Opioids Dr is trying to get me off Oxy & switch to Suboxone

[Scoliosis]

Having to !@#$ walk to - or take public transit to the pharma every morning 1st thing.

Also, i regularly leave the city on the weekends and have been doing so for the past 10-15 yrs - at least 2-3 weekends per month*

this way i am simply being help a fuk!@#$ hostage, you see?

They will hear from me this tuesday. I will be as calm as can be( not easy as i do have anxiety issues and hate conflict) - i went to aa walk in clinic and had to get clonazepam there cuz the pain docs are *****10000% dead against benzos***** i wonder if they will know i have them too and if theey do find out it will seriously really piss them off.

Too bad, i needed them after the stress of having to pick up my meds daily this week. The morons were giving me 3 x 0.5 mg lorazepam per week! In the pst i had 1-2 x 1mg per day. I dont need them every day but in times like this benzos really help as i am a wreck. I have enough problems leaving mmyhouse daily and people starting at me and my handicapp already , now this added stress? Fuck me.

what restricts you from your daily activities?...your scoliosis?....i know, it can be a very debilitating disorder.

 

[Scoliosis]

UNFORTUNATELY AS A RESULT OF MY DISABILITY AND PAIN - MIGRAINES - ETC, I have not been back to work full time for 10 months.

I do volunteer at local food banks and so on so i will need to ask him how i can prove to him?? what you think? how should i confront him? Specifically???

Apparently your doctor has an issue and thinking that you are overmedicating yourself. My doctor got all humpty with me when I ran out early- and I'm coming off the oxy and taking hydro 10/325. He had this big long talk with me and concerned I am possibly abusing my meds etc. Don't take this personally, they have to follow "protocol" and I don't see how they can make you come in each day. I mean people, normally have to go to work and take care of day to day things, and having a doctor visit daily should not be one of them. That's a bit shitty and I guess you need to show him that you're responsible enough to not take too much....

 

[jamesBrown]

I wish the best of luck to you and hope this all works itself out in the end,

Allthough I still reccommend that you show your doctors the upmost respect and stay extremely calm at all times so that they are more than likely to forget the idea that you could be a drug abuser and get on with your pain management. I think that acting in this way is in your best interest.

 

[Scoliosis]

Ok so i made the mistake of not calling the doc and telling him, i was not aware of the potential consequences , i was totally naive.

So do i know have to suffer??

i disagree that the doctor "isnt being rational"....the decision he made is standard practice in this scenario and happens everyday, all the time, all over the world.

Also.....they werent trying to deny him opiates....they were trying to switch him to other opiates.

And...the reason why a doctor who only sees you once a week, or once a month is entitled to "make that call" is because they went to medical school for around 8 yrs...maybe more. This means they know much more about medical issues(including addiction signs) than the average patient. And like i said, i agree that the op isnt trying to abuse his meds and pain does fluctuate but where he went wrong was by not callling the doctor. If he doesnt let the doctor know what hes doing before he does it, then it looks to the doctor as addictive/shady behavior. Thats just the way it is. I guarantee you the op can go to any other pain doctor and they would have done the exact same thing.

Im really not trying to argue here, its just that alot of poeple here are jumping to conclusions trying to make the op seem like a victim, when in fact, hes the one who made the first mistakes in this scenario....and maybe the doctors had no choice but to treat him like a possible druggy since the op chose to do what he did. Its just the way it works. I feel sorry for him too, i really, really, do.....its just im not gonna sit here and lie to him to make him feel better, telling him that those doctors are assholes and should never have done what they did. Because that would be a complete lie. They followed standard medical procedure.

Look, the op made a mistake because he was in pain, thats unfortunate.....but now he should focus on how hes going to prove to his doctors that hes not a drug addict/abuser so that he can get back on track with his painmanagement as quickly as possible. Thats the ebst thing he can do if he truly wants to fix his pain. Lodging complaints and bitching about the doctors is not going to help him at all....its just going to complicate the situation. Im trying to help him, honestly....and just because im not sitting here and saying..."awww poor baby....stupid asshole doctors!"....doesnt mean i have no sympathy.....maybe i have the most sympathy for him, but the advice im giving him is the advice thats actually gonna help him get back on track as fast as possible.

 

[Scoliosis]

So how do i correct this horrible situation??

i disagree that the doctor "isnt being rational"....the decision he made is standard practice in this scenario and happens everyday, all the time, all over the world.

Also.....they werent trying to deny him opiates....they were trying to switch him to other opiates.

