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Elvis Died For YOU

I concur that Johnny Rotten doesn't come out too well for doing butter ads. But from what he said about it it was mainly cos they paid him a lotta money and - more importantly - he likes butter. If ya gonna shill for anything you may as well do it for summat you actually like. Could probably argue for it either way with some thought. I won't bother though cos I don't really care.

Ninae: Saying that Elvis did "uplifting/healing" stuff - and he was "higher consciousness" in no way makes him more appealing ;)

I do quite like that 1968 comeback concert though.
 
I also like the songs he made after Cilla left him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9sRJ-eOHnc)

He really connected into the pain of humanity there, so most people could relate to as opposed to just bein a Rock-Star in an Ivory Tover.

Anyway, "Commercial" in itself doesn't have to mean worthless. There are many reasons why an artists might end up as very commecial, a lot of it which can be out of his control, as there are so many working full-time to manage his carreer and take it in the direction the record company wants. So I think that part of it is pretty irrelevant - he was the great rock'n'roll singer of his time and his image and performances had to live up to that.

To appreciate it I think you need to view it in a different way. First appreciate him for what he was as a person and a performer. Then there are some real gems there, but they can be hard to find among all the rubbish we was made to do. He was worth an insane amount of money, so I can 't imagine him having too much freedom when it came to his song choice, etc. I understand this was very disillusioning for him, cause although he wasn't a writer, words means everything to him, phrasing meant everything to him, and he hated to compromise quality or be untrue to his own personal style.

Anyway, the more I've seen of Elvis the more impressed I've become. He was a very moral and God-fearing person and had a really strong soul that came through to people (the ability to generate that level of worship is a spiritual skill). And he did all this naturally, in a way, it was just who he was and he was just expressing himself from his heart. There was no conscious agenda to get control over people, or take over the world, and I just respect him more for that.

I think his ambitions were more spiritual and this was also his strong point.
 
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Once again, "moral and god-fearing" is an oxymoron and definitely not a selling point ;)

I totally agree on the "being commercial" stuffz though. Being massively famous and popular is not - in and of itself - a problem. The Good Things tend to rise to the top (as do the floaters, mind :\) and the true shit sink to the bottom. The aforementioned Johnny Rotten/Sex Pistols were commercially successful despite (or indeed becuse of) attempts to stifle it. He still made those butter ads though...

Fact remains that I just don't like many of his songs though. I can appreciate the quality work he did produce. It's just that it's massively outweighed by the dross.
 
Shambles said:
I concur that Johnny Rotten doesn't come out too well for doing butter ads. But from what he said about it it was mainly cos they paid him a lotta money and - more importantly - he likes butter. If ya gonna shill for anything you may as well do it for summat you actually like. Could probably argue for it either way with some thought. I won't bother though cos I don't really care.

Ninae: Saying that Elvis did "uplifting/healing" stuff - and he was "higher consciousness" in no way makes him more appealing ;)
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Aye, if you prefer low-consciousnness stuff, I guess that makes sense. I just prefer more from the higher end of the Spectrum, so anyone who really stands out that way (and very few in history) gets a star in my book.

I guess you're one of those who when in an abysmal mood just want to listen to music that express the same sentiments, it gives you some "comfort/understanding/something to relate to". This is fine at times, or it can make you feel better in the short-term, but it works by keeping those feelings alive in you so you can't really get any peace. I think music that can actually transform your emotional state or state of consciousness to something more positive is FAR superior in this regard.

While something like Punk, I see more as a superficial Entertainment...and not something you should allow to effect your emotional state daily, or that wouldn't be very healthy.
 
I would take offence to that "lower consciousness" bit if there was any sense, meaning or validity to it ;)

Talking about shallow - is the very definition of shallow. What is your definition of "higher/lower consciousness"? Does such a superficial phrase even mean anything? Why no. No it doesn't :D

I <3 punk, yes. It is anything but superficial entertainment. It expresses deep and fundamental truths about human experience and life in general. And sounds great %)

I also <3 what I can imagine you may describe as "higher consciousness" stuff. However, I don't make an arbitrary distinction between such arbitrary and meaningless distinctions.

Basically, I <3 music. Hence being able to appreciate both some of Elvis' better work and the better punk stuff. And everything good inbetween, in, around, and - superficially at least - unrelated to either :)

Pee Ess: Another brilliant Elvis song - made even brillianter by being covered better than the original.
 
