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eating Nurofen

The fact is codeine exists. Cocaine exists. MJ exists. There are many threads that talk about ways to take substances from a hram minimisation point of view. This thread is no different. The basic motivation behind it is how to separate the Ibuprofen from the codeine so as to avoid stomach ulcers. Seems like harm minimisation to me.

The only difference with codeine is that its legal. It would be kinda stupid to keep quiet on codeine availablility CONSIDERING ITS LEGAL!

Go have a cry somewhere else.
 
pinkanga said:
The fact is codeine exists. Cocaine exists. MJ exists. There are many threads that talk about ways to take substances from a hram minimisation point of view. This thread is no different. The basic motivation behind it is how to separate the Ibuprofen from the codeine so as to avoid stomach ulcers. Seems like harm minimisation to me.

The only difference with codeine is that its legal. It would be kinda stupid to keep quiet on codeine availablility CONSIDERING ITS LEGAL!

Go have a cry somewhere else.
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ill have a cry right here thanks, im pretty damn sure that if this thread never existed there would be less codiene addicts as an end result, if you want harm reduction from taking codiene why not just provide a thread titled how to extract codiene safly. and not allude in a thread topic that you can get high off something new thats legal.

i think what clop said sums up what i think alot better then i have written

, but I would never have bothered in the first place if it hadn't been for the information and thinly-veiled encouragement in this thread.

For people already using N+ to supply themselves with codeine, this thread is academic. For people not already using codeine, this thread gives you ideas you didn't have before.
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lets consider a more extreme example, do you think its ethical to provide a way for people to make heroine out of everyday substances and title the thread "make your own H easy". what do you think the end result on society is if we provided such a thread and, if it were possible to create H from everyday substances and, to add to that, people keep bumping up the post to keep it fresh for peoples eyes (im aware that me posting in this thread contradicts that)

if anyone had a shread of decency to help out other fellow people they would keep dangerous information like that away from them.

So instead infromation should jsut be titled "how to extract codiene safely from otc meds"

if you listened to what i had said instead of just trying to bully me by basiclly calling me an idiot and stoped regurgitating the same arguments you would proble see that im right and your wrong. Im not going to bother argueing with you anymore, my point has been put across and its there for anyone with a clear mind to make their own judgement.


The_Masochrist - You need to learn the three R's

- Respect for others;
- Respect for yourself; and
- Responsibility for your own actions.
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mabey you better pick up a dictionary and learn what those words actully mean eggman 8)
 
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..as the points in this thread have been put across and anyone with a clear mind can make their own judgement.

Sure this thread touches on the ease in which one may obtain the substance because of its use in every medication... well so what! Thats the nature of the beast right? The fact is it exists and were discussing it.
 
The first time I ever heard about codeine was when a friend of mine told me he had consumed 12 panadeine tablets (codeine + paracetemol), and I was informed that it produced a strong painkiller effect. I never tried such a stupid act thankfully as I actually did some research on the net about codeine, and found infomation similar to this thread about the harmful effects of large doses of paracetemol, and how to avoid it.

Just because some people speak enthusiastically about codeine and praise its effects, doesnt mean they are encouring people to try/use it. They simply enjoy the drug themselves, and its often these people who are some of the most knowledgable about the substance. They shouldnt have to spell out to the kids reading this thread that codeine is a dangerous substance and can be habbit forming.

Theres always going to be someone who has never heard of codeine, then stumbles across a thread like this and decideds to buy a box or two. Though the safest thing would have been for the individual to have never experienced codeine, they could have just as easily found out about it from less reliable information and possibly harmed themselves as a result.
 
peaked said:
the safest thing would have been for the individual to have never experienced codeine, they could have just as easily found out about it from less reliable information and possibly harmed themselves as a result.
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Quite true peakstah.

But I think that the number of people that have been encouraged to try codeine for the first time after reading this thread will be much greater than the number of people who were already using codeine with paracetamol before reading this thread and did not know that paracetamol is harmful.

clop
 
I entirely agree clop. I guess it comes down to which you think is worse, one person using codeine, uneducated about the dangers, compared to 10 (or more) people using codeine in combination with harm minimisation techniques.
 
This then comes down to the moral question of if information should be available or to people or not.

Perhaps the government should ensure people can't get information that it deams they may use to hurt themselves... That's essentially what your saying, in that case we shouldn't have threads about any drug that hasn't been tried by everyone on the board already.

Not very logical.... I understand what your getting at but there is a deeper moral issue here that your missing. I do agree that information can be misused... but is that a reason to suppress it completely?
 
Clop and The_Masochrist, you clearly have no understanding of either harm minimisation or the purpose of this website.

People can do what they wish with information presented to them. They are not so weak-minded that just because they see that you can obtain a high from an OTC medecine they are going to rush out and do it. If a person wants to use a drug they will, be it Codeine, Marijuana, Alcohol, heroin whatever. If they weren't getting high from codeine it would be somethings else. The same thing goes for addiction.

