Does speed even get you high?

[StoneHappyMonday]

I'll never forget getting that first G, cracking it open on a Wednesday night thinking it wouldnt do a great deal

I got a bigger quantity for the next weekend as me and Mrs A were going out, she knew it was pretty active by the state of me the week before but even for her I don't tend to look that fucked even when I am. I racked her up a line....I did fail to mention anything about this unique experience.....ohhh how I laughed .

IMHO

This is just very similar to me and my gf. I'd done the testing on my own, fuck me does that work etc, then got cynical Mrs SHM into it just saying to her, "trust me, it works" (she didn't believe me, can't tell her anything) and then her reaction of "how the fuck can this be legal?"

Happy days.

 

[Ismene]

Recommending Meth would be a little outside of my BL remit and I'm no big user, I find it a better hit, cleaner and last longer with less desire to redose, depends what you pay but it doesnt work out much more than good sulphate in terms of how long it lasts me.

Can only give it a try and see wazzup. Must admit I'm rapidly losing patience with "stims".

 

[Allein]

Can only give it a try and see wazzup. Must admit I'm rapidly losing patience with "stims".

My best advice is to dose very low, literally 10mg to start and give it a while before re dosing. It seems far more about how well made it was than it being cut as it's much harder to convincingly cut clear crystal than white powder.

It has a long duration and not just keeping you awake, your wired for a long time and it would be easy to think you should take a shit load more because you da man and could take on the world. I'd say it has more potential for psychosis than sulphate but with either it's not an uncommon problem.

 

[BigG]

It sounds awful. I hate that wired over-stimated feeling I get from caffeine.. Makes me anxious as hell.

I can just imagine meth being much worse....

Although back in the 90s I think I drank a beer that had been spiked with sulphate by my "mates" when working on the door of a Newcastle night club....they would have though it was hilarious but I don't recall liking it much.

They once put half a mitsubishi in my drink as well..(they knew I didn't take anything and since most of my work mates were involved in selling drugs they were always trying to get me to take stuff).....

Think my then gf was complicit in that one too. Coming up on what were debatebly some of the best pills of all time when you've no experience or are even aware you've taken it is quite an experience I can tell you. Although it was 20 years ago and I can't remember much TBH....

Edit....they told me afterwards it was just a half a pill but could well have been more than one knowing those cunts.... Ahh happy days

 

[Allein]

I guess peoples reactions are different like almost every substance I've come acrosss, I'm seemingly impervious to caffeine and could drink half a dozen Espressos and not notice a thing.

My first drug beyond booze, fags and hash was speed and it appealed from day 1, combined with MDMA it fueled me through the 90s. I had no interest in downers, not even booze, I'd much rather feel wired TBH.

That said and whilst I'm aware my use over recent years has become more regular I don't do heroic doses or redose too quickly, I can function pretty well, I'm not into the sketchy sweaty hiding in the corner side of things. Hence my concern about this wild variation in potency ATM, aside from the obvious dangers of massive doses of amphetamines the risk of loosing the plot in an nasty way seems quiet high.

Mrs A was always keen on speed back in the day but again in moderation, she'd bump speed throughout the night rather than get totally twisted on pills.

Personal preference and a bit of body chemistry I suspect.

 

[BigG]

You sound a similar age to me (40) and probably remember most of the 90s rave scene was fueled by folks starting the night on cheap £5 speed and then dropping mitsubishis or doves or whatever when they got to the club.
Jesus I saw some states...people with there eyes in the back of their heads unable to speak or even move...It was scary sometimes.

As doormen we were pretty much ordered to turn a blind eye.

I've not worked in that scene for years and I sometimes wonder if it's any different today.....

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Oh it's definitely different these days; the speed's all glucose and the pills 'have lost their magic'

Mitzi's were a damn fine pill to be spiked with mate - second only to the doves imo. How did you feel?

As for your caffeine/sulphate/meth comments, I'm sure you know as well as anyone that they all work on different neurotransmitters - caffeine predominantly on norepinephrine, sulphate on dopamine and nor, and methamp on serotonin, dopamine and nor. This is why too much caffeine just gives you the jitters, whereas the others produce euphoria at varying levels which makes the effects very desirable to many of us

 

[BigG]

It was wierd mate (bear in mind this was 20 years ago)..... I wasn't expecting it and was just chilling with a bottle of bud after work..it tasted a bit funny but the beer in the shit hole I worked at often did so I didn't think that unusual... Then may workmates were kind of laughing and I thought the cunts had put pool cue chalk on my face again (which they thought was funny.... Especially when i was chatting up a fit bird )..

