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VelocideX said:
So you succumb to peer pressure? How spineless are you?
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I'm sorry we seem to be talking cross purposes here or I haven't made myself clear.
These are not things I do but these are things that happen. I was trying to inject some humour i.e. Personal stupidity award and driving cos' you're mates made you ... I was joking.
 
VelocideX said:
You're saying that people are incapable of not doing drugs. <snip>
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No what I'm saying is telling everyone that they must not drive while under the influence is almost as pointless as telling people they shouldn't take drugs .... they will do whatever they want because they know better.
It's clearly a foolhardy venture and life threatening.

That's life, that's the human condition and that was my point .. no more no less.
 
For me its like this.

Driving + Alcohol = No go, way to fast to keep up the thinking process
Driving + Speed = Concentrated like nothing else, so OK
Driving + MDMA = I can feel the car alot more and automaticly you drive slow. But can't find the way like when your sober (can't see the map in head, even when its not far from home) OK for me though (even high psychadelic doses)
Driving + LSD = no go (maybe on one tab in the comeup, but not when peaking)
Driving + Weed = if you done it before, OK, if not be really carefull
Driving + Coke = I'm like a rally pilot, Allways going real fast, so not OK i think. though i drive really well on it.
 
i've driven under the influence of alcohol and am TRULY lucky that i didn't get into a car accident (with the exception of backing into a parked car in a parking lot). i was 16, extremely stupid and extremely wreckless. i think that driving under the influence of ANYTHING that impairs your judgment is a bad idea.

i guess in a sense i'm being hypocritical because i did get arrested for my DUI, BUT i am a different, more responsible person now than i was 4 years ago and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that driving under the influence is a bad and dangerous thing to do. i really hope that the BLers here are smart enough to know what damage can be done by driving under the influence.

and to the person that said they've never gotten a ticket...you may think you're invincible, but you're not and you're naive to think so. just because you don't get into an accident or don't get a ticket today doesn't mean you won't tomorrow. remember that every day is a blessing, you're not guaranteed a certain amount of time on this planet. maybe i cherish life a little more because i'm a mother, but you need to realize that even if you don't care what happens, there are others that do.
 
darkcloudnine said:
I personally love driving on E and it makes me a better driver not a worse driver. Weed is the same way for me.
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You're chatting rubbish! Those substances do the opposite to improving your mental and physical skills. It's just the drugs giving you false confidense and you obviously haven't a clue of the way these drugs effect your mind and body!

Drink/drunk drivers should get harsher punishments!

Drugs get a bad enough name as it is without fools using it irresponsibly!
 
Sorry if I sound harsh but I've seen some very upseting/disturbing pictures of vehicle accidents and one of which a 17 years old girl who had her face completely burnt off as the results of drink a driver smashing into her car! Thats someones life completly ruined because someone was too selffish to think of the consquences of there actions! Not to mention all the people around the victim and the driver themselves. Cars are death machines if not respected and controlled properly!
 
darkcloudnine said:
I personally love driving on E and it makes me a better driver not a worse driver. Weed is the same way for me.
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Bullshit. Complete bullshit.

What makes you a better driver? You concentrate more? You drive slower? Whatever it is, why the fuck don't you do that when you're sober then? Or are you just "less wreckless" when you're high?

Even if you think you're less wreckless your reaction speed and concentration will be way down!
 
i've driven when scatt... was the worst.. i coped a speeding fine for my troubles...but other then that one time..never before...only when im stoned like a monkey...i drive 20km/h lol when i think im flying at 70km/h :p
 
Everyone knows that driving under the influence of any substance is dangerous, but people will still do it no matter what. Lots of people here have surely done it, including myself. I have driven on acid, shrooms, acid and shrooms mixed, x, candyflippin, benzos, heroin, alcohol, and basically everything. It is irresponsible indeed, but I dont think that will prevent anyone from doing it. People are still going to do it no matter what anyone says. If there is any doubt in your mind that you cant drive, then dont. I think driving under the influence is a really bad idea, but no matter what, people will always do it.

Just think that every time you are nehind the wheel, your life and everyone elses life can be determined by your doings. DONT DRIVE UNDER THE INFLUENCE, but if you do, good luck
 
^^^^ The day you crash, let us know, and you'll know why it was! Its the people that are too confident thats always come a cropper!
 
AnonAce said:
You can argue all you like, while you have blind assertion, I have facts & years of experience.
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So by your logic because it hasn't happened yet, its never going to happen?

Yeah, great one 8)
 
No, that's not what I was saying at all. My point is simply someone who is an experienced driver, and equally experienced with intoxicants (like weed or whatever else), may be capable of determining whether or not they are able to drive at some degree of intoxication. To blindly assert that they aren't is a baseless argument, which was the other point. I admit in my first post that many people are probably incapable of controlling their intoxication, and thus I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to everyone.

-AA
 
A recent debate was raised here in Australia a couple of weeks ago about truckies taking speed and then driving for about (no shit) 30 hours so they can get the job done on time. Now when i drive at night in rural parts i pray that every truckie is on speed and not about to fall asleep and plow straight into me.
 
yes i've heard this aswell..truck drivers are a few drugs to keep them awake at the wheel...i hope they all get caught..i hate truckies :|
 
AnonAce said:
No, that's not what I was saying at all. My point is simply someone who is an experienced driver, and equally experienced with intoxicants (like weed or whatever else), may be capable of determining whether or not they are able to drive at some degree of intoxication. To blindly assert that they aren't is a baseless argument, which was the other point. I admit in my first post that many people are probably incapable of controlling their intoxication, and thus I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to everyone.

-AA
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I can understand to a point, like how there is a limit for alcohol but other drugs have far more effects not to mention it's impossible to know the exact content in a pill or some weed like alcohol. The point at determining whether or not they are able to drive, in my opinion would have too be a very low level of intoxication.
 
AnonAce said:
Velocide

You can argue all you like, while you have blind assertion, I have facts & years of experience.




-AA
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Really?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...d&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14870949&query_hl=1
J Psychopharmacol. 2003 Dec;17(4):379-87.
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Dissociable effects of a single dose of ecstasy (MDMA) on psychomotor skills and attentional performance.

Lamers CT, Ramaekers JG, Muntjewerff ND, Sikkema KL, Samyn N, Read NL, Brookhuis KA, Riedel WJ.

Experimental Psychopharmacology Unit, Brain and Behaviour Institute, Maastricht University, Maastricht, The Netherlands. [email protected]

Ecstasy (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine, MDMA) is a psychoactive recreational drug widely used by young people visiting dance parties, and has been associated with poor cognitive function. The current study assessed the influence of a single dose of MDMA 75 mg and alcohol 0.5 g/kg on cognition, psychomotor performance and driving-related task performance. Twelve healthy recreational ecstasy users participated in an experimental study conducted according to a double-blind, double-dummy, placebo-controlled three-way cross-over design. MDMA improved psychomotor performance, such as movement speed and tracking performance in a single task, as well as in a divided attention task. MDMA impaired the ability to predict object movement under divided attention. However, the inability to accurately predict object movement after MDMA may indicate impairment of particular performance skills relevant to driving. There was no effect of MDMA on visual search, planning or retrieval from semantic memory.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...d&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14714102&query_hl=1
Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2004 May;173(3-4):440-5. Epub 2004 Jan 9.
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Effects of MDMA (ecstasy), and multiple drugs use on (simulated) driving performance and traffic safety.

Brookhuis KA, de Waard D, Samyn N.

Department of Psychology, University of Groningen, Grote Kruisstraat 2/1, 9712 TS Groningen, The Netherlands. [email protected]

RATIONALE: The effects of MDMA on driving behaviour are not clear, since the direct effects of MDMA on cognitive performance are reported as not generally negative. OBJECTIVES: To assess in an advanced driving simulator acute effects on simulated driving behaviour and heart rate of MDMA, and effects of polydrug use. METHODS: A group of young participants who had indicated that they regularly used MDMA were asked to complete test rides in an advanced driving simulator, shortly after the use of MDMA, just before going to a party. They were tested again after having visited the "rave", while they were under the influence of MDMA and a number of different other active drugs. Participants were also tested sober, at a comparable time at night. Separately, a control group of participants was included in the experiment. RESULTS: Driving performance in the sense of lateral and longitudinal vehicle control was not greatly affected after MDMA, but deteriorated after multiple drug use. The most striking result was the apparent decreased sense for risk taking, both after MDMA and after multiple drug use. This was clear from gap acceptance data, while the ultimate indicator of unsafe driving, accident involvement or even causation, was increased by 100% and 150%, respectively. CONCLUSIONS: Driving under the influence of MDMA alone is certainly not safe; however, driving back (home) after a dance party ("rave") where MDMA users regularly combine MDMA with a host of other drugs can be described as extremely dangerous.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...d&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11714155&query_hl=1
J Forensic Sci. 2001 Nov;46(6):1426-33.
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3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, ecstasy) and driving impairment.

Logan BK, Couper FJ.

Washington State Toxicology Laboratory, Bureau of Forensic Laboratory Services, Washington State Patrol, Seattle 98134, USA. [email protected]

3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine, or MDMA, is increasing in popularity in the United States as a drug of abuse. It has stimulant and empathogenic mood altering properties with the potential to affect psychomotor skills and impact driving. This report reviews the literature relating to the relevant psychomotor effects of the drug, the relationship between dose and blood concentrations, and studies and case reports on specific effects of the drug on driving. The latter reports include both laboratory driving simulator studies and anecdotal reports, and case series. We also report details of eighteen cases of apparent MDMA impaired driving, including six drivers whose blood tested positive for MDMA alone. Most subjects displayed muscle twitching and body tremors, dilated pupils, slow pupillary reaction to light, elevated pulse and blood pressure, lack of balance and coordination, and most were perspiring profusely. Five of the six subjects were given field sobriety tests (one leg stand, walk and turn test), and all five performed poorly. There was no clear correlation between the blood concentration of MDMA and the specific demeanor of the subject. These findings are consistent with other reports, and lead to the conclusion that MDMA use is not consistent with safe driving, and that impairment of various types may persist for a considerable time after last use.
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If you have a look at cause of death statistics for ecstasy related deaths, some 75% of them involve driving on ecstasy. I just wrote a paper on this, I can dig out the research if anyone cares.
 
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