Elvis Died For YOU

[Myshkin]

Or This

They look like they've shat their trackies after a shift at the car wash. No style whatsoever. Middle fingers? Cool.

At least Elvis looked like a star, jumpsuit era and all.

 

[brimz]

They are still performing You a lil Jealous

http://youtu.be/pCx5Std7mCo

You dont stand for something
You fall for anything
Harder than you think
Its a beautiful thing.

Chuck D .

I win :D

Elvis got played in big way .

 

[curious_24]

I don't see how anyone can look up to people like that lot. Meh, perhaps it's just me, I dunno.

 

[brimz]

If you bothered looking up all what they have influenced & Done in the last 25 & years you will Respect or at the very least hopefully understand

 

[Cornishman]

^^ I think curious means it in a racist way.












































































































(I'm joking btw)

 

[Mental Kenny]

I'm not a fan of hip hop, far from it in fact, but Public Enemy I do like, they talk about serious issues and they did pave the way for the emancipation and advancement of African Americans in the US, from a social perspective, regardless of their music, they meant a lot in the wider implications of fighting prejudice and intolerance.

 

[curious_24]

@ Cornish

I just don't like the music and the violence, gang culture and misogyny that often comes along with it.

 

[Shambles]

Hiphop is great %)

And the violence, misogyny and and gang stuffz is not at all inherent to hiphop culture. It's just the side that makes the headlines. Some of the most interesting, creative, intelligent and thought-provoking music being made today is hiphop. Fact

In further good Elvis covers news...

Julee Cruise - Summer Kisses, Winter Tears

 

[Myshkin]

Some of the most interesting, creative, intelligent and thought-provoking music being made today is hiphop.

And some of the very worst too.

Spoken like a true, guilt-ridden white music journo.

they did pave the way for the emancipation and advancement of African Americans in the US

I think Rosa, Dr. King, Malcolm X and the Civil Rights movement did quite a bit more for those causes, don't you? :D

I agree they had a social conscience, but so do the Manic Street Preachers and Billy Bragg. Doesn't make their music good though.

@ Cornish

I just don't like the music and the violence, gang culture and misogyny that often comes along with it.

That's my problem - the music, mostly. The clothes are shit too. As for the violence, it's mostly posturing / overcompensating. Doesn't mean it doesn't get widely emulated in inner cities worldwide though.

Now can we have ONE thread that doesn't descend into a bunch of white boys worshipping chubby black men in ill-fitting sportswear? Please?

 

[parttime crackhead]

They look like they've shat their trackies after a shift at the car wash. No style whatsoever. Middle fingers? Cool.

At least Elvis looked like a star, jumpsuit era and all.

Chuck's in his 50s, rocking a pair of trackies & a vest. I don't think that's really meant to be "style", it's just meant to be comfortable.

@ Cornish

I just don't like the music and the violence, gang culture and misogyny that often comes along with it.

Wtf? Gang culture? Misogyny? From Chuck D???

I'll give you Flav on the misogyny part & at a (massive) push violence, but in all honesty I don't think Cornish was a complete mile out with that first comment.

Now can we have ONE thread that doesn't descend into a bunch of white boys worshipping chubby black men in ill-fitting sportswear? Please?

Nope. Thread jacked fool.

 

[Myshkin]

Chuck's in his 50s, rocking a pair of trackies & a vest. I don't think that's really meant to be "style", it's just meant to be comfortable.

So's Val Doonican's cardie. He looks shit too.

Wtf? Gang culture? Misogyny? From Chuck D???

Nobody mentioned 'Chuck D', or whatever his name is. They mentioned hip-hop culture in general. Which is for the most part misogynistic and celebrates gang culture (or an ersatz version thereof).

but in all honesty I don't think Cornish was a complete mile out with that first comment.

That's right. If you don't like rappers you're a racist. Never heard that one before. And why is it always white people who come out with it? :D

What utter tosh. Back to Elvis, please.

 

[parttime crackhead]

Nobody mentioned 'Chuck D', or whatever his name is. They mentioned hip-hop culture in general. Which is for the most part misogynistic and celebrates gang culture (or an ersatz version thereof).



That's right. If you don't like rappers you're a racist. Never heard that one before. And why is it always white people who come out with it? :D

What utter tosh. Back to Elvis, please.

There was no talk about hip hop in general, just Chuck D/Public Enemy specifically. Followed by this comment...

I don't see how anyone can look up to people like that lot. Meh, perhaps it's just me, I dunno.

Then the one about violence, gang culture etc.

I'm not saying if you don't like rap you're a racist. I'm saying that seeing a picture of 2 black guys, some chat about Public Enemy then spouting shit about gangs as a response is slightly racist, or at the very least fucking stupid.

Edit - To be fair, I'm saying it was maybe a bit of a racist comment, I'm not saying that curious_24 is a racist. He might be, I dunno lol.

 

[Ismene]

Re your first paragraph Ismene. That's based on your reading from books right?

No, there are no books that mention how braindead and violent (admittedly only against those they outweighed by 100lbs and outnumbered 10 to 1) most punks were. Apart from Henry Rollins Black Flag book - he describes touring Britain and how utterly fucking pathetic the UK punks were both bands and fans.

so you couldn't have possibly been there could you?

Yeah I was alive at the time - I saw older kids with mohicans, dyed hair and they were always, without exception braindead. There certainly weren't many Lester Bangs and Caroline Coons among them. As Lydon said "You couldn't give some fucking slob a book on philosophy, he wouldn't know how to find the first page".

