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Opioids Dr is trying to get me off Oxy & switch to Suboxone

ihatepipes said:
This doesn't make any sense! Just a month ago your pain was so severe that you had to take more medicine then you were prescribed, and now you are going to tell your doctor that you can make do with less?!?!? I am wondering myself what is going on inside your head, and I am sure that is the same thing the doctor will wonder.

I am not trying to be a dick but basically this whole thread is full of indications that you have a problem with oxycodone. While you might have a condition that warrants the prescribing of potent narcotics, pain doctors in the have to be very careful who they prescribe to, or they will lose their license and ability to earn money. I honestly feel sorry for you that you have a painful condition, but I also understand why your doctor is as skeptical about your usage as he is. I think that you really ought to re-evaluate your usage of oxycodone and be honest with yourself in terms of acknowledging that you do have a problem with this drug because this is how it seems.
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I actually somewhat agree with you that the OP probably has a problem with oxycodone even if he wont admit it to himself. I dont mean any offense to the OP its just ive been an addict for many many years, and have been addicted to many different drugs.....so I know addict behavior when I see it. Im not saying that I know for sure that you have more of a problem with oxy than you would like to admit, no one can know that but you, im just saying that thats the way it seems.....all signs point to "addicted and in denial". Its very common for someone in your situation, who has only been taking the medication legally given to them by a doctor to find it hard to realize that you in fact are addicted to your medication. In fact, anybody taking the doses of oxycodone that you are for ANY extended period of time would HAVE to become an addict. Or atleast dependent. Whatever word you use, I mean that you have to continue taking your medication or else you will have withdrawals, and your meds arent making you "feel" the way they use to so you are starting to show drug seeking behavior. Its only natural that this wuold happen after taking SOOO many strong opiates for soooo long...even if you are under a doctors supervision.
You can listen to me or decide to ignore what im saying and keep going about your life with your oxy as you wish, but I think you need to seriously start thinking about the situation your in. And really think about what this drug is doing to you. I believe that you know deep down that you truly do enjoy the "highs" that the oxy can give you, and since they arent doing that anymore for you, you are trying/hoping for an increase in your oxy dose. Its extremely easy to come up with an excuse as to why you took more of your meds than you were prescribed, even if the excuse was thought up subconciously. Maybe you dont even realize that you saying that you took the extra meds because of your active lifestyle was just an excuse that you gave to yourself subconciously so you wouldnt feel bad, or feel like an "addict" when you take extra oxy so you can feel that "goodness" that oxy can cause.
Im pretty sure that no matter what I say here your going to keep wanting to take your oxy, and thats because your addicted to it and I know how hard it is to want to make a change that goes in the opposite direction of your addiction....and there are so many excuses you can come up with as to why you SHOULD keep taking the oxy, its just too hard to say no. And I know that some of those excuses as to why you should take the oxy are actually very good and valid excuses(i.e. your disorder) but what im trying to say is that there is an excuse/reason as to why you should stop taking the oxy that is even more valid and even more important than any excuse you can come up with as to why you should keep taking your medication.....And that reason is that you are living an addicts life. And it is holding you back from reaching your full potential. I know from many years of experience, that even though there could be positive effects resulting from taking that drug, the negative outweighs the positive.
There are plenty of other medications and techniques that you can take/try to manage your pain other than taking oxy. You could even take suboxone like the doctors reccommended. It truly is a very good painkiller yet it doesnt cause the addiction that you are facing right now. I also know that from experience, I take suboxone everyday and it kills any pain I have, and since I donthave as much pain as you I get high off of it as well. But the good part is, im not addicted to it. Because of the type of drug suboxone is, it prevents me from becoming addicted to it.

Im sry for making such a long post that your probably not going to listen to anyway, and I do realize that there are even more factors that need to be considered with this issue that I didnt even talk about but its just hard to do this over the internet. i wish you well and hope that you make the right choices for yourself.....choices that are not influenced by the "high" you can get from oxy. *the word "high" can mean pleasurable or painkilling, it doesnt necessarily mean you feel orgasmic or anything*
 
Your pain is persistent. If your pain lasts 10 years your doctor cannot give you the same narcotic for 10 years or else, in the end you will slit your wrists if you are told to stop.

