguishing 50mg of this and 8mg of PV, even has the effect of making porn even more appealing in the way PV does, gonna be up beating my meat instead of revising lol. Will report back with comedown, duration, sleeping problems etc when they are known :)
 
Looking forward to try this, getting a gram later today, can't wait :)

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I really like this one, got me a great high, but damn it's not fun to snort, it burns like hell, worse than mephedrone.
 
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Just insufflated 50mg, burns a fair bit but the pain goes away after a minute or two and is replaced with a numbing sensation. Very mild euphoria coming up, im sweating, grinding my teeth ever so slightly, feels remarkably similar to MDPV imo, makes me feel anxious in the same way as well which is primarily what I hated about PV so I dont think I will be using this one for studying or for recreational purposes, however perhaps my dosage was a bit too high, next time I will be trying 25mg nasally or perhaps consider dosing orally. Hope it doesn't pack much of a comedown or keep me awake too long, so far though this feels so similar to PV I would have great difficulty distinguishing 50mg of this and 8mg of PV, even has the effect of making porn even more appealing in the way PV does, gonna be up beating my meat instead of revising lol. Will report back with comedown, duration, sleeping problems etc when they are known
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Try 10mg, this dose is perfect for me. Take it orally.
 
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even has the effect of making porn even more appealing in the way PV does, gonna be up beating my meat instead of revising
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Haha! Couldn't have put it better myself! Glad I'm not the only one who has succumbed to the wank trap! That, amongst the other horrors PV is capable of is what put me off using it anymore, PV is intense and the rush from smoking it..................=D! But 4 lost days no sleep or food and an addiction to porn, fuck that anymore! (no pun intended!)
 
This is a strange substance for me. It's a love/hate thing for sure. The weird part though is that the hate outweighs the love significantly and yet I still go back for more every now and then. I find it extremely hard to stop dosing, and the more I dose the worse I feel. I've experienced this many times and said to myself that I wouldn't use it again because it's just not good for me... but after a week or a month away I'll suddenly get the urge to have a bit (which turns into a lot).

I envy people who get long lasting stimulation which is enjoyable from ethyl.

I get a very strong and euphoric intial rush (whether I snort or eat) which is very short lived. An hour or so. Then the experience turns quite suddenly and I feel anxious and worried that the good feeling is wearing off and I know that if I have more, I will compound the problem, but damned if I can resist redosing. The second dose was sometimes, but not always, bring back some of the good feelings, but basically every dose after that brings only increased physiological side-effects. I get increasingly jittery, sweaty, and unfocused. I'll feel shit and want it to end, but then, as if I've lost all self control and judgement, I'll find myself saying "do another line, and make it a really big one, and then you'll be more focused and ready to come down". Makes no sense, but I do it anyway.

The only good experiences I've had with ethyl were when I was already quite sedated on opiates and/or benzos, and then mixed a fairly small quantity (say 30-50mg) into a glass of water and sipped the water SLOWLY over a course of 30 minutes or more. The gradual onset seems much more manageable and results in a more gradual come down, whcih lessens the likelyhood of excessive redosing.

Anyway, that's my experience with ethyl. This is not a recommendation for how to use ethylphenidate. It's different for everyone and as with everything you need to start small and give it time before try more. Less is more with this one. LArge doses just get really physically uncomfortable and the side effects are fucking annoying: can't eat, can't sleep, can't relax or sit still.
 
Halif said:
This is a strange substance for me. It's a love/hate thing for sure. The weird part though is that the hate outweighs the love significantly and yet I still go back for more every now and then. I find it extremely hard to stop dosing, and the more I dose the worse I feel. I've experienced this many times and said to myself that I wouldn't use it again because it's just not good for me... but after a week or a month away I'll suddenly get the urge to have a bit (which turns into a lot).

I get a very strong and euphoric intial rush (whether I snort or eat) which is very short lived. An hour or so. Then the experience turns quite suddenly and I feel anxious and worried that the good feeling is wearing off and I know that if I have more, I will compound the problem, but damned if I can resist redosing. The second dose was sometimes, but not always, bring back some of the good feelings, but basically every dose after that brings only increased physiological side-effects. I get increasingly jittery, sweaty, and unfocused. I'll feel shit and want it to end, but then, as if I've lost all self control and judgement, I'll find myself saying "do another line, and make it a really big one, and then you'll be more focused and ready to come down". Makes no sense, but I do it anyway.
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That's what swim is like on this, and coke, after a while you're fucked but because you've been fucked for so long you think you're not fucked enough and do more, and you go from being confident and chatty to visibly munted and incoherent, towards the end of the night on this stuff (aprrox 400mg thus far over about 12 hours) swim was basically stuttering and forgetting what he was talking about mid sentence. I think swim, and possibly you, are looking for something that isn't there with this chem, it's not MDMA and it's not mephedrone (which is probably for the best in SWIM's case).

Great substance though, SWIM finds an initial line of 80mg (high I know but SWIM has tried coke, MDMA, mephedrone, and several shit RCs barely worth mentioning like MPA...) followed by smaller lines of around 50mg to be comparable to reasonable quality coke. One strange thing he's noticed is the initial half gram he bought wasn't that fine, or in his opinion (but not my lesser experienced friend who has only done oral MDMA), painful to snort, though it did have a nasty drip. The 2 grams his friend ordered from the same supplier the next daywere like this however, leading SWIM to think that it's been padded to save on costs, also the initial rush wasn't as intense leading SWIM to think it's been bashed. It was literally almost like SWIM was breathing it in rather than snorting it which made him cough, and he had the most terrible 'line dread' where you rack up a line and leave it for ages because doing it is such a chore. SWIM has yet to do it on a night out, but expects if you had good self control unlike him it would be ideal alongside a few beers and a nice confidence boost, without the horrible feeling of waking up and realising you've blown £60+ in a night like on coke. Also the need to redose is initially quite low (line frequency increases as the night goes on and the effects wear off, for SWIM anyway), the first 80mg line had SWIM buzzing for about 2 and a half hours, though it was a bit overpowering for him, a lower dose might be advisable if going out. Sleep is also impossible on this chem, which is odd given SWIM can usually sleep a few hours after the last line of coke.