In the books it's romanticised as a great anti-establishment quest for personal freedom. On the streets, particularly in the north, that message never really got through. It was just a reason for fucking idiots to be obnoxious.

The Mohicans spent most of their time getting chased and beaten by rockers

Never had any problem with Teds or rockers - they tended to be a little older and more likely to fight grown men rather than those they outweighed by 100lbs. The thought of them tapdancing on a mohican skull does give me a warm ready brek glow tho

Sid was a pretty boy. Don't think his snarl fooled anyone. Maybe Ismene.

I dunno, that girl he blinded by throwing the glass was probably convinced. So was little Nick Kent when Sid went at him with a bike chain. And I suppose Nancy was finally convinced when he buried a hunting knife a foot deep in her guts.

But yeah - he only picked on little girls and little blokes like Nick Kent - against anyone his own size he would have been going straight to intensive care.

 

[Ismene]

I'm not a fan of hip hop, far from it in fact, but Public Enemy I do like, they talk about serious issues and they did pave the way for the emancipation and advancement of African Americans in the US, from a social perspective, regardless of their music, they meant a lot in the wider implications of fighting prejudice and intolerance.

Partly so Kenny, but remember Professor Griff saying jews are responsible for most of the wickedness in the world. And Flav behaving like a classic black pimp on reality tv show - a portrayal so racist it would make Huggy Bear wince.

 

[pinkpapaver]

has elvis left the thread?

who else dies for me?

my mom, she died for me. 32 years to this very day.

 

[Ismene]

I think his ambitions were more spiritual and this was also his strong point.

True Ninae, but I think the magical thing about Elvis is his dark side too. The cutting himself to get more drugs, getting his girlfriend to talk to the pharmacist while he lifted all the codeine in the store, going nuts on drugs and trying to climb the wall with a sub-machine gun in his hands saying "Mike Stone must fucking die, he has hurt me so much".

 

[parttime crackhead]

Partly so Kenny, but remember Professor Griff saying jews are responsible for most of the wickedness in the world. And Flav behaving like a classic black pimp on reality tv show - a portrayal so racist it would make Huggy Bear wince.

True. Professor Griff is off his fucking rocker, proper batshit insane lol. I've tried my best to refer to Chuck D rather than Public Enemy as a whole. Flav is an utter joke.

 

[Shambles]

True Ninae, but I think the magical thing about Elvis is his dark side too. The cutting himself to get more drugs, getting his girlfriend to talk to the pharmacist while he lifted all the codeine in the store, going nuts on drugs and trying to climb the wall with a sub-machine gun in his hands saying "Mike Stone must fucking die, he has hurt me so much".

He was impressively nuts at times

My fave Elvis story...

HELLRAISER Alice Cooper loved to outrage gig goers with mock impalings and beheadings but his meeting with Elvis Presley nearly became a real horror story.
Alice Cooper Alice Cooper

HELLRAISER Alice Cooper loved to outrage gig goers with mock impalings and beheadings but his meeting with Elvis Presley nearly became a real horror story.

Alice and the King were in the same Las Vegas hotel when they had their astonishing encounter.

Alice says: “He had the penthouse – this was when he was at the top of his game. I had always been a fan as a kid, so I jumped at the chance to go upstairs and meet him. When I got to the lift I found it was me, Liza Minnelli and the porn actress Linda Lovelace.”

Arriving at Presley’s suite, the unlikely group were frisked for guns by the King’s security team.

“I don’t know why they bothered – when we got inside the place was full of guns,” Alice recalls.

“Elvis took me into the kitchen, opened a drawer, and pulled out a loaded pistol, telling me to put it to his head. I recognised it straight away, a snub .32. I didn’t know what to do.

“I had this gun in my hand and was expecting one of his security to come in any second, see me holding a weapon and shoot me dead.

“A little voice in my left ear was telling me, ‘Go on, this is history, kill him, you’ll always be the guy who killed Elvis’. In my other ear was another voice saying, ‘You can’t kill him, it’s Elvis Presley – wound him instead, you’ll only get a few years!’.

“A fraction of a second later Elvis did a flying kick on the gun, and sent it flying, before tripping me and pinning me to the ground by my neck, announcing, ‘that’s how you stop a man with a gun’.”


Alice Cooper interview: The day I almost shot Elvis Presley

More Elvis cover Goodness...

Dead Kennedy's - Viva Las Vegas

 

[Ismene]

Nice story shammy - I was expecting it to end with him kicking Alice in the balls by mistake when "demonstrating karate" because he was so stoned. Apparantly that happened a few times in the later years.

 

[Myshkin]

No, there are no books that mention how braindead and violent (admittedly only against those they outweighed by 100lbs and outnumbered 10 to 1) most punks were. Apart from Henry Rollins Black Flag book - he describes touring Britain and how utterly fucking pathetic the UK punks were both bands and fans.

Great book, yeah.

Though remember that punk was very old over here by the time the Flag toured. US punk was genuinely subversive compared to the corporate postcard xerox UK mohawk-wank.

But yeah - he only picked on little girls and little blokes like Nick Kent - against anyone his own size he would have been going straight to intensive care.

Dunno, there are a few stories of him taking on bouncers. Plus, it took guts to tour the Deep South.

The Alice story's great. Better than the Nixon yarn.