EADD Changa thread

[Shambles]

I honestly think they probably would. It's only the fact that for hundreds, thousands of years their only option was to brew up some pretty rancid stuff to get to the swirlies. It's not like someone woke up one day and just decided that they'd rather spray from both ends and be doubled up with cramps half the night for fun. Quite literally shits and giggles. It's no wonder they built up this great mythology around it to make it seem like it was important that the good stuff needed to happen alongside the icky stuff. Amazonian indians ain't stooopid. I'm perfectly sure that if they had the option of not feeling shite whilst "communing with the spirits" they'd take it. At least if they were starting over and didn't have all the baggage. And tourist trade in morons trying to be "ethnic" 8)

 

[blondin]

With FB you normally need x3 lungfulls to break thro - and why alot of people weigh it out is because smoking 100mg and 30 mgs is not the same. Once you have broken thro your feelings for this drug may change - i can honestly say it was the most intense experience evah...little talking 'aliens', being at one with the universe, the loss of ego ....it really makes you wonder about the dimension we live in...are we awake dreamimg or or asleep living

 

[Myshkin]

PS: Oral dosing is the only time other than IV (not that I'd ge IVing any extracted DMT anyway) I'd say weighing DMT is really important. It's one thing taking in a slightly bigger lungful of smoke than expected, quite another to have a gutful of summat that's orders of magnitude stronger than expected.

I must admit I couldn't tell you what my oral dose was (irresponsible) but I also knew it wasn't more than was necessary for a strong trip. And strong it was. Though anyone at home thinking about oral dosing should take your words into account. You really don't want to find yourself out of your depth too much and face a terrifying couple of hours. I suppose sitters are ideal as well, though you might not feel at all chatty or sociable.

IV's not a route I've considered, but how does the onset compare to smoking?

 

[Shambles]

I've never IV'd DMT itself, Sam (needs micron filtering before being even remotely wise really). I'd be fairly certain the onset is just slightly more sluggish than smoked though as that's the case with just about anything IV'd vs smoked. There are a few reports in PD of folk IVing extracted DMT but gives me the willies and definitely isn't recommended from a HR standpoint.

I have IV'd 4-AcO-DMT though which is by all accounts extremely similar to IV DMT (not so similar when taken via other ROA obviously) and can say that that has a surprising delayed onset. I'm only talking a minute or so but that's an age in IV terms. Comes on like a fukkin freight train once it starts though. Effects seemed to tally with all I've read of IV DMT and going on what folks who've done both say it's a very close analogue of said effects. Disorientating is about as close to a description as I could get really. Very disorientating. Literally couldn't see my hand in front of my face through the haze of visuals. It's actually documented over in the PD 4-AcO-DMT thread somewhere cos I was posting right up until it kicked in fully. Then there's a gap of about 15-20 minutes followed by a "fuck me that was insane " type post. IV DMT is definitely on my ToDo list but I'd really be wanting synthed stuff rather than extracted due to infection risk.

 

[Myshkin]

There are a few reports in PD of folk IVing extracted DMT but gives me the willies and definitely isn't recommended from a HR standpoint.

Same here - just the thought scares me shitless, but I thought "if one EADD regular has done that...".

 

[jancrow]

If one EADD regular jumped off a cliff... ?? HMMM, EH?

 

[Myshkin]

If one EADD regular jumped off a cliff... ?? HMMM, EH?

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[effie]

EADDers do know absolutely everything about drugs and have perfect judgement at all times, though :D

I thought someone in here had done it too, no one specific, just imagined they would have done.. I'm certainly not up for it not outside a controlled setting a la "The Spirit Molecule", anyway! Definitely one not to try at home, I imagine.

 

[Myshkin]

I have a feeling F&B has done it. I'm sure I read about it somewhere. Though I thought Shambles was a likely suspect.

I'm not likely to go IVing anything just now, especially not the waxy DMT I could (possibly) get on the streets. And I wouldn't venture there out of sheer fear, even with the best assistance and safety measures in the world.

Maybe on my deathbed though. That'd be alright.

 

[Shambles]

F&B is definitely a possibility as he's just about the only EADDer I know of who's laid hands on synthed DMT. I'd've thought probably IM rather than IV though if anything.

