johnnyonelove said:
as for cloudy water, well i think it usually will come out somewhat cloudy. don't know how you can fuck up a cold water extraction. if you pass cold water through, minimal paracetamol should dissolve....
I agree that it would be pretty difficult to fuck up the procedure if you have had proper instructions. However I was mainly thinking of someone who is doing the procedure for the first time, and might not have filtered it properly (or at all) resulting in a cloudy liquid (atleast, with the brands that easily filter to a clear liquid).
To be honest, I've been having alot of codeine lately, and as such have had much more experience with the CWE with a variety of brands (panadeine, codapane, chemists own "pain tabsules" or "tablets", Amcal "Strong pain relief tablets", nurofen plus etc). I'd have to say I was a bit wrong in some of the previous statements i've made in this thread. All of the brands ive tried the CWE have resulted in a slightly cloudy and/or coloured solution with the exception of panadeine and codapane, which both seem to filter to a clear liquid for me (with 2 coffee filters anyhow).
I know very little about chemistry so I cant really say with any accuracy what the cloudy mixture might be, or the cause of it. It could only really be binder and/or paracetemol, though in what amounts im not sure. What I do know is that from every cloudy CWE i've consumed, the level of nausea was stronger and there was more discomfort in the stomach. I used the same amount of codeine overall between the cloudy and non-cloudy brands, but continually found the clear CWE's to be a far more pleasant experience, in terms of less nausea and more euphoria. It could just be that the brands that produce a cloudy liquid also yield a higher percent of codeine, but having experimented with a CWE on 50 panadeine, and finding that the end solution was less nauseas (still couldnt stand up without feeling sick though) but still a very strong pain killing effect, compared to a CWE on 24 of the "chemists own" which seemed to produce alot of sickness and little in the way of sedation. For this reason I only use either panadeine or codapane for the CWE these days.
I always used to grind my pills up for the CWE, but these days I prefer to just chuck them into the water and stir them for awhile. Within 2 minutes its usually all disolved into a gooey liquid. I used to think that by grinding them I would be getting a higher yield, but personally I think by letting the whole pills disolve in the water it makes for a slightly stronger dose.
Just out of curiosity, if someone decides to skip the warm water (and refridgeration) in the CWE and instead just disolves the pills into cold water and then filters, would there be any chance of more paracetemol getting through? I suspect by doing this the codeine yield would be abit less ... but if not, then just what is the reason for using warm water? According to
that chart, codeine is more soluble in cold water, and paracetemol is less (than compared to warm water). If thats the case, wouldnt it be better to just use cold water since less paracetemol could disolve into it? Or would some of the paracetemol be seperated from the liquid when its cooled ?