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curious_24 said:
If Mr Rotten needed the cash, why didn't he record something or organise a tour? Hell, at least he could have advertised something congruent to his ideals/image/art.
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I'm not defending his butter-hawking but I believe that's what he spent (at least some of) the butter cash on. You can't record an album or organise a tour with no money.

Ninae said:
Aye, if you prefer low-consciousnness stuff, I guess that makes sense. I just prefer more from the higher end of the Spectrum, so anyone who really stands out that way (and very few in history) gets a star in my book.

I guess you're one of those who when in an abysmal mood just want to listen to music that express the same sentiments, it gives you some "comfort/understanding/something to relate to". This is fine at times, or it can make you feel better in the short-term, but it works by keeping those feelings alive in you so you can't really get any peace. I think music that can actually transform your emotional state or state of consciousness to something more positive is FAR superior in this regard.

While something like Punk, I see more as a superficial Entertainment...and not something you should allow to effect your emotional state daily, or that wouldn't be very healthy.
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=D Who's this joker?

Morphling said:
Nobody goes out like a rockstar these days, it was so much more glamorous when they'd die in a pool of their own sick, or whatnot.....respectable, IMO.
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Winehouse? She scooped herself into a grave. Probably spewed in that mad beehive while she was at it.
 
71 posts and no one has linked a picture of Fat Elvis. Disappointed EADD.

Bur we are all agreed he's shit at least yeah?
 
And still no fat Elvis.

101'ers were basically a rock and roll band before Strummer saw the Pistols and thought I'll jump on that bandwagon oh look, London's calling.

And Johhny B Goode was the pistols main rehearsal tune.
 
"God-fearing" was just the way for me to describe true religious feeling and closeness to God...as opposed to not having any (and he came from a strong religious background so he was always close to God).

I wasn't alluding to brainwashed Christians who can't think for themselves, or anything like that. Never been my kind of thing, but I've gained some humility through my spiritual/experiences during the years, so I don't feel it's a non-issue.

In my mind, anything that can help draw beople close to God is a blessing (as the closer you are to the LORD you're in the position to receive more of his power and blessings). Just from I've learnt from personal experience - and the experience of others.

Most of my life I've thought of these things more as fairytales. But after reading with some of the greatest spiritual teachers of Europe, plus what I've learnt from my own experiences - has really opened a new world for me. And there's agreat help to be found out there, especially if traditional medicine has left you down.

And, after all, don't we "Need to become like children to again in order to re-enter enter the Kingdom of God?" All of which resonates with me...fram all I've seen, been encounatened by, and run into in this world. It's a beautiful concenpt but the execution of it is fiercely difficult.

I sometimes start to envy these angels - who's been trapped in a human body in a protective way, then all the craziness what goes along with it, for who knows long, before they return to their true nature.

So, yeah, a moment of ecstacy for them (I wonder why the idea of anels incarnating as humans have been suppressed by the catholic Church?) I see/met them quite frequently...both in normal life and the and under the influence of drugs. And I see it as more than just an illusion.

Anyway, this is so individial, and comes about as a consequence of he beliefs, interestis.. spirituall consciousness, etc. of whoeverr are doing the teaching. Would be interested in hearing some of your ideas (cry or not).
 
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StoneHappyMonday said:
And still no fat Elvis.
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The only Fat Elvis Impersonator worth a wank...

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Dread Zeppelin - Suspicious Minds

They even chuck in a bit o' Beatles too for good measure =D
 
Ninae said:
"God-fearing" was just the way for me to describe true religious feeling and closeness to God...as opposed to not having any (and he came from a strong religious background so he was always close to God).
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Once again, coming from a "strong religious background" and "closeness to (a) god" is an oxymoron ;)

If you haven't seen the theology thread I'll just point out that I'm a lifelong atheist. All religion is a curse on humanity. It should cease to exist. But isn't gonna happen anytime soon :\

Basically, I am of the firm opinion that true spirituality has nowt to do with religion. And - moreover - religion, in any form, actively prevents true spiritual growth. However, that is an argument for another thread ;)

More genius use of Elvis in good tunez...

KLF - Elvis On the Radio, Steel Guitar in My Hand

You may even like that one, Ninae. Is essentially an ambient mix of the Elvis original. I'd say it counts as "spiritual/healing" and "higher consciousness"... but what would I know about such things :D
 
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