 

[effie]

The thought of coming round from a DMT trip to find a needle in my arm is not a pleasant one, either.. IV ketamine's horrible partly for that reason. Very anti-HR and a downright nasty experience

I think I'd do it under research conditions, but it's easy for me to say that as I'm unlikely to ever get the opportunity oral DMT scares me more, although I still intend to do that at some point.

 

[Shambles]

Well... if IV DMT is anything like IV 4-AcO-DMT (as I've been led to believe it is) you get plenty of time to re-arrange yerself before it comes on. I never had any problems in that area IVing ket either but know it's pretty notorious for coming round with needle still in arm. Imagine that does a bit of a number on your poor ol' veins 8(

 

[blondin]

The spice i have came from a v good friend over the water and is pure - i have done an IM shot and the onset was a few minutes tho it may have been quicker as i always do it on my own, it disolved easily with a little tinkering and this is where weighing is importent. My friend did IV it many times and said it was very similar to smoking but the onset was quicker as you dont need to smoke a good amount and hold.
In the Spirit molecule all the participents had it injected rather than smoked (I think but its a been while since i last read it) n,n DMT is not really like any of the similar sounding analogues also some are extremely potent at a 1/10th of the amount so its importent to be sure of whaqt yer getting

 

[parttime crackhead]

Right, so I guess I did take "enough" of it that time. I can't actually remember what the fuck happened beyond everything just melting away to shit. Certainly no other world shit or whatever. To be honest, that wasn't fun at all. It's put me right off smoking it & there's probably still some in the bowl of my bong which other times I'd happily of kept smoking to try & prolong the trippiness but once I came back to reality & things stopped melting around me I turned the tunes off (after about 3 unsuccessful attempts, where the speakers were melting & I was afraid I was going to break something lol) & I was actually walking about my house trying my best to make it stop. I'm still tripping slightly just now & I wish it would hurry up & get to fuck so I can go about the rest of my day (ie, make some dinner).

Edit - I genuinely regret doing that. Whereas other times I've just felt fantastic & got some decent visuals. I packed the bowl of my bong to fuck this time to make sure I was getting a "proper" amount of DMT.

Edit again - I know it's only been a couple of minutes but now that all but residual trippiness has gone I can say "THAT WAS FUCKING MAD!" hahaha. Whatever happened when everything melted away to nothing was probably a bit of fun, but the trippiness afterwards (once I came back to being a person again) was not. I really wanted it to go away. I was near enough shouting "FUCKING STOP!" lol. Went out my room & sat on the stairs trying to get my head together lol.

 

[Shambles]

Sounds like you may have actually overshot the mark that time, PTCH. If you basically blacked-out then that would be an "OD". This is why it's so damnably hard to hit the breakthrough dose. Sorry you had a rough time of it. Have done similar on other substances and is no fun at all. I know exactly what you mean about wanting it just to stop and go do summat "normal" to get your head together. Obviously those thoughts pass

Such is the way with potent psyches though really. If you overdo it you can end up in some pretty fucked-up places. Am somewhat surprised it happened with DMT as it always feels incredibly euphoric and "safe" to me. Have never pushed it too hard though due to a few experiences like you just had only with other stuff in my case. This is why a certain amount of "respecting the molecule" is probably not such a bad idea. Just without all the hippydippy baggage :D

The spice i have came from a v good friend over the water and is pure - i have done an IM shot and the onset was a few minutes tho it may have been quicker as i always do it on my own, it disolved easily with a little tinkering and this is where weighing is importent. My friend did IV it many times and said it was very similar to smoking but the onset was quicker as you dont need to smoke a good amount and hold.
In the Spirit molecule all the participents had it injected rather than smoked (I think but its a been while since i last read it) n,n DMT is not really like any of the similar sounding analogues also some are extremely potent at a 1/10th of the amount so its importent to be sure of whaqt yer getting

I'm not doubting for a moment you get nice Spice. You ain't getting synthetic DMT though and that means it is far from safe to IV and absolutely insane to be IMing. That's amputation territory. Getting plant material where it shouldn't be is no joke. It can be lethal and is a whole lotta no fun even if not. Obviously you can get away with it sometimes - maybe even many times - but keep injecting extracted DMT and you will find out the hard way. Not worth it. If you want to inject DMT you must use a micron filter first. Not micron filtering is beyond reckless. Get yerself (and your mate) some micron/wheel filters online or from a needle exchange (if they do them where you are). May be a bit of extra expense but a lot better than losing a limb or worse. Safe/sorry and all that, eh?

