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Drugs and Family

I would explain the pros and cons of different drugs, having done many of them. I would explain which ones to avoid because they have no real benefit. I would let them know the risks of doing drugs before their brain is finished developing, and how that can affect their life down the road. I would invite them to do drugs in my home where they will be safer if they want to experiment, but that they would have to make sure they are living up to their responsibilities: school, work, etc.

Basically I would take an educational yet harm reductive approach. I can't really forbid them from doing anything because although they are my child, they still have their own path in life I can't really control what they want to put in their own bodies. I know because I was an adolescent who completely ignored the propaganda of authority and my own parents.

Substances should have an integrative approach from day one. It's not just about getting mind altered or fucked up, there are substances we use all the time in our daily lives that we don't regard on the same level that do have impacts on our bodies: different kinds of foods, socially acceptable drugs like sugar, caffeine and alcohol; herbs and supplements, etc.

I would try to teach my child that substances that affect your body are all around you and are a simple part of life, but you have to develop discretion and discernment concerning their uses and your needs/desires.
 
My oldest daughter is almost 23. I've always been really open with her about drugs. I grew and smoked weed and never tried to hide it. She smoked her first bowl with me when she was 14. I never did lines right in front of her, but I've always been honest about my drug use, and about the drugs themselves. I don't know if this is the right approach. She's tried quite a few drugs, but never been out of control with it. Cannabis is the only thing that's ever been habitual. But she bombed out of college in the first semester from partying too much. Would she have done the same if I'd been a prohibitive parent? Sometimes i wonder....

I have 2 little ones now, 8, and 1.5. I'm the same way with them, not because I'm so sure it's the right way, but because I'm not very good at being fake.
 
Loose honesty. For instance leaving out the "pros" of the pros and cons list. Facts will be self-evident. As well they'll be given enough propaganda through the system. Then advise they stick to pot if anything and wait until they develop their frontal lobe while in the meantime building a work and study habit. I'm not ashamed of my drug use but if I stuck to the advice above; things would've gone a lot smoother. Also, once you get a taste for the altered, you damage the ability in being content with sobriety (in my experiences).
 
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Foreigner said:
Basically I would take an educational yet harm reductive approach. I can't really forbid them from doing anything because although they are my child, they still have their own path in life I can't really control what they want to put in their own bodies. I know because I was an adolescent who completely ignored the propaganda of authority and my own parents.

Substances should have an integrative approach from day one. It's not just about getting mind altered or fucked up, there are substances we use all the time in our daily lives that we don't regard on the same level that do have impacts on our bodies: different kinds of foods, socially acceptable drugs like sugar, caffeine and alcohol; herbs and supplements, etc.

I would try to teach my child that substances that affect your body are all around you and are a simple part of life, but you have to develop discretion and discernment concerning their uses and your needs/desires.
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That sounds very reasonable. I remember what I was like as a teen, and this is exactly the kind of advice that I needed to hear at the time.
I think it's important to treat teenagers as responsible persons, and to respect their intelligence and their need to experiment when it comes to drug use. Repression is counter-productive.
 
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1. Explain that natural "drugs" from the Earth are likely to cause less harm than synthetic ones.And explain the consequences of using addictive drugs(though a handful of synthetic ones have their place)

2. Tell them if they ever want to try a drug,ask and I will let them under my strict supervision and guidance(no younger than 14 though),this would b their one pass with that drug and if they were 2 start using it habitually and I find out,their wud b strict and dire consequences(excluding marijuana of course,lol).

3. At the age of 13,allow them to experience a natural psychedelic such as mushrooms under my guidance. I feel that during this age of change that with the proper guide,they cud understand and deal with the change of teenage issues,thereby decreasing the chance of falling to issues that often lead 2 drug use.
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So would you be fine with your kids doing datura, and opium; they are natural yet far from safe. Telling them that natural is better bs is very very dangerous information. A drugs molecular structure and its action in your body is what matters not whether it was made by evolution or in a lab. Also 13 is way way too young for psychedelics.
 
oh yeah wtf is with this natural bullshit. If you are a parent of a child you owe it to them not to fall for this stuff, whether it is synthetic or natural, does not make one single difference, they are chemicals.

I think you seriously need to learn more about drugs and psychedelics before ever considering allowing your own kids to have such an experience. Most kids cannot handle a trip, even at 16 i was not ready for it and didn't gain anything from tripping until many years later. And never again use '2' to replace the word 'to'. They do not mean the same things. Your children will thank you for this later.
 
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Yo I did shrooms at 14 n I was high as shit hahaha!

But yeh I believe in learnin through experience. I don't think 'talkin' to them bout drugs will do anythin to change the way my kid will turn out. I mean I'm addicted to opiates ima just tellem to never fuckin lie to me bout what they've done and just as long as they understand the consequences its all on them.
 
a 13 year old doing hallucinogens with their parent?

i would explain to my children they're going to want to experiment with drugs, it is natural, but PLEASE remember that your mother (me) had severe problems with addiction, as does the majority of her family, and diseases like that tend to run in families so they're predisposed to have an addictive nature about their personality. so keep that in mind
 
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Sweetie, no. 13 is way too young. At that age they are just becoming assholes.

I don't claim to be an expert, but I've done well so far. My oldest is 16. He is working on his AA while in high school. He told me about his dabbles in weed 2 years ago. But he will not do anything now so he doesnt fail his future polygraph :) the little shit wants a future in law enforcement.

Point being, the kid has goals. I've explained to him the disparity in drug/alcohol use and it's legislation and the use itself. He's decided for himself it isn't a wise decision for a child to make. Our job is to produce wise humans. It isn't going to happen getting fukked up with them at 13.


