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EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

AlsoTapered said:
Oh - the effects are quite spectacular. Imagine MDMA mixed with valium - that's what methaqualone felt like to me.
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Is it addictive? On paper it sounds like i'd enjoy it. I remember once a friend sourced it but even on the markets i've only seen it once or twice and i'd want it tested to confirm that's what it is before consuming it's so rare. Is it common still in South Africa?
 
axe battler said:
@AlsoTapered how did clomethiazole compare to benzos/methaqualone? Is it euphoric or just sedating?
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Unique - it's not as euphoric as methaqualone but it's rather like alcohol in some ways. It's unique in fully substituting FOR alcohol i.e. anyone physically dependant on alcohol can take clomethiazole and the physical symptoms of alcohol withdrawal disappear entirely.

Sadly, if you drink even a small amount of alcohol on top of clomethiazole, it's very dangerous - I mean a couple of pints can wind up killing you.

But as a hypnotic it's excellent, as a treatment for alcohol dependence it's quite amazing.
 
pharaoh said:
Got some "street valium" on my trip to Glasgow just for the sake of it, just to test it really. White pills, no logo - plain on the front and a score across the back. Curious to see what they will contain, if anything. There are literally guys walking around central station asking if you need anything. Got some brown as I was after some but I was merely curious about what kinda of ta let's are going around. It's surprising to not even see the pretense of a logo. I get bensedin from a reliable source and know that I am getting diazepam (got bromaz on one occasion but they made it right - was just a bad batch). These look like they could just be paracetamol that have been bagged up but a street fellow was begging me for a couple when he saw me getting them so who knows? The guy had pills, brown, white (crack is becoming big in Glasgow now. Always thought it was odd that it ever really took off there before even though its everywhere in towns and cities in England). Anyway, assuming that it isn't bunk or paracetamol, my guess would be etiz or one of the "flu/flub" benzos. It just seemed strange to see no marking, even though the guy had brown and white. The again, he's just given what he's given and sells accordingly. The press even has it that some of these pills have contained fentanyl but that seems far-fetched to me. Anyway, off to wedinos they go.
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Hi @pharaoh

Did you ever send the Glasgow street valium in for testing? If so was just curious what results were?

Cheers,

BB
 
BadBoy377 said:
Hi @pharaoh

Did you ever send the Glasgow street valium in for testing? If so was just curious what results were?

Cheers,

BB
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www.independent.co.uk

Man who mass produced ‘street valium’ is jailed for four and a half years

Derek Dragsnes manufactured the drug etizolam at an industrial unit in North Lanarkshire.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Mostly it's etizolam because it's quite potent and it's produced in huge amounts in India. As you may know, most Indians simply cannot afford to see a doctor and so the local pharmacist fills the role (given that most consultations result in medication).

If one could simply BUY the benzodiazepine, diazepam only costs about $200/Kg. Actually as cheap per-dose as etizolam. But diazepam has a long duration of action so people would buy less.

That isn't to say flubromazolam won't turn up. It costs more to make but 0.2mg is active, and pill-makers simply work on a cost-per-unit basis.
 
AlsoTapered said:
www.independent.co.uk

Man who mass produced ‘street valium’ is jailed for four and a half years

Derek Dragsnes manufactured the drug etizolam at an industrial unit in North Lanarkshire.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

Mostly it's etizolam because it's quite potent and it's produced in huge amounts in India. As you may know, most Indians simply cannot afford to see a doctor and so the local pharmacist fills the role (given that most consultations result in medication).

If one could simply BUY the benzodiazepine, diazepam only costs about $200/Kg. Actually as cheap per-dose as etizolam. But diazepam has a long duration of action so people would buy less.

That isn't to say flubromazolam won't turn up. It costs more to make but 0.2mg is active, and pill-makers simply work on a cost-per-unit basis.
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Alot of bromazolam showing up in loose fake valiums in scotland. As in the MSJ's are mostly bromazepam now.