Doctors need to change the medicine every once in a while in order to avoid addiction. Suboxone will relieve your pain just fine...the only problem is that you find it hard to renounce to oxy because you are addicted. If you tell your doctor:

''Can I please stick with oxy'' = '' I am addicted to oxy, please give me my fix''

A smart thing would be to tell your doctor that he made you take oxy FOR TOO LONG, because you developed an addiction. In that case, your doctor will vary your medicine more often, in order to avoid such addiction in the future.
 
i am sorry but you please clarify what the " +1 " refers to? Thank you.

i am only asking for advice on how to better communicate to them, all I have been doing is speaking to everyone from the heart, with utmost honesty and what i have lived.

As for you comment:

"What I can say though if you have pain and use your medication as prescribed you should be fine"

this is not always the case. It really depends on the pain + medication in question. Not to mention the internal / external variables too. I used to honestly think this way too until i lived thru a real life (*****not textbook or hypothetical*****) scenario - the one in my posts here. This definition helped me understand the "if you have pain and use your medication as prescribed you should be fine" frame of mind so many humans have. I searched and found this term: pseudoaddiction

In my personal situation, as you see in my initial posts, being someone with uncommon (1 in 3million+) congenital disability - this does not include my scoliosis which as you obviously know is about in Canada = About 3 out of every 100 people have some form. Mine is on the more severe and not pretty type if you know what I mean. If you see my avatar or image in my profile you can see it slightly, can you see it a bit?

Thanks for your help and I really like the excellent feedback bluelight.ru has given me. bluelight.ru has truly made my life better.

Ksa said:
Can you not +1 when you have nothing better to say?
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Scoliosis said:
i am sorry but you please clarify what the " +1 " refers to? Thank you.

i am only asking for advice on how to better communicate to them, all I have been doing is speaking to everyone from the heart, with utmost honesty and what i have lived.

As for you comment:

"What I can say though if you have pain and use your medication as prescribed you should be fine"

In my personal situation, as you see in my initial posts, being someone with uncommon (1 in 3million+) congenital disability - this does not include my scoliosis which as you obviously know is about in Canada = About 3 out of every 100 people have some form. Mine is on the more severe and not pretty type if you know what I mean. If you see my avatar or image in my profile you can see it slightly, can you see it a bit?

Thanks for your help and I really like the excellent feedback bluelight.ru has given me. bluelight.ru has truly made my life better.
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Read my last post, it's all there.

and +1 = +1 to post count...lol @.@
 
I agree with Ksa, its just he's saying it in more of a "life is tough, your addicted, get over it" kind of way....while im trying to sugar coat my posts a little I guess.
 
Ksa, as you can se from my post above it outlines my progression of the doses of my oxy use in the past 12 months. I have not taken any meds in my life before then, ever!!

I really agree with your point and think it will be a great idea i try suboxone after I geT back from my vacation in november 2010. Sooon. This will perhaps show them i am not addicted to it. Even though i know my body is**** I know*** And acknowledge this.!!! You are right.

Then , if it does not make me ok I was told they would switch me back to oxy? Does this sound right?

i spoke to a guy who has been taking oxy for 10+ yrs (he says 20) , not sure if this is true , has it been around for 20yrs??



Ksa said:
Your pain is persistent. If your pain lasts 10 years your doctor cannot give you the same narcotic for 10 years or else, in the end you will slit your wrists if you are told to stop.

Doctors need to change the medicine every once in a while in order to avoid addiction. Suboxone will relieve your pain just fine...the only problem is that you find it hard to renounce to oxy because you are addicted. If you tell your doctor:

''Can I please stick with oxy'' = '' I am addicted to oxy, please give me my fix''

A smart thing would be to tell your doctor that he made you take oxy FOR TOO LONG, because you developed an addiction. In that case, your doctor will vary your medicine more often, in order to avoid such addiction in the future.
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Im not really sure that if the suboxone doesnt work for you that you shuld automatically go back to your oxy. I mean, there are ALOT of options for you to try out. Why give up after only trying ONE alternative????

Its also very easy for you to say that the suboxone doesnt work jsut so you can get back on oxy, even if the suboxone works fine at killing your pain. That is exactly what I would do if I were you and was addicted to oxy and they were trying to switch me to somethign else. You really have to aknowledge the fact that your are truly an addict, and you have to TRULY want to quit it for you to try alternative methods for killing pain honestly.....otherwise, you can very easily just say that whatever meds they give you dont work.
 
jamesBrown said:
I agree with Ksa, its just he's saying it in more of a "life is tough, your addicted, get over it" kind of way....while im trying to sugar coat my posts a little I guess.
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I don't know why they gave him oxy...1x 100mg codeine time release tablet every 8 hours would do the job. I might be wrong, if the pain is indeed extreme but codeine is known to work well on back pain and headaches in particular.