Anyway all of a sudden I just felt this massive wave hit me and it nearly floored me...cue my "mates" and "girlfriend " falling about laughing. It was extremely intense and when your not expecting it a bit scary too. With speed if your spiked with a small amount it's noticeable but not that major but with a strong pill like that it was huge...

When I realised what they'd done I gave my mate a bit of a slap but soon calmed down after the head doorman broke it up...

It was ok I suppose but ibwas never tempted to do it again on purpose...

It wasn't THAT amazing. Plus I think they were about £8 a pill at a time when a bottle of bud was only £1.50 and 20 tabs £2.50 so I was probably too tight! Haha!

How do those mitsubishis compare with today's pills ?

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Yeh, I don't agree with spiking people - its a cunts trick and I don't blame you for giving him a slap (just be thankful it wasn't acid..). Many experienced pill poppers don't like the come up, so to not know what's happening would be a bit frightening.

I've no idea how modern pills compare to mitzi's as I haven't done any since about 2005. But the original doves and the first few batches of mitzi's will always stand out in my mind..

 

[BigG]

It may have been a dove actually... At this time (early 90s) I think both types were available... I just assumed it was a mitsubishi cos they were a bit more prevalent in the north east at the time...

Yeah TBH mate not that much scares me but the thought of being spiked with acid and thinking you're losing your mind would terrify me..

Psychedelic drugs scare me anyway as the thought of having a bad trip and wanting it to end but not being able to make it end is enough to keep me well away from anything like that....Just doesn't sound like "fun" to me.

As you know mate I've had my share and pharmaceutical opiates and then some and they are relaxing and enjoyable to an extent but thinking the world is made of lego and giant rats are coming at you from out of the walls doesn't sound like my idea of fun..

Regarding the E incident....once I'd calmed down and realised there wasn't much I could do about it we all went clubbing and the rest of the night was ok but as I say I never wanted a repeat...Just wasn't my thing I suppose. Just like weed, alcohol, stims etc.. aren't my cup of tea either.....it's each to their own isn't it really....

Edit...yeah I know meth isn't just stronger caffeine and they work on different neurotransmitters but I'm very sensitive to hyper-noradrenergic reactions to things...it's one of the reasons why my methadone detox was so painful and why clonidine helped me so much...

If I'm 100% truthful and you put some crystal meth in front of me now I'd be curious but nor so curious that I'd ever bother to go and seek it out. Perfectly honest with you mate, my life's a big enough mess as it is without adding things to make it even worse.... I'm really struggling at the moment bro.... And I mean really, really struggling

 

[Allein]

Agreed spiking people is totally out of order, spiking someone with acid is beyond assault.

I knew a group of friends who were always spiking each other with speed, they were all pretty much living the 90's dream, off their faces most of the time and totally off their faces at the weekend but a few of them did work.

Poor old Steve was a chippy and had his own house if it looked like he was going to go to bed too early or they anted him up his tea would be spiked, they managed to catch him out a fair few times, I suppose they were all hammering chemicals more days of the week than not but I still made it clear that I wouldnt think it was the least bit funny.

The only thing I've done even close to that is offering (at a party) a dab of speed or batter still MDMA, I suspect that because I had to take a great deal of asthma medication as a child I don't have a problem dealing with swallowing pills or foul tasting powders. So I'd get out a wrap, have a cheeky dab and offer as any good person would, had a good friens actual puke a bit from MDMA, seemed fine to me :D

 

[ColtDan]

It sounds awful. I hate that wired over-stimated feeling I get from caffeine.. Makes me anxious as hell.

I can just imagine meth being much worse....

Too much caffeine makes me anxious as well.. meth is smooth. Smoothly perfectly wired, no edgy bullshit. altho i imagine a few days around the clock would start to get dodgy

 

[ColtDan]

spiking people is totally out of order,

I agree, very cuntish

 

[Eveleivibe]

I don't like having too much caffeine these days makes me headachy n stuff although at one time I was addicted to caffeine lol drinking a massive bottle of pepsi max daily or lucazade lol. But these days if I have more than four cups of coffee I feel weird n don't like it much.