All in all the best research chem since mephedrone (swim doesn't like MXE, prefers social drugs) but a very different high. I expect the ACMD to be all over this once the Daily Mail inevitably tie it to a middle class kids death who'd probably just taken a speedball as well or something.
 
Halif said:
This is a strange substance for me. It's a love/hate thing for sure. The weird part though is that the hate outweighs the love significantly and yet I still go back for more every now and then. I find it extremely hard to stop dosing, and the more I dose the worse I feel. I've experienced this many times and said to myself that I wouldn't use it again because it's just not good for me... but after a week or a month away I'll suddenly get the urge to have a bit (which turns into a lot).

I envy people who get long lasting stimulation which is enjoyable from ethyl.

I get a very strong and euphoric intial rush (whether I snort or eat) which is very short lived. An hour or so. Then the experience turns quite suddenly and I feel anxious and worried that the good feeling is wearing off and I know that if I have more, I will compound the problem, but damned if I can resist redosing. The second dose was sometimes, but not always, bring back some of the good feelings, but basically every dose after that brings only increased physiological side-effects. I get increasingly jittery, sweaty, and unfocused. I'll feel shit and want it to end, but then, as if I've lost all self control and judgement, I'll find myself saying "do another line, and make it a really big one, and then you'll be more focused and ready to come down". Makes no sense, but I do it anyway.

The only good experiences I've had with ethyl were when I was already quite sedated on opiates and/or benzos, and then mixed a fairly small quantity (say 30-50mg) into a glass of water and sipped the water SLOWLY over a course of 30 minutes or more. The gradual onset seems much more manageable and results in a more gradual come down, whcih lessens the likelyhood of excessive redosing.

Anyway, that's my experience with ethyl. This is not a recommendation for how to use ethylphenidate. It's different for everyone and as with everything you need to start small and give it time before try more. Less is more with this one. LArge doses just get really physically uncomfortable and the side effects are fucking annoying: can't eat, can't sleep, can't relax or sit still.
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Got it in one there mate, exactly how I would describe it. Its the unbearable shitness after that short lived euphoric goodness that forces you to re-dose to try and bring that back into balance. The first dose is always the best for good effects, the re-doses bring some of that back but as you do more and more the negatives increase with it and can leave you reaching for the benzos.
 
It was awesome last night with lots of alcohol. I don't know if I'd like this with no downers present, after the first dose. I just sniffed 10mg as soon as I got up, it felt like moderate coke. I was just lying in bed staring at the ceiling feeling arrogant and uncaring about everything. Orally is much more productive.
 
Is taking benzos, alcohol and ethyl at the same time dangerous on the heart, because of the constant up-down-up-down it may have on it?
 
lynx2051 said:
Is taking benzos, alcohol and ethyl at the same time dangerous on the heart, because of the constant up-down-up-down it may have on it?
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To be honest swim doesn't find the comedown that bad, especially if you downsize the size of your lines. There was like an hour of 'I've run out, this is going to be brutal' dread and crinkling out all the baggies to get 1 bump more then once he accepted it was over and came down he was fine. Saying that the only really bad comedown SWIM has ever had was methylone&mephedrone, and speed was quite bad as well iirc. You've got to take the rough with the smooth is the way I see it.
 
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Is taking benzos, alcohol and ethyl at the same time dangerous on the heart, because of the constant up-down-up-down it may have on it?
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Taking ethyl alone I would say is dangerous enough to the heart, mixing with benzo's I can't answer on a medical or scientific level but I would say in my opinion and experience that it would reduce the dangerous effects from overstimulation.

Some type of benzo or similar is what is typically given to people who end up in hospital from stimulation induced panic as far as I know, I personally wouldn't use ethyl without having some sort of benzo available, especially if you are expecting to get some sleep after.
This is not to be taken as a reccomendation though.
 
I sniffed 13mg before and there is hardly any effect now. Tolerance must build rapidly with this. Also now I can understand the nose pain everyone was talking about.
 
lynx2051 said:
Is taking benzos, alcohol and ethyl at the same time dangerous on the heart, because of the constant up-down-up-down it may have on it?
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From a medical perspective, it depends on your cardiovascular constitution. If there aren't any preexisting cardiovascular diseases or complaints, it may not cause significant danger, given that appropriate doses are used as stated elswhere. There is some evidence that Ethylphenidate, when co-ingested with alcohol, can cause more satisfying results than Ethylphenidate alone. The use of Benzodiazepines for interruption of reinforcing EPH effects and leading in comedown does remarkebly break down cardiovascular and "body" side effects of EPH as well, for example tachycardia and hypertension. Others claim that use of low dose Benzodiazepines second to the initial EPH rush can control the rising confusion with compulsive redosing of EPH resulting from its dopaminergic action.

Besides, I'm consenting in full with Halif's report. EPH shows a fast development of tolerance. And it seems not to be well tolerated, especially, and paradoxically, when compared to substances controlled by law.
 
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