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Does speed even get you high?

Classy (though you'd have to say thorazine without the a ;))

Hows about:

look at adderall,
take that weight from your two grams,
what the fuck is left?
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Yeh that should be fine.... (unless its shit ;) )
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Oh it'll be shit of that I'm in no doubt. Just logging onto the dimly lit web for a looksee. "Finest glucose lovingly wafted over worming powder with a hint of daz". All the reviews will say "This got me noodle grooving to the max".
 
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Eveyvibe said:
hahahahaha

Ok an ignorant question approaching (sorry) when people say whizz are they referring to speed? I've always wanted to ask my mate in recovery but didn't wanna appear a pleb lol

Evey
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Whizz is generally accepted to be amphetamine sulphate, a normally white power or paste. In the UK most people would call that speed but in soem cultures speed can also mean Methamphetamine / crystal meth
 
deano88 said:
I've always called it base, phet or billy.
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Indeed, base seemed to be a term that started coming into use in the later 90s, it's clearly never actually meant base amphetamine as that is way to unstable. These days base seems a cover all term for amphetamine sulphate more often soaked in solvent wash for reasons that I can't fathom since I've had good stuff come that way that clearly hasnt been cut. I always dry it out, the solvent definitely doesn't get you high !

Sulph, Phet, billy, base vene whizz, the slang tells you very little and some of what passes for any of them is quite appalling, 100mg of sulphate should have you bouncing off the walls even if you do use regular, when I here people talk about doing 1/2 a G or more at a time you know it's shite, the danger being they get real speed one day and get into a mess. I always start with a small line, maybe 20-30mg to get an idea of the potency.

Just today I managed to get some sulphate sold already dried out, common sense at last :)
 
According to this book I read (a father n daughter wrote it, the daughter was the addict n the father was concerned) crystal meth is apparentky one of the most addictive drugs there is with real bad come downs. I'm only going by what I've read as obviously I've never tried it. But apparently this girl had become addicted after the first use because the comedown was so extremely she needed to keep taking more crystal meth.

She was put in rehab for a year to overcome her addiction to it.

Evey
 
Allein said:
Indeed, base seemed to be a term that started coming into use in the later 90s, it's clearly never actually meant base amphetamine as that is way to unstable.
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It actually started in the early-mid 90s and definitely did refer to amphetamine base oil originally. However, I've belaboured this point a gazillion times so won't go over it again other than to point out it was a very, very niche market originally. Then people learned that you could add a fuckload of glucose to the freebase and it would produce a semi-stable paste which was somewhat more practical to sell (but would still not last long outside of a freezer). Initially nobody would buy the stuff because it was always considered "too strong" (same applied to methamphetamine which was also a part of that "niche" market at the time). Gradually this original "base" was replaced by essentially bogstandard powder speed with stinkynasty solvents added to replicate the feel of the original and thus "base" as we all know and (mostly) hate it was borne.

Here endeth the history lesson ;)
 
I guess it varied locally, in the early 90s I