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EADD Benzo Discussion V. I forget

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I had a sample recently of Etizest brand of Etizolam and found them to be very nice indeed, will certainly get some more when possible.
They are 1mg pills but rather than round & blue they are pink & an oblong shape.
 
My doctor showers me in these. I have free NHS temazepam, diazepam and lorazepam coming out of my ears ! I very rarely use them so have basically no tolerance. Despite this I still managed to have a mini benzo/stim induced blackout episode:

For some reason I decided to use a free sample of Xanax from my dealer to ease anxiety on a recent stim comedown from Hell. This was after a 3 week+ binge with very little sleep, so mildly psychotic already.
Not realising how different the dosage was to diazepam (despite researching - I was tweaking hard at this time) I popped three pills of 2mg Xanax. Bear in mind I also am pretty small - I weigh around 7.5 stone.

I had a total blackout, found wandering in the Debenhams perfume department and ended up in local psychiatric ward :! :( :| Still finding out things I did whilst on that psychotic blackout...

My own stupid fault , not the benzos , but still DAMNIT Xanax!! 8)
 
Well, currently only diaz and temaz with the quetiapine But to answer your question, I think a bit of both!
It's the CMHT doctor that prescribes those rather than my GP.
 
Well the 100mg of Xanax powder in solution got done in 8 days, with some given away to mates etc.. Never really thought much of it..

Today a friend gave me 6 top notch valiums, 2 terapia/raxbury which are Romanian scripts as some may know, top notch EU benzos according to mate.. well 2 of them this morning did literally nothing. He also gave me 4 x 10mg Apaurins which are always usually decent, they also did nothing. Maybe a slight effect but usually off even 30-40mg of diazepam I'd be cruising, even my skin would feel chilled. Today the 60mg of diazepam felt like I'd done about 10mg.

Surely I can't have racked up some monster benzo tolerance like that with just a week of daily alprazolam dosing?
 
OK so i Know etiz is technically not a benzo yada yada.. but iv recently been dancing with these little blue devils and was wondering if id need to taper after around 2 weeks use? Primarily my use was anything from 0.5mg - 5mg daily but recently settled to around 1.5mg a day with noticable changes like mood swings, trouble sleeping and generally more irritable/stressed/depressed. Should i stabilise my dosage for a week and slowly taper or should i be ok to drop say 0.25mg every couple days?
 
Two weeks is really not very long and that is not a massive dose. If it was me, I'd drop 0.5mg every two days and just keep a close eye on how I felt.

You could probably stop CT but better safe than sorry.

edit: Oh wait are you saying that having dropped to 1.5mg you've suffered all those problems? In that case maybe best be a bit more gradual. Was there any particular reason you were taking them regularly?
 
Usage of two weeks would usually not warrant a taper. Being on them for longer will only make withdrawals worst. With gabaergics, length of use has a much larger impact than dosage. Someone who's been using 2 milligrams of diazepam for 6 years will get much heavier withdrawals than someone using 60 milligrams of diazepam for 2 years.

I suggest an extremely short taper of a weeks tops. From a neurochemical stand-point, tapering minimizes harm to the brain as it allows homeostasis to be achieved gradually.
 
Agreed.

Two weeks ain't long and not a big dose. But a quick taper would not be a bad idea, play it safe. You could be sensitive to them and you don't want to risk feeling fucking shit.
 
I'd also want to know how you're dosing that, is it all in one go or spread over the day? Because as it has a shortish half-life if it's all eaten at the start of the day it'll be clear of your system by next dose anyway so you'd essentially be stopping CT and starting again every day.
 
thanks for the replies. il stick to 1.5mg spaced thru the day for another 2 days then drop 0.25 each day. Iv got too much on my plate to be functioning while riddled with anxiety. I have some kava kava and valerian i can use for sleep if i do run into problems but it hopefully wont be too bad.

(edit) my dosage was spaced throughout the day.
 
Surely I can't have racked up some monster benzo tolerance like that with just a week of daily alprazolam dosing?
I already said in the thread about 3 times already, that the tollerance to it is a BITCH.

And I have no experience with benzos really. The ones I had tried Loraz, diaz do fuck all for me.

I recon it's probably because xanax is a fast acting one. It doesn't leave your system as quickly as the info on it states tho.

If I wasn't being super careful with them now, I could easy be gubbing 8mg an evening/night without a 2nd thought
 
That's because benzodiazepines are hardly recreational. People who have anxiety disorders usually perceive recreation from them due to a relief in symptoms. It's like being sick from opioid withdrawal and getting well. Getting well alone is a high in itself.

Alprazolam tends to be the only one to induce euphoria, as it's been shown to be the only benzodiazepine which is as effective as fluoxetine in relieving depression.
 
I already said in the thread about 3 times already, that the tollerance to it is a BITCH.

And I have no experience with benzos really. The ones I had tried Loraz, diaz do fuck all for me.

I recon it's probably because xanax is a fast acting one. It doesn't leave your system as quickly as the info on it states tho.

If I wasn't being super careful with them now, I could easy be gubbing 8mg an evening/night without a 2nd thought

Does this mean I will need to taper down then? I think I was doing at least 5mg of Xanax a day for 8 days, 60mg diazepam not done much at all today. I have work tomorrow. I absolutely do not want to get into doing benzos daily this all came about from pointless weeknight dosing of Xanax with a few drinks.. I should have 50 (possibly shite) blues anyway but should I taper down to be sure I don't feel sketchy?

Or is only 1 week of benzo use even if it one with a short half-life like Xanax just not enough to experience any W/D like symptoms?
 
What kind of doses of etizolam am i looking at for getting off 24/7 gbl?, 50 etis coming 2moz, i might wait and grab 50 more at end of week atleast i can feel shitty over the weekend

How long have you been on the GBL?

Benzodiazepines have to be used carefully, otherwise you'll trade one dependance for another. Sometimes, they hardly touch the symptoms of severe GBL withdrawal due to a difference in receptor occupancy. Benzodiazepines are agonists at GABA-A, while GBL is active at GABA-B.

If you want the best possible treatment for GBL withdrawal, you need gabapentin/pregabalin, baclofen, and a benzodiazepine.
 
Does this mean I will need to taper down then? I think I was doing at least 5mg of Xanax a day for 8 days, 60mg diazepam not done much at all today. I have work tomorrow. I absolutely do not want to get into doing benzos daily this all came about from pointless weeknight dosing of Xanax with a few drinks.. I should have 50 (possibly shite) blues anyway but should I taper down to be sure I don't feel sketchy?

Or is only 1 week of benzo use even if it one with a short half-life like Xanax just not enough to experience any W/D like symptoms?

A taper for a weeks use is probably ill advised for such a short period of time. Your doses are pretty high though so expect some tough rebound anxiety, insomnia, and depression for about a 4-7 days.
 
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