EADD Changa thread

[parttime crackhead]

Exactly. Folk need to get a grip & realise it's just a drug like any other, not something "sacred" lol.

 

[blondin]

ok easy way...put some parsley packed down in a hash pipe (can use weed but will effect the trip )put in layer of DMT and some ash on top - you dont want the flame to hit the spice - hover the flame over carefully and suck down the smoke take a biggest hit you can and hold for as long as you can. YOu should be feeling it by now if there is any left in the bowl fire it up again.The visuals are much better with eyes closed. You need to understand that the reason people talk about DMT in such reverand terms is it is a mighty molecule with the right amount you can experience ego loss and get taken to places that will blow your mind there is no comparrison to other halucigens and Ive tried most except the new RC's.
The nexus website is v good you need to take some time to look thro it.
BTWthe first few times i did it off foil and it worked fine just need v good flame controll so u dont burn the spice.

You can IV or IM it to - there is a great book called the Spirit Molecule by Richard Straussman which you can dind free to download if you look also a vid of the same name.

 

[parttime crackhead]

Cheers for the effort blondin but you might want to check the title of this thread lol. I don't have DMT freebase, I have DMT infused leaves (aka changa).

I get that it will blow your mind etc but it is just a drug at the end of the day, albeit a mighty impressive one by all accounts. I really don't get all this "sacred, to be given away not to be sold" bollocks.

 

[effie]

Perhaps your changa isn't strong enough, if you're technique is okay and you're taking in a decent hit? Not sure, only got myself some changa once or twice and it seemed a bit hit and miss whether it would just make everything pretty or blast me into another world. It mostly did the former, though.. I didn't do anything special, bong-stylee, held it in as long as I could etc..

Vader's a changa expert, shame he's not around.

 

[eclipsedesign]

IIRC you mentioned you can get hold of the DMT freebase as well PTCH? Maybe get a small bit of that and sprinkle underneath your changa so it vapes and then give it a go. Personally, a big bong rip of decent changa is easily enough to get the rocket to hyperspace.

 

[parttime crackhead]

Maybe the changa isn't strong enough. I hope that's not the case.

Aye, I can get a hold of DMT freebase, not particularly easily or cheaply though so that's not an option right now. That's what I'll be doing the next time I buy some though, then I can just go fucking tonto & rattle 100mg or something if I can't get it working on lower doses.

One thing - see if I don't get where I want go after holding in one big hit, is there any point taking another straight away or should I just wait for it wear off & try again fresh?

 

[blondin]

Changa is infused capri and if you dont know the amount of DMT that went in it then its impossible to say what the right amount to smoke is. If its made properly then one big hit ought to do it , by the sounds of it youve tried this with not much luck. See if you can get the freebase off the fella as if he made it he ought to have some.
The reason , as I explained, why people almost worship the stuff is that it can take you to paralell worlds, the end of the universe, destroy then rebuild the ego all in 10 minutes tho it might feel like a 1000 hours (sometimes). It really is remarkably potent stuff and not to be played with lightly. The reason its not normally sold is that a. it is v v strong and in the wrong hands could severly freek someone out and b. its a bit like shrooms , its not common to trade in these as its a mystical experience (I know this sounds dippy but im sure you 'geddit'

 

[eclipsedesign]

As long as it's very soon after it should be fine man, I've had a repeat hit straight after to get where I have wanted to be before and it's worked fine. I know tolerance ramps up very quickly so having another hit just after you've come back down near baseline isn't going to do very much though, I'd wait at least an hour afterward, though DMT isn't the kind of thing you want to do frequently in a day. I've found it makes it much harder to remember the trip if you've already tripped once that day.

 

[parttime crackhead]

b. its a bit like shrooms , its not common to trade in these as its a mystical experience (I know this sounds dippy but im sure you 'geddit'

I 'geddit' as in I get what you mean & why you would say that, but I wholeheartedly disagree with this viewpoint that some people have regarding certain drugs. Ketamine sends you to another world & could freak someone right out if they weren't expecting it, I don't see anyone shouting that it's a "sacred spice" & must be respected etc.

It's perfectly common to trade in shrooms. See Amsterdam a few years ago. I just think it's not common here because the common shrooms grow in fields for free so people just pick them rather than buy them. I've said before though that I wish folk would go picking magic mushrooms & sell them to the likes of me, because I can't be fucked hunting them down. Mushrooms are no more "mystical" than acid & it seems to do OK as a buy/sell type drug.

Anyway, not trying to have a hippy vs non-hippy argument lol, even though I kind of just did. I respect that you (& plenty others) have a different opinion of these types of drugs from me, just trying to explain my viewpoint. Drugs is drugs is drugs basically

As long as it's very soon after it should be fine man, I've had a repeat hit straight after to get where I have wanted to be before and it's worked fine. I know tolerance ramps up very quickly so having another hit just after you've come back down near baseline isn't going to do very much though, I'd wait at least an hour afterward, though DMT isn't the kind of thing you want to do frequently in a day. I've found it makes it much harder to remember the trip if you've already tripped once that day.

Aye, I wasn't meaning I was going to go for round 2 as soon as I felt "normal" again. I find that after a go on it I'm quite happy to wait for a while before going for it again & also quite happy to put it away for another day, which is weird considering it's really good fun (even without breaking through to elf-land).

 

[effie]

I'd LOVE to see it convert Crackhead into a hippy, coming back telling us about his new-found respect for positive the energy in the Universe and how he never realised that all life is one.. would make my day.