I'm waiting until 20.
 
If I were a parent (I'm not) the conversation would be very simple. Something along the lines of "drugs can either make your life infinitely better or infinitely worse, it all depends how responsible you are and if you're ready or not for x substance".

As for the whole "natural drugs are less harmful" thing, that's somewhat misleading. MDMA is synthetic and I've known, uh, let's see...nobody dependent on it. Meanwhile, I know a handful of people who have royally fucked up their life with poppy pods.

The fact of the matter is that some drugs are more cruel to the irresponsible user than others. Nature has little to do with it, and this planet produces just as many chemicals that will fuck you every which way as chemists and the pharmaceutical industry do (also the whole distinction between "natural" and "synthetic" is kind of redundant considering that those synthetic chemicals came out of of our natural biosphere, created from human-made resources that were initially created from resources supplied by nature).

Now...13 is very young for a psychedelic experience. 13 is only very slightly past the age where the process of emotional maturity and understanding of the world STARTS. A psychedelic experience is an important part of one's character development in my opinion, but it shouldn't occur until that process is nearing completion.

So maybe, I'd say 17 or so. That's what it was for me, at least...but some people aren't ready until they're in their 20's and some people aren't ever ready, period. It really depends on person specifically.
 
Sorry, this post got a bit long - it's mainly about family though....!


RodJonse said:
Now...13 is very young for a psychedelic experience. 13 is only very slightly past the age where the process of emotional maturity and understanding of the world STARTS. A psychedelic experience is an important part of one's character development in my opinion, but it shouldn't occur until that process is nearing completion.

So maybe, I'd say 17 or so. That's what it was for me, at least...but some people aren't ready until they're in their 20's and some people aren't ever ready, period. It really depends on person specifically.
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My first LSD was at 15 and between weekly and monthly for two years hence. I completely agree - it has potential to be greatly formative at such a stupid age! In many ways it's amazing I'm capable of rational thought... I am aren't I? I can define 'Economically Rational' and describe the inherent problems involved with so-called Economic 'Rationality' at a socio-political level. So yeah, I've still got a piece of my brain.

Family is difficult. I was difficult for my parents to manage. I created so much distance between us at an early age, that by the time drugs were involved they didn't get a look-in. They still loved me and the extent of advice was 'I don't mind you smoking a joint at a party or something.' No buts - no provisos. So no advice like: "BUT, YOU SHOULD BE WITH PEOPLE YOU TRUST 100%" or "AND DON'T EVEN LOOK AT LSD, SPEED AND ECSTACY." None of that. Just 'only smoke pot at parties'.

Thing is no-one really understood how much LSD, Speed and Pills were getting into our school - particularly in my year. It was Rave Time! The rave scene was pulsing with change. At the local, poorly-managed high school, the head, teachers, governors and parents were pretty much completely oblivious to the situation, which involved key members of my peer group entering into informal business arrangements with certain dealers. This whole situation led to 15 year-olds tripping on Dancing Hearts blotters at 11am! On their way to History lessons! I did loads of blotters and microdots over the next 2 years. Now I look back and wonder how the hell I took so much Acid and remained (fairly) sane!

My parents - I'm sure - were aware of my weed smoking. By the time I had left school, I was going to raves etc.

Anyway, this isn't my life story. Sorry. I think my point is that my family may have been more protective, had they been better aware of the situation. I guess you could extend this point to say that if the School and the community had been better integrated - they may have sooner realised something was going on.

So what am I going to be like as a father re drugs?

As a response, maybe I'm going to be more protective over my child? When they hit 12-13 will I be constantly watching the streets around them? Sussing out who's selling, scoring, scoring for a friend?

Possibly. Probably - in fact.

I'll see it all happenning - my worry is that I'll also see it when it's not happenning. Either way, I'll keep shtum and just use my observations in conversation with my adolescent - indirectly, you know, to elicit their views on individuals. Once I've decided which ones are really the dealers: I'll go all Bruce Willis (but a Kratom-stoned one - that's all I'll be able to take by then) and whoop their behinds.

Nah, I'm not that good, really. I'd just probably mention my concerns to my adolescent offspring, see what they say. Then talk to my partner, then agree how to tackle it. It might depend on the substance and definitely on who was involved, but I think I'd be cool as long there wasn't an addiction problem.

That's the boring version. In reality, it'll go,

"Dad, it's x's birthday and I need some cash to get her a present for her party".

To which I'll reply:

"Sorry, spent it all on crack."
<canned Laughter>

Nothing like bein prepared, hey? Few years before that comes - but family has to be the most important thing.

Long reply - semi biographical, mainly relevant or semi-relevant... I hope?
 
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Ugh, my mom was in legit pain (dad broke discs in her neck years ago and back pain)... they cut her vic script down and so she asked me to hit up my dealers for her. It was really hard for her to ask and she didn't want to but I told her just tell me... I already knew... it was weird coping hydromorphone for your mom (dealer was out of vics and only had that,methadone and heroin). My dealers know her and were cool with her before... so anyways I went to their place and then my mom showed up..m the most awkward situation of my life. It was also gut wrenching...

She is totally against drug use like that though and wants me to be clean. So as I copped for her she told me not to buy anything for myself. All I could think was, uhhhhh. Luckily she realized how bad her dependence has gotten and actually weaned herself off vic and switched medications. Now she tells me how she wants to smoke weed instead for her pain. I was like??????? Lol, cause this came out of nowhere, but it's so awesome =D

I also just recently did heroin with my brother over winter break....m it eas so weird and felt so wrong. It was his idea however and he picked up for me. All I can say is hard drugs and family is a no. Weed, alcohol and psychedelics are fine but not hard drugs..... too weird.
 
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