I'd only trust scripted brands like Galenika or Martin Dows personally at the moment. As i have sent some for Wedinos testing from my plug, posted the results earlier in this thread and came back as Diazepam only.
 
I presume bromazolam is more or less identical to alprazolam. A bit less potent weight-for-weight because the -Br has a higher MW than the -Cl it replaces (in alprazolam).
 
In theory in should be. But my all be it very limited experience so far with Bromazolam has not been good. I may have had some kind of contaminated batch with my fake alprazolam that turned out to be bromazolam.

I couldn't really feel any noticeable effects at the time, and then the day after I was severely brain fogged and out of it. Not at all like the generally fresh feeling I used to get after a good night sleep on a minimal dose of alprazolam, which I believe is especially good for sleep, as it does not disrupt REM sleep as much as most other benzos do.

There are many problems with fake pills, with not knowing what the precise doses actually are, as well as there being a higher likelihood of contaminants.
 
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Bleaney said:
In theory in should be. But my all be it very limited experience so far with Bromazolam has not been good. I may have had some kind of contaminated batch in my fake alprazolam that turned out to be bromazolam.

I couldn't really feel any noticeable effects at the time, and then the day after I was severely brain fogged and out of it. Not at all like the generally fresh feeling I used to get after a good night sleep on a minimal dose of alprazolam, which I believe is especially good for sleep, as it does not disrupt REM sleep as much as most other benzos do.

There are many problems with fake pills, with not knowing what the precise doses actually are, as well as there being a higher likelihood of contaminants.
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I am presuming it IS pure bromazolam. It's quite possible that active intermediates are present. I have had a LOT of experience dealing with RCs produced by Chinese companies and even when an NMR PROVES a compound is not as stated, they will still try arguing. I used ChemOffice to generate what the NMR SHOULD have been and then used it to identify what they had sent (it was supposed to be a K homologue but the -Cl was at the 4 position, not the 2 position).

In retrospect I think THEY honestly didn't know they had been ripped off because the GC-MS of both compounds was identical. But when I sent them the NMR data, they cancelled the invoice and didn't even ask for the material back - WE had to pay for it to be destroyed.
 
day 5
along with bud and bupre.
It is incredible how clonazepam affects to decision making if you suffer of lack of sense of security.
Suddenly, everything is possible. And world is beautiful and filled with details gone unnoticed in survival mode.
That is, until tolerance develops and it becomes the most boring and tormenting reality.
 
Normal to thin Bromazolam pellet
nd these from normal to thin pellets from my vendor, friends of mine never have this problem, last week they sent me 10 pellets for compensation, but a new order yesterday I keep finding them and it's just not 3mg. maybe 2mg. I again sent them pictures, but they have the most choice in substances, and with other pellets like Norflurazepam I never have this problem.
 
Anybody worried about Bensedin lately? My go to brand for years now. Last year they changed their brand packaging and some fakes were going around (they used to have a red triangle on the strip). I got them tested at that point as I thought they were bunk/chalk due to lack of that diazepam taste but they contained bromazolam to my surprise. Anyway the brand changed and they became reliable again but recent samples are showing bromazolam but also in a couple of samples with bromaz and an unusual opiate (can't remember the name but you'll see it on wedinos). I have strips with the black font and now a dark blue font so I'm worried that a similar thing is happening with the brand change. They all taste "right" and feel right but I can't get them tested at the moment as I'm away on work. Worried about potential opiates given that I have a buvidal jab coming up and I've noticed some constipation but that could be from the last jab.

Anyway has anybody had any tested lately? Any thoughts? I hate losing a reliable brand and source - I was off them for a while but I'm not in a position to taper now. If only the doctors would deal with this issue as they do with opiates. Especially when you look at the street valium problem - people in hard times eating 20 tablets at a time on top of methadone, heroin, crack. It's a disaster. I use diazepam as it simply works and I hate having to rely on the black market.

Anyway rant over.
 
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