This site presents information for potential users or users that enables them to reduce the damage they do to themselves in the event that they decide to take the drug. This thread is a clear example of this.

People without the knowledge contained in this thread could gobble down handfuls of Nurofen and do themselves serious gastro-intestinal damage. The information presented in this thread (and the whole of Bluelight) doesn't discourage or encourage the use of any drug. It's underlying philosophy is that people will inevitably use drugs. Therefore, rather than condemning them for their use, people should be taught that if they MUST use drugs, then they should take steps to minimise the potential damage of said drug.

Sorry, but I simply don't buy your "people as mindless sheep" arguement at all.
 
ive just eaten 4 neurofen halves and i am a first time user, is it normal for me to have heavy eyes 15mins after ingestion? also i could notice a slight concave in the pills when i cut them but im not sure if it was the concave in the pill or the slice from my blade when i cut it. Also i could only get a 24pack from my pharmacy, is this normal?
 
Please qwerty have a look at this - http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine/codeine_faq.shtml

If you had taken the pills on an empty stomach then you probably would feel the effects in 15min. Yes this is "normal".
Be careful with your dosage as big increases can mean more itching or nausea.
Codeine can be addictive so you should try to avoid daily use.

Originally posted by *=Regulator=*
If a person wants to use a drug they will, be it Codeine, Marijuana, Alcohol, heroin whatever. If they weren't getting high from codeine it would be somethings else. The same thing goes for addiction.

This site presents information for potential users or users that enables them to reduce the damage they do to themselves in the event that they decide to take the drug. This thread is a clear example of this.
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I think Regulator is spot on here.

In order to minimise harm, people are informed about drugs and there effects.

People can get themselves addicted to anything!
 
qwerty123: Have a look through the thread, there allot of information here that could potentially help you avoid hurting yourself if you use this substance.

Its a physically addictive drug so you should be careful with it regardless of how you use it.
 
thanks mongman, i had a great time on codeine but i wont make a habit of it. I felt like some more when the pills were taking effect and i could understand that they could be very addictive
 
clop said:


But I think that the number of people that have been encouraged to try codeine for the first time after reading this thread will be much greater than the number of people who were already using codeine with paracetamol before reading this thread and did not know that paracetamol is harmful.

clop
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I might also point out that this thread also contains a number of stories from people who have had problems with codeine (which started long before this thread was around). It's not all painted as a rosy picture and people need to take responsibility for assessing these risks themselves before using any drug.

There's a lot of drugs I never knew existed before I clicked onto bluelight... there's always a possibility that I might get into trouble using something I've found out about from here, but I can't blame a thread on a message board for my own decision making.

Kat :)
 
Well then, instead of arguing in circles, perhaps we could have a poll on this issue?

Are you

A) Someone who was already using Nurofen+ before reading this thread but was not splitting the pills and didn't know about the dangers of paracetamol poisoning

B) Someone who was already using Nurofen+ before reading this thread but already knew how to split the pills to avoid the dangers of paracetamol poisoning

C) Someone who was not already using codeine before reading this thread but decided to try it after seeing how to split Nurofen+ pills

D) Someone who was not already using codeine before reading this thread and still hasn't tried it



I'm a C
 
B...and I didn't learn to split them from this thread. I researched several hours before my first indulgence.
 
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clop said:
Well then, instead of arguing in circles, perhaps we could have a poll on this issue?

Are you

A) Someone who was already using Nurofen+ before reading this thread but was not splitting the pills and didn't know about the dangers of paracetamol poisoning


B) Someone who was already using Nurofen+ before reading this thread but already knew how to split the pills to avoid the dangers of paracetamol poisoning

C) Someone who was not already using codeine before reading this thread but decided to try it after seeing how to split Nurofen+ pills

D) Someone who was not already using codeine before reading this thread and still hasn't tried it
I'm a C
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Pertaining to "B)" - Read the thread and properly argue the facts as stated within it. There is no paracetamol in Nurofen +. Ibuprofen is the active ingredient that users would seek to remove. Your obvious ignorance to the facts typifies exactly the message that this thread and others within Bluelight seek to address!
 
Im a C. This is a drug forum ffs. It provided me with the necessary info to minimize the risks to my body; and i was never addicted to it by heading the warnings of just how addictive the stuff can be (ie only using once a week or less) - I wouldnt have know this without this thread (and erowid); and a downward spiral would have resulted without the replies in this thread. Im glad for the times I tried codiene, it was great for relaxing and im over it now (or probably only use it once every couple of months - like pills).

Give up mate your point while is valid to some degree, it just doesnt hold up. If you dont want to try drugs, I suggest you never return to bluelight. Basically your saying every drug that has addiction potential should not be posted about in a thread because you could become addicted to it... Have some self control.
 
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Fair enough.

Good point Tranz-E, if you are so ealisy misled that all it takes is a page on a drug discussion board to create an addiction, you shouldn't be here in the first place.

It's not like innocent people stumble onto a thread about extracting codeine from nurofen+ without looking for it! :)
 
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