I have a lot of respect for DMT. It's certainly given my life a positive push at times, and my main challenging/scary experience did feel like it helped me overcome some difficulties.. It's more than just a "fun" drug for sure and not one to abuse for a high, but if I'm honest my experiences have mostly been "wow, that's cool" rather than "wow, I'm having a spiritual epiphany". YMMV though and I don't knock those who do have a deeper experience

PTCH, +1 on trying a second hit immediately after if 1 isn't enough, I have done that a few times and it did seem to work.

 

[Myshkin]

@Sam, its vital that you do this as the spice is soooo strong and eyeballing 50mg is very hard to do.

Is it really that important though?

I've never witnessed anybody weighing out a DMT dose. It's not like you can smoke that much in one go anyway. I've never weighed out a DMT dose in my life and I'm still here. So are countless others.

As for 'sacred spice', you're entitled to hold that view, but I don't subscribe to that particular school.

Changa is infused capri

NSFW:

Oh sorry. That's somebody getting enthused about a Capri.

 

[Shambles]

I mostly agree with Effie on the hippydom front. I've only ever had freebase DMT and have never quite managed to fully break through - tend to get stuck at the "fuck me that's a lot of pretty things " stage. Plenty peeps seem to struggle to get past that into the seriously freaky stuff that DMT is capable of causing (or revealing if you're of more hippy bent).

It's not just you, PTCH. It really does seem to be almost a matter of luck as to how far out you go on DMT. Presumably it ultimately just comes down to dose - it can be surprisingly hard to physically take in enough smoke to see the truly awesome sights. It definitely does work to take a second or third hit (never heard of anyone managing to squeeze in four but I'm sure it can be done with determination) and that would seem to be the best tactic to maximising the dunt (or spiritual journey or whatever you prefer). It's one of those practise makes perfect kinda drugs, I suspect. Have heard of peeps smoking DMT for months - even years - before they finally break through. Apparently it's well worth putting in the practice though :D

Changa actually does the rounds here on rare occasions. And I'd feel safe and happy taking it now I'm off the trams again. Seems to be more popular around festival season here so will wait and hope for Good Things to come my way.

PS: I've also never weighed a dose of DMT. Never really heard of anyone weighing it unless they're IVing. The hippy bullshit also bugs me but we all know how hippyfolk like to wax lyrical about the swirlz 8)

 

[Myshkin]

It really does seem to be almost a matter of luck as to how far out you go on DMT.

I've found that too. On separate occasions I've found that exactly the same dose (changa, not freebase, which minimises any crapness of technique / shoddiness of home-made apparatus affecting matters) can either have me seeing faint trails and grinning or taking a journey through 'hyperspace'. Not knowing where you'll end up is part of the fun.

Fun is most definitely the word though. And I've also heard of people happily smoking it for years and never breaking through - it's a pleasant high, very pleasant in fact. Swirly crack.

Oral DMT is something different entirely, though I've only had the pleasure of doing it once. Now that's a serious DMT experience. And for all the hippy crew, I regret to tell you that I stirred it into a pint of Coca-Cola after taking some moclobemide beforehand. Fuck the vile tasting brews and so on - I don't live in the jungle and I don't have worms. I still chucked up though. Anyone who's serious about seeing DMT's true potential is missing a trick by blazing it exclusively.

Ain't that right, Ismene?

 

[parttime crackhead]

Oral DMT is one of the few psychedelic things that I'd probably say no to (not including the absolute garbage ones, eg salvia). I'm not one to be scared in the slightest of tripping, because at the end of the day it's a drug & it'll stop eventually, but that does sound a bit too full on.

Gonna give it a couple hours then give this fucking changa another go. I WANT FUCKING HYPERSPACE GAAADDAMNIT!!!


Edit - Re weighing the dose. I never even considered weighing it when I had freebase. It's not like I was going to OD on the stuff & at worst would have taken double what I intended, which isn't really an issue afaik. Our smoking technique was pretty shit though, so never got close to a full-on dunt with freebase. That was mainly down to doing it on the arse-end of a night out while wasted.

 

[jancrow]

Bum drop those herbs, my man.

You know it makes sense.

 

[parttime crackhead]

Hahaha, aye wait the now & I'll go poke some jaggy, crispy leaves up my hoop.

 

[jancrow]

:D like shitting ground up frosties in reverse. Trippy frosties.

 

[karmanaut]

Ah, brings back memories of last summer !

I always preferred Changa over freebase because its easier to breakthrough and a longer lasting experience. I could never get the hang of Vape'ing freebase so Changa was a godsend - just load up the pipe and off to hyperspace.

 

[Shambles]

Oral DMT is something different entirely

I'm sure of it. I've never quite gotten around to it though. Never had the Deemsters and Moclobomide at the same time... actually I've just never gotten around to acquiring the Moclobomide. One of these days... But I'd definitely be going the Issy-approved route. Fuck all that junglejuice bollocks. Why the fuck would anyone go out of their way to feel shit on a strong psyche? All that "but it's the only truly authentic way of experiencing it" stuff is such a load of old wank it really is. Pharmahuasca ftw.

PS: Oral dosing is the only time other than IV (not that I'd ge IVing any extracted DMT anyway) I'd say weighing DMT is really important. It's one thing taking in a slightly bigger lungful of smoke than expected, quite another to have a gutful of summat that's orders of magnitude stronger than expected.

 

[parttime crackhead]

All that "but it's the only truly authentic way of experiencing it" stuff is such a load of old wank it really is.

I bet the dudes scooping it in the jungle would rather tan it in a pint of coke as well.