And...the reason why a doctor who only sees you once a week, or once a month is entitled to "make that call" is because they went to medical school for around 8 yrs...maybe more. This means they know much more about medical issues(including addiction signs) than the average patient. And like i said, i agree that the op isnt trying to abuse his meds and pain does fluctuate but where he went wrong was by not callling the doctor. If he doesnt let the doctor know what hes doing before he does it, then it looks to the doctor as addictive/shady behavior. Thats just the way it is. I guarantee you the op can go to any other pain doctor and they would have done the exact same thing.

Im really not trying to argue here, its just that alot of poeple here are jumping to conclusions trying to make the op seem like a victim, when in fact, hes the one who made the first mistakes in this scenario....and maybe the doctors had no choice but to treat him like a possible druggy since the op chose to do what he did. Its just the way it works. I feel sorry for him too, i really, really, do.....its just im not gonna sit here and lie to him to make him feel better, telling him that those doctors are assholes and should never have done what they did. Because that would be a complete lie. They followed standard medical procedure.

Look, the op made a mistake because he was in pain, thats unfortunate.....but now he should focus on how hes going to prove to his doctors that hes not a drug addict/abuser so that he can get back on track with his painmanagement as quickly as possible. Thats the ebst thing he can do if he truly wants to fix his pain. Lodging complaints and bitching about the doctors is not going to help him at all....its just going to complicate the situation. Im trying to help him, honestly....and just because im not sitting here and saying..."awww poor baby....stupid asshole doctors!"....doesnt mean i have no sympathy.....maybe i have the most sympathy for him, but the advice im giving him is the advice thats actually gonna help him get back on track as fast as possible.

 

[jamesBrown]

Unfortunately, yes.....sometimes the consequences of our actions means we have to suffer. The old saying that "life isnt fair" is entirely true. Even though you technically need the pain meds for valid reasons and you have not been abusing them....in our medical community today, if the doctors even get a hint that you might be abusing your meds, it is there duty to react accordingly. And that involves measures that may cause you some pain. Like I said, the consequences of our actions may cause us pain because after all, life isnt fair.

 

[jamesBrown]

I wish the best of luck to you and hope this all works itself out in the end,

Allthough I still reccommend that you show your doctors the upmost respect and stay extremely calm at all times so that they are more than likely to forget the idea that you could be a drug abuser and get on with your pain management. I think that acting in this way is in your best interest.

^^^that is how you correct the situation....do what your doctors tell you, act reasonable/respectful/and understanding when you are around them. Basically act like a responsible adult and they will treat you like one. And in time, they will have no reason to believe you are a drug abuser. Unfortunately, a side effect of you making that mistake of not calling your doc before taking the extra pills, is that you have to deal with pain. Even if you didnt even realize you were making a mistake.

Its just how life works. And life can suck sometimes. You just gotta suck it up and do your best to get back on track by acting like an adult. Because I can guarantee you that acting irrationaly and getting upset at your doctors(even if its passive aggression) will prolong the pain you are going through.

Like I said, do what they say, be honest with them, and treat them with respect.....this is how a doctor likes to be treated and it will make it much easier for him to start treating you like he use to.

 

[Scoliosis]

jAMES HIT THE NAIL DIRECTLY ON THE HEAD HERE!!!

detailed elaborate explanations for every single patient on strong narcotic painkillers, etc......they seriously could lose there medical liscence if they are found to be prescribing strong opiods to an opiate addict.


IT IS BUTALL IN TORONTO &* OVERALL MOST OF cANADA - THE WHOLE SITUATION IS GETTING OUT OF CONTROL. Sooo many people are abusing the oxy and thus, addicted people are coming off the streets for help to these clinics. The docs are asking" where the !@#$ are they getting the shit from? "

Not me. but the obviously thinks so. fukin morons.

EXAMPLE; i was on the public trans bus and many of thre drivers know me

That would definitely be the ideal situation, but unfortunately I don't think telling him to "eat shit" will help him any.

I think it has alot to do with doctors literaly being "scared" of one or more of their patients becoming addicted to the medications they are prescribed....because doctors are now "watched like hawks", having to do with every single narcotic prescription they write, having to have detailed elaborate explanations for every single patient on strong narcotic painkillers, etc......they seriously could lose there medical liscence if they are found to be prescribing strong opiods to an opiate addict.

 

[Scoliosis]

Hope you are right, but nevertheless i am in search of a new doc and pain clinic as of Monday AM - full throttle ahead!

I dont understand why this thread's still going on, the OP will probably just have to pick up yourprescription daily until next month. Then i'm sure they'll let everything go back to normal. They just want to make sure you dont run out, so look at this as a punishment.