 

[parttime crackhead]

All I can really remember is forgetting to breath (seems to be a bit of an issue due to the holding my breath like fuck, then hitting bong round 2 & doing the same again while tripping off my nut) & being stuck in a loop where I would sort of snap back to BREATH!!! & blow the smoke out again. I don't remember any sort of visuals from this part of the trip, just a fucking blackout really. I can't even remember where in my room I was. I must have been lying on my bed (as I was sitting on it while hitting the bong) but when I started to come back to reality I was standing up. Which makes me think I was moving about while this was happening.

I can remember a couple of times thinking "Move the bong before you break it" but then not having any fucking idea where the bong was or what it looked it (even though it was right in front of me) & also thinking "Get that music to fuck" but then when I went up to the speakers I was tripping so hard I couldn't figure out what to do. This was all after the initial nothing existing part.

Guess I took too much lol.

Edit - It wasn't scary or anything, just not enjoyable.

 

[junglejuice]

Fuck all that junglejuice bollocks

Fuuuuuuck YOU!

 

[breakcorefiend]

All I can really remember is forgetting to breath (seems to be a bit of an issue due to the holding my breath like fuck, then hitting bong round 2 & doing the same again while tripping off my nut) & being stuck in a loop where I would sort of snap back to BREATH!!! & blow the smoke out again. I don't remember any sort of visuals from this part of the trip, just a fucking blackout really. I can remember a couple of times thinking "Move the bong before you break it" but then not having any fucking idea where the bong was or what it looked it (even though it was right in front of me) & also thinking "Get that music to fuck" but then when I went up to the speakers I was tripping so hard I couldn't figure out what to do. This was all after the initial nothing existing part.

Guess I took too much lol.

Lol this sounds so similar! I'm actually scared to dose above 60mg ish of dmt at a time as the very last hit of freebase I had I used like 100+mg to 'get there' and what I found was that 'there' scared the fucking shite outta me! I literally blacked out, the music I was listening to just stopped, was stuck in some sort of grey monochrome prism with these black vines growing around me, I kept hearing peoples voices and it just freaked me out! My bong turned into a rocket after breathing out the second hit then blackout!

I used a waterless bong with a bed of vaped bud over the dmt and put foil over the bowl with pinpricks in it to make sure I didn't burn the dmt.

I too was left with a load in the bowl and just chucked it as I wasn't ready to return there anytime soon! Definitely the scariest trip to date!

 

[specialspack]

Oral DMT is one of the few psychedelic things that I'd probably say no to I'm not one to be scared in the slightest of tripping, because at the end of the day it's a drug & it'll stop eventually, but that does sound a bit too full on.

Gonna give it a couple hours then give this fucking changa another go. I WANT FUCKING HYPERSPACE GAAADDAMNIT!!!

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that wasn't fun at all.... I was near enough shouting "FUCKING STOP!"

Sounds like you were perhaps a tad unprepared mentally, hmm...?

That'll teach you to slag off the hippies and their "respect the spice" warnings. :D

 

[parttime crackhead]

BCF - That makes me feel a bit better about it tbh. I clearly did just get too good a hit of it. Up until then I thought I couldn't do too much (within reason obv.) & it was either going to be not enough so just trippiness while sitting in my room or full on DMT land if I got enough.

Spack - There was still nothing fucking spiritual about it lol. Just a bit too fucking mad! Anyway, it was all over quick enough so not too bad in hindsight, I was still tripping quite a bit when I made that first post. I suspect it felt a lot longer than it really was. The full-on walls melting bit after I came back to reality was a bit unexpected. When I went a mission about the house to try & shake it off I was still tripping so much that I started to think "Maybe this is *it* & I'm not really walking about my house" haha.

I think my initial pissed off feeling was because I've never had visuals as strong as that that have went away so quickly. I'm totally back to baseline now. I think I was thinking "this is going to go on for fucking ages & I don't want it to".