My point is doctors prescribe oxycodone, oxymorphone, morphine, and even fentanyl when codeine would work just fine...because they don't want you coming back saying it doesn't work well and you need something stronger...

If he became addicted to oxy it means oxy did MORE than relieve his pain = oxy is too strong = downgrade the painkiller! When are these god damned doctors gona learn NOT to give the strongest shit ever the first time...
 
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In my opinion, the perfect painkiller treatment is the one that relieves 99% of the pain and leaves you with a tiny little discomfort that can barely be noticed. As soon as you start feeling better than your normal mood, the dose is too high or the painkiller is too strong.
 
if he was on something weaker, then he would have to take more to kill the pain, he would become addicted faster this way, no?
 
SkagKush said:
if he was on something weaker, then he would have to take more to kill the pain, he would become addicted faster this way, no?
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There's a dosage threshold. With codeine it's 60mg instant release. When the patient does not obtain a satisfying pain relief with the maximum therapeutic dosage, a stronger painkiller is used. So no, they would not give him 400mg of codeine simply because it would not do much better than 60 mg.
 
my point was, he would have to pop more often reinforcing addict tendinitises.
 
SkagKush said:
my point was, he would have to pop more often reinforcing addict tendinitises.
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No...i think the point he was trying to make was that if you kill someones pain up to the point where they still have some pain but they are comfortable and can live there life normally THATS the ideal situation. If you kill anymore of there pain, it makes them feel good all the time....which means your getting high because NO ONE feels good all the time. Its just not normal, we feel like shit all the time. So its best to only kill the pain up to a point where you still have some pain because thats the natural "human element". if you keep giving them more pain med to the point where they feel fine and dandy, they will become addicts. Especially when dealing with high potency opiates like oxy. Simple as that.
 
that was far more clear, aswell as, doctors never give u enough to fully kill the pain anyways, for a reason.
 
SkagKush said:
that was far more clear, aswell as, doctors never give u enough to fully kill the pain anyways, for a reason.
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thats what doctors SHOULD do and many of them do that....but alot of doctors overprescribe to there patients, resulting in them becoming addicts. Allthough, in the defense of the doctors, its kind of hard to tell if a patient is really still in some pain, or if they are just saying they are. Its not hard to pretend to still be in excruciating pain and have them up your dose.
 
Take for example a case of sinus infection. You go see your doctor with a huge migraine and swelled cheeks. Usually the doctor would need to send you do a radiography to determine if the infection is bacterial or viral and determine the best treatment. That means filling lots of papers, booking other meetings, reading the results etc.

But that's too much fucking work...so what does the doctor do? He gives you Azithromycin or Clarithromycin! Problem solved! Doesn't matter if you catched a cold or if you are about to die from an acute infection, clarithromycin is going to work!

There's only one problem, Clarithromycin is the strongest shit out there, among other side effects it creates a loss of appetite to the point where swallowing a tiny bit of food makes you vomit and also it is very hard on the liver...can cause permanent damage.

Amoxicillin would have worked just as well with no side effects and no liver damage...but the doctor skipped a few steps...because to give a weaker antibiotic you need to know what you are doing and they obviously don't bother.

A doctor is like any other worker...he will do whatever makes him leave his office at 4pm...not what's in your best interests.

If any doctor would try to give me oxy to treat my pain I would tell him off and ask him to give that shit to his kids instead...people need to be more aware of what they put in their bodies and not just worship the doctor.
 
lol, my doc has been pretty good thru the years.... and i even had another doc fax my medical marijuana info before.
 
jamesBrown said:
I actually somewhat agree with you that the OP probably has a problem with oxycodone even if he wont admit it to himself. I dont mean any offense to the OP its just ive been an addict for many many years, and have been addicted to many different drugs.....so I know addict behavior when I see it. Im not saying that I know for sure that you have more of a problem with oxy than you would like to admit, no one can know that but you, im just saying that thats the way it seems.....all signs point to "addicted and in denial". Its very common for someone in your situation, who has only been taking the medication legally given to them by a doctor to find it hard to realize that you in fact are addicted to your medication. In fact, anybody taking the doses of oxycodone that you are for ANY extended period of time would HAVE to become an addict. Or atleast dependent. Whatever word you use, I mean that you have to continue taking your medication or else you will have withdrawals, and your meds arent making you "feel" the way they use to so you are starting to show drug seeking behavior. Its only natural that this wuold happen after taking SOOO many strong opiates for soooo long...even if you are under a doctors supervision.
You can listen to me or decide to ignore what im saying and keep going about your life with your oxy as you wish, but I think you need to seriously start thinking about the situation your in. And really think about what this drug is doing to you. I believe that you know deep down that you truly do enjoy the "highs" that the oxy can give you, and since they arent doing that anymore for you, you are trying/hoping for an increase in your oxy dose. Its extremely easy to come up with an excuse as to why you took more of your meds than you were prescribed, even if the excuse was thought up subconciously. Maybe you dont even realize that you saying that you took the extra meds because of your active lifestyle was just an excuse that you gave to yourself subconciously so you wouldnt feel bad, or feel like an "addict" when you take extra oxy so you can feel that "goodness" that oxy can cause.
Im pretty sure that no matter what I say here your going to keep wanting to take your oxy, and thats because your addicted to it and I know how hard it is to want to make a change that goes in the opposite direction of your addiction....and there are so many excuses you can come up with as to why you SHOULD keep taking the oxy, its just too hard to say no. And I know that some of those excuses as to why you should take the oxy are actually very good and valid excuses(i.e. your disorder) but what im trying to say is that there is an excuse/reason as to why you should stop taking the oxy that is even more valid and even more important than any excuse you can come up with as to why you should keep taking your medication.....And that reason is that you are living an addicts life. And it is holding you back from reaching your full potential. I know from many years of experience, that even though there could be positive effects resulting from taking that drug, the negative outweighs the positive.
There are plenty of other medications and techniques that you can take/try to manage your pain other than taking oxy. You could even take suboxone like the doctors reccommended. It truly is a very good painkiller yet it doesnt cause the addiction that you are facing right now. I also know that from experience, I take suboxone everyday and it kills any pain I have, and since I donthave as much pain as you I get high off of it as well. But the good part is, im not addicted to it. Because of the type of drug suboxone is, it prevents me from becoming addicted to it.

Im sry for making such a long post that your probably not going to listen to anyway, and I do realize that there are even more factors that need to be considered with this issue that I didnt even talk about but its just hard to do this over the internet. i wish you well and hope that you make the right choices for yourself.....choices that are not influenced by the "high" you can get from oxy. *the word "high" can mean pleasurable or painkilling, it doesnt necessarily mean you feel orgasmic or anything*
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I know we had our problems in the past few days so I think it's big of you to acknowledge that I may be right about something even though I was calling you an asshole the other day. I just want to apologize for that because I should have tried to talk to you nicely about what I felt was wrong with your posts instead of just cussing you out. I hope you will accept my apology, but also know that I think you should read your posts a few times before you hit submit reply and reword them if you realize they are too harsh.

Now back to the topic at hand... There are many different signs that lead me to believe the OP has a problem. The way the OP gets so angry and defensive when anyone questions his usage of oxycodone is one of the first signs that led me to believe he has problems with addiction. Another major sign is the OP's Original Post. He is clearly asking what can he tell his doctor in an effort to leave his doctor no choice but to continue prescribing him oxycodone. Then, you can add the fact that he wants to switch pain management clinics, and he is willing to bargain with his doctor in the form of a lower dosage so he can continue being prescribed oxycodone. Also, there is the clearly bad choice of going to a walk in clinic and getting prescribed clonazepam when he knows that this is going to cause severe problems if his pain management doctor finds out.

One thing the OP should know is that there is a database in my state where pain management doctors can pull up a list of all medications a person has filled at every pharmacy they have had medication filled at. I am sure there is something similar in the area that the OP lives. He is going to be lucky if his PM doctor does not find out that he was prescribed clonazepam, and if the OP has any kind of inclination that his doctor knows about the clonazepam then he should come clean immediately. Also, if there is the possibility of a UA the OP should definitely come clean before he is told he must submit a urine specimen, or he is going to look really bad in the doctor's eyes.

I just want to say that I don't think the OP should have all pain medication taken away from him. I think the whole concept of pain management is screwed up because people are being given drugs that are known to be physically and psychologically addicting yet they are expected not to become addicted to these drugs. It is a given that PM patients will become physically addicted to the drugs, but how much different is a physical addiction from a psychological addiction?

I believe that a situation like the one present in this thread should never happen because people should have to attend classes and understand the concept/do's and dont's of pain management before they are ever prescribed narcotic medication. If a system like this was in place it would be clear to the PM patients what they should do in every situation they may encounter regarding their medication.
 
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