You still got your medicine, shit happens, move on lol.

 

[Scoliosis]

Thanks man, i will m but i do wear my emotions on my sleeve - literally. One of those guys. if you know what i mean.

I wish the best of luck to you and hope this all works itself out in the end,

Allthough I still reccommend that you show your doctors the upmost respect and stay extremely calm at all times so that they are more than likely to forget the idea that you could be a drug abuser and get on with your pain management. I think that acting in this way is in your best interest.

 

[Scoliosis]

i could not have said it any clearer. great posts James!!! BRAVO.

Unfortunately, yes.....sometimes the consequences of our actions means we have to suffer. The old saying that "life isnt fair" is entirely true. Even though you technically need the pain meds for valid reasons and you have not been abusing them....in our medical community today, if the doctors even get a hint that you might be abusing your meds, it is there duty to react accordingly. And that involves measures that may cause you some pain. Like I said, the consequences of our actions may cause us pain because after all, life isnt fair.

 

[Scoliosis]

i will be asking to cut down on my daily dose the next time we meet;

From; 80mg x 3 times per day

To; 80mg x 2 times per day + 40mg before sleep - I think the extra 40mg slow release prior to bedtime may be eliminated and would like to try.

Let's see what they say.

 

[Chaos21]

Yes cut down on oxy, DON'T do suboxone, unless you will be ready for one hell of a WD. I took one and I couldn't get out of bed for 3 days, and I was just plain sick for 2 weeks/

 

[ihatepipes]

Hope you are right, but nevertheless i am in search of a new doc and pain clinic as of Monday AM - full throttle ahead!

This probably won't do you any good. Any pain clinic you will find that will accept you as a patient will want your previous medical records. This means that they are going to find out what transpired in regards to your coming up short with pain meds recently. Your best bet is to just accept the consequences of your actions and not try to run from them.

I am not asking this sarcastically or trying to be a dickhead and I hope you will answer this question: What were you thinking when you went to your doctor to get your prescriptions filled early? Did you honestly think he was going to be cool with the whole scenario?

My advice to you is to try whatever medication the doctor asks you to try. I say this because if you do not he is going to immediately think that you are mentally addicted to the drug you are trying to cling to. In all actuality if you go with the flow and comply with your doctor's orders you will appear as if you don't care what medication you are prescribed as long as your pain is managed, and this is what you want to happen. At any rate with the condition you have and the fact that you will probably need pain meds for the rest of your life you should really become familiar with the do's and dont's of pain management. I can say that I am pretty sure that going to your doctor early for a refill is one of the top three things a pain management patient should never do.

The last thing I want to say is that everyone makes mistakes in life, and there are only two things you can do when you make a mistake:

1. Accept the consequences of your actions
2. Learn from your mistake so you do not make the same mistake again.

 

[ihatepipes]

i will be asking to cut down on my daily dose the next time we meet;

From; 80mg x 3 times per day

To; 80mg x 2 times per day + 40mg before sleep - I think the extra 40mg slow release prior to bedtime may be eliminated and would like to try.

Let's see what they say.

This doesn't make any sense! Just a month ago your pain was so severe that you had to take more medicine then you were prescribed, and now you are going to tell your doctor that you can make do with less?!?!? I am wondering myself what is going on inside your head, and I am sure that is the same thing the doctor will wonder.

I am not trying to be a dick but basically this whole thread is full of indications that you have a problem with oxycodone. While you might have a condition that warrants the prescribing of potent narcotics, pain doctors in the have to be very careful who they prescribe to, or they will lose their license and ability to earn money. I honestly feel sorry for you that you have a painful condition, but I also understand why your doctor is as skeptical about your usage as he is. I think that you really ought to re-evaluate your usage of oxycodone and be honest with yourself in terms of acknowledging that you do have a problem with this drug because this is how it seems.

 

[T. Calderone]

i went to aa walk in clinic and had to get clonazepam there cuz the pain docs are *****10000% dead against benzos***** i wonder if they will know i have them too and if theey do find out it will seriously really piss them off.

Too bad, i needed them after the stress of having to pick up my meds daily this week. The morons were giving me 3 x 0.5 mg lorazepam per week! In the pst i had 1-2 x 1mg per day. I dont need them every day but in times like this benzos really help as i am a wreck.

My pain doctor is also against giving me benzos. A couple times a year, he will without warning drug test. Does your doctor do this ever? I was thinking if he did, then finding the clonazepam might give him reason to discharge you. Be careful.

 

[Scoliosis]

i had 2 tests in 6 2weeks and nothing to worry about.