Evey

 

[BigG]

It's when you start necking caffeine tabs by the handful that you really feel the horrible effects of too much caffeine...I got into the habbit of doing that in order to get up for early starts for work and it's a bad habbit as it leaves you feeling so anxious that you feel sick...it's horrible...

 

[Allein]

I don't anymore but for years I drank 10-20 cups of super strong black coffee a day and smoked a pack of cigs. I gave up sugar in the coffee on the advice on an expensive quack which slowed it down for a while then I gave up cigs and daily hash smoking and insomnia set in so I cut right down. I only have a cup in the morning now, very rarely during the day.

I don't ever recall it making me anxious but given I have suffered with the kind of anxiety that you don't really know you have I don't bother much with it these days. I know soe people who claim they get the shakes from a single cup.

 

[Eveleivibe]

It's when you start necking caffeine tabs by the handful that you really feel the horrible effects of too much caffeine...I got into the habbit of doing that in order to get up for early starts for work and it's a bad habbit as it leaves you feeling so anxious that you feel sick...it's horrible...

Did that in 20"2 with pro plus to try n stop being so emotional. It worked for awhile but taking 8+ a day made me worst; jittery n crying all the time.

I don't anymore but for years I drank 10-20 cups of super strong black coffee a day and smoked a pack of cigs. I gave up sugar in the coffee on the advice on an expensive quack which slowed it down for a while then I gave up cigs and daily hash smoking and insomnia set in so I cut right down. I only have a cup in the morning now, very rarely during the day.

I don't ever recall it making me anxious but given I have suffered with the kind of anxiety that you don't really know you have I don't bother much with it these days. I know soe people who claim they get the shakes from a single cup.

I put honey in my coffee instead. Gave up sugar in 2004 when i lost almost 5 stone. Nowadays ive started drinking more tea or herbal tea strangely enough.

Evey

 

[BigG]

It's horrible... You seem to get tolerant to the pick me up effect but with higher doses tge jitters just get exponentially worse...

I was taking stupid amounts at one stage...like 20 pro plus at a time in the morning. Caffeine is a horrible drug in hight doses for sure.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

It may have been a dove actually... At this time (early 90s) I think both types were available... I just assumed it was a mitsubishi cos they were a bit more prevalent in the north east at the time...

Yeah TBH mate not that much scares me but the thought of being spiked with acid and thinking you're losing your mind would terrify me..

Psychedelic drugs scare me anyway as the thought of having a bad trip and wanting it to end but not being able to make it end is enough to keep me well away from anything like that....Just doesn't sound like "fun" to me.

As you know mate I've had my share and pharmaceutical opiates and then some and they are relaxing and enjoyable to an extent but thinking the world is made of lego and giant rats are coming at you from out of the walls doesn't sound like my idea of fun..

Regarding the E incident....once I'd calmed down and realised there wasn't much I could do about it we all went clubbing and the rest of the night was ok but as I say I never wanted a repeat...Just wasn't my thing I suppose. Just like weed, alcohol, stims etc.. aren't my cup of tea either.....it's each to their own isn't it really....

Edit...yeah I know meth isn't just stronger caffeine and they work on different neurotransmitters but I'm very sensitive to hyper-noradrenergic reactions to things...it's one of the reasons why my methadone detox was so painful and why clonidine helped me so much...

If I'm 100% truthful and you put some crystal meth in front of me now I'd be curious but nor so curious that I'd ever bother to go and seek it out. Perfectly honest with you mate, my life's a big enough mess as it is without adding things to make it even worse.... I'm really struggling at the moment bro.... And I mean really, really struggling

Iirc, doves were around late 80s/early 90s. Then the quality of pills took a downward turn for a few years until the mitzi's arrived around 97/98. Mixmag hailed them as the saviour of dance music..

Sorry to hear you're having a bad time mate, but I'm sure you'll bounce back before too long take care..

 

[Eveleivibe]

We started taking them for a laugh at first because one of the lecturers had a monotone voice so we joke we were taking them to stay awake. Lol yea caffeine isn't nice the more you take its counteractive.

Evey