EADD Benzo Discussion V. I forget

[Marmalade]

Does this mean I will need to taper down then? I think I was doing at least 5mg of Xanax a day for 8 days, 60mg diazepam not done much at all today. I have work tomorrow. I absolutely do not want to get into doing benzos daily this all came about from pointless weeknight dosing of Xanax with a few drinks.. I should have 50 (possibly shite) blues anyway but should I taper down to be sure I don't feel sketchy?

Or is only 1 week of benzo use even if it one with a short half-life like Xanax just not enough to experience any W/D like symptoms?

No idea. I have my own way of doing things. ie: I just stop, or reduce to a sensible level I'm happy to permanently stick with. I've been using them for less than a month. This is probably not advisable or HR friendly, but it's how I've always done it. I don't notice withdrawals, I assume that whatever I'm feeling (if I've ever had WD) is for something else entirely

Like I said previously too, doing xanax while at work AND on speed was a pretty daft idea and not sustainable in the first place. I'd have a complete rethink on why youre taking drugs in the first place and how you're gonna manage a sensible plan when using them going forward.

[edit]
and if that sounded a bit sanctimoniously preachy-cunty ... it's probably cos it was ;p

 

[yoyo50]

6-7 months this "run", altho i had a 4 day break on baclofen only use the g to sleep and even after 4 days my sleeping dose got me nearer 4h instead of 2h,
I think i will get some more baclofen and use them during the day and then few etizolam to get sleep, i could even grab some Phenibut!

 

[matt<3ketamine]

thanks for the replies. il stick to 1.5mg spaced thru the day for another 2 days then drop 0.25 each day. Iv got too much on my plate to be functioning while riddled with anxiety. I have some kava kava and valerian i can use for sleep if i do run into problems but it hopefully wont be too bad.

(edit) my dosage was spaced throughout the day.

Best of luck mate, they can be a nuisance to get off, even if it's lower doses they can play on ur head a fair bit, if ya are in need of a chat just hit us up as I know what it's like sadly

Might get some etiz to help when I get onto subs soon, sleep is my only problem, as long as I have my sleep pattern sorted I'm confident I'll be better by early next year feelin positive, anyone any recommendations for sleep when going through WDs that are not benzos? Headfuck, I remember that valerian root stuff you had at dome, recon that could help?

 

[Brap]

Yeah you is def. nuts .

This is likely

anyone any recommendations for sleep when going through WDs that are not benzos? Headfuck, I remember that valerian root stuff you had at dome, recon that could help?

Have you tried Phenibut ?
I've heard from others it helps with both benzo withdrawal and sleep. It's still legal in the UK as far as I know, bought mine from a health supplement supplier.

 

[matt<3ketamine]

I've never used it or thought about that, sounds like it could be worth a go? Is it expensive compared to benzos?

 

[pasha]

Phenibut is a GABA-B agonist, unlike benzodiazepines, and most evidence points towards there being no cross-tolerance between GABA-A and GABA-B agonists.

Having said that, phenibut carries a risk of dependance, addiction, and withdrawal. If you were to switch to it, trading addictions is probable.

Valerian may or may not work. If you have a high tolerance to gabaergics, chances are it wont touch it. Go for melatonin instead to help you sleep. If you're getting on suboxone, that may very well completely resolve your insomnia, as opioids are excellent at inducing sleep.

 

[matt<3ketamine]

Cheers for the advice guys! Hopefully something will work without trading addictions

 

[headfuck123]

Best of luck mate, they can be a nuisance to get off, even if it's lower doses they can play on ur head a fair bit, if ya are in need of a chat just hit us up as I know what it's like sadly

Might get some etiz to help when I get onto subs soon, sleep is my only problem, as long as I have my sleep pattern sorted I'm confident I'll be better by early next year feelin positive, anyone any recommendations for sleep when going through WDs that are not benzos? Headfuck, I remember that valerian root stuff you had at dome, recon that could help?

Thanks Matt! The annoying thing is i knew for sure this would happen but they were only a click away and were an easy option. Gona nip it in the bud early though, noticed i have a really short fuse in work etc recently and usually im pretty easy going.

hope all works out for you mate and if you need a chat dont hesitate! Valerian slightly helped me with minor rebound anxiety and insomnia a few months back after a month or so on diaz. But tbh there is no recreational benefit at all with them. Maybe kava kava root could help though, Iv been using it recently and it is more sedating and euphoric but again its quite subtle. If you still want natures remedies maybe try kratom, duno much about that one tho.

 

[wcote]

That's because benzodiazepines are hardly recreational. People who have anxiety disorders usually perceive recreation from them due to a relief in symptoms. It's like being sick from opioid withdrawal and getting well. Getting well alone is a high in itself.

Alprazolam tends to be the only one to induce euphoria, as it's been shown to be the only benzodiazepine which is as effective as fluoxetine in relieving depression.

I'm sorry but that is simple not true. Plenty of people take benzos for recreational reasons, not because they have anxiety issues but because its nice to be in a benzo bubble.

Alprazolam is not the only one to induce euphroia , plenty of others do.

I'm not sure what your experience is but what your saying is incorrect, I know too many people who take them for recreational reasons who do not take due to anxiety.

Sorry if I'm coming across as all high and mighty but I simple disagree. I know I do sometimes, but I'm not saying your wrong and I'm definitely right.

 

[pasha]

I respect your opinion as many others share it. I don't think a true and false exists, because anything can be defined as euphoric. It's not exactly a precisely defined term. I don't think benzodiazepines are euphoriants. As a matter of fact, they tend to be rather dysphoric.

I probably should have said "out of the commonly prescribed benzodiazepines".

If you search the site for "benzodiazepine recreational" you'll find that this is a popular topic of debate. Most people are one way, or the other. For me, benzodiazepine are effective anxiolytics, and the relief of anxiety in itself feels good. I don't mistake that for euphoria.

Here someone that explains it better than I did in this thread:

The bomber's succinct explanation is accurate. It is indeed pleasurable to be suddenly relieved of all cares and I would surmise that benzodiazepine administration catalyzes some other mechanism that produces pleasure (some species of endorphin maybe). I'd hasten to call this euphoria: it has a different flavor than, say, the euphoria caused by MDMA, cocaine or heroin. It's safe to say, I think, that by themselves benzodiazepines do not engender a pleasurable rush; instead they ameliorate some obstacle to plenary contentment, dolce far niente or the peace that passeth understanding (the Upanishad's "Shantih"), if only for a little while. I admit, tho, that I've never tried parenteral midazolam.

If someone can posit a mechanism that fits, supports or refutes the above, please do.

I disagree that benzodiazepines are superior to alcohol in terms of fuck-it-all-iality. A half liter of 80-proof vodka, consumed over the course of an hour, has been shown to make this writer engage in spontaneous and heroic acts of sexual aggression (consensual!). Benzos have failed to precipitate this behavior, or anything close to it.

Here's another good thread in NPD:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/683128-Benzodiazepine-Euphoria-Mechanism

 

[swedger77]

quick question........half bottle of vodka and etizolam...........how many do you think is safe my HR fans?

 

[wcote]

Well to be proper HR none.

But if you want it all depends on your toleration to both.

I would start with one and let it kick in, and then go slow with the vodka.

But as you may know its really risky, I know too many people who have died mixing downers with booze, I would say booze is the most risky downer to mix with.

 

[knock]

Depends on how much etiz. 1mg = OK. 10mg = wrecking ball to your life.


I'm on etiz and wine. It's euphoric, although I was feeling GBL withdrawals before so I guess I just took a tight shoe off.

 

[headfuck123]

quick question........half bottle of vodka and etizolam...........how many do you think is safe my HR fans?

bad idea imo. At the weekend i had some etiz earlier in the day and when i went out drinking didnt feel them but could hardly finish a bottle of wine. Also start with the etiz before the alcohol if you do decide to mix. this way you will know when to stop drinking instead of being confident when drunk, eating the etiz and running into big trouble.

 

[wcote]

The problem is you get drunk then get confidence to munch more and more. Might be fine this time but its easy to get caught out.

 

[knock]

I hide away my etiz PG solution in the freezer after I've done enough (4mg tonight). Means I have to brave the cold if I want to get locked up for the night. A freezer padlock would probably help though.

 

[benzoman12345]

Anyone any experience with Oxazepam ??

I got 30 x 30mg delivered today PURATA it says on the bag, loose pink just a score on them, I've had 10 on top of my usual Valium all day, and nothing noticeable, wonder if they are underdosed or just really mild ?

 

[swedger77]

I took 4mg the other week on top of a half bottle of vodka. I survived. But weirdly (for me any way) i felt pretty high (afterglow) the next day. Had loads of confidence.......is this a expected result?

 

[pasha]

Anyone any experience with Oxazepam ??

I got 30 x 30mg delivered today PURATA it says on the bag, loose pink just a score on them, I've had 10 on top of my usual Valium all day, and nothing noticeable, wonder if they are underdosed or just really mild ?

Oxazepam is an extremely weak benzodiazepine. Probably about as potent as chlorodiazepoxide.

 

[benzoman12345]

Well I know that now . I just bought it cos I'm trying new benzos lol, I actually like Librium, combined with Valium really chills me out , Prob just keep them Oxazepams in the back up box