However, as he is dead against benzos i did take several this weekend due to my psych state was very bad, and i was a wreck from him dispensing daily. it realy affected me negatively. anger, anxiety, the works. it was overwhelming. simply overwhelming.

if they ask i will surely tell them.

My pain doctor is also against giving me benzos. A couple times a year, he will without warning drug test. Does your doctor do this ever? I was thinking if he did, then finding the clonazepam might give him reason to discharge you. Be careful.

 

[Scoliosis]

Great points!!

if you read my previous posts the only reason i took extra was ..... if you read my previous posts .

as for trying whatever they offer - according to my research and feedback from people here and personally face 2 face I am trying to cut down and reduce NATURALLY** read my previous posts

This probably won't do you any good. Any pain clinic you will find that will accept you as a patient will want your previous medical records. This means that they are going to find out what transpired in regards to your coming up short with pain meds recently. Your best bet is to just accept the consequences of your actions and not try to run from them.

I am not asking this sarcastically or trying to be a dickhead and I hope you will answer this question: What were you thinking when you went to your doctor to get your prescriptions filled early? Did you honestly think he was going to be cool with the whole scenario?

My advice to you is to try whatever medication the doctor asks you to try. I say this because if you do not he is going to immediately think that you are mentally addicted to the drug you are trying to cling to. In all actuality if you go with the flow and comply with your doctor's orders you will appear as if you don't care what medication you are prescribed as long as your pain is managed, and this is what you want to happen. At any rate with the condition you have and the fact that you will probably need pain meds for the rest of your life you should really become familiar with the do's and dont's of pain management. I can say that I am pretty sure that going to your doctor early for a refill is one of the top three things a pain management patient should never do.

The last thing I want to say is that everyone makes mistakes in life, and there are only two things you can do when you make a mistake:

1. Accept the consequences of your actions
2. Learn from your mistake so you do not make the same mistake again.

 

[ihatepipes]

Great points!!

if you read my previous posts the only reason i took extra was ..... if you read my previous posts .

as for trying whatever they offer - according to my research and feedback from people here and personally face 2 face I am trying to cut down and reduce NATURALLY** read my previous posts

I read your previous posts and I know why you took extra. Correct me if I am wrong because I am not going back to read it again, but you took extra because you were being really active and your prescribed dose wasn't allowing you to do that as painlessly as you would have liked.

Good luck with cutting down and reducing naturally, and good luck with your condition.

 

[Scoliosis]

Precisely! yes, i used to rollerblade 15km per day x 4 days a week + swimming + walkning + doin some light weight lifting limited* (6-10yrs go) ....

As of 12months ago to the date today i was only taking 70 x 5mg percocets per month. I gradually - every other month or so went to;
~ 75 percocets / month
~~ 2 months after; 20mg oxycontin x 4 per day + Instant release 10mg x 4 per day
~~~ 2-3 months later; 40mg oxycontin x 4 per day + same
~~~~ another 2-3 months - 2 x 80mg oxy per day + same
~~~~~ Currently 3 x 80mg oxy + 4 x 10mg instant release per day + 0.5 lorazepam weekly.

My hand pains were getting bad and my knuckles (have a total =2 only) were becoming VERY sore. Example; i used to be able to knock on a wooden door loudly enough so anyone inside a room could hear. as of 12-18 months and todaay, espcecially when its cold my joints and knuckles are too sore to use aat all. Getting dressed some days results in me sweating and breathing heavily.

Now that i have consciously reduced my rollerblading to NONE in the colder months, and only swim in local public pools 1hour per day x 4days usually i can and should be able to reduce my pain medication quantities ****

Hope this gives you adequate info to see the big picture.
p.s - you ca see my avatar - the curve of my spine?? see it?

due to doing less activity i will be trying to cut down to 2 x 80mg oxycontin daily + 1 of the 40mg at bedtime and still the instant release the same.
hopefully the doc will agree. and yes i may have trouble but 40mg less at bedtime in my eyes should suffice. I hope.

last December, January, Feb I was at a friends cottage home - we go every other - 3 weekends per wonth to get out of Toronto and relax, focus on eating clean, breathing clean air, being active and being healthy overall so after doing 1-2 hours of snowshoeing or other outdoor stuff at -20 degrees i dont have to tell you the effect it has on the body, especially my spine.

I read your previous posts and I know why you took extra. Correct me if I am wrong because I am not going back to read it again, but you took extra because you were being really active and your prescribed dose wasn't allowing you to do that as painlessly as you would have liked.

Good luck with cutting down and reducing naturally, and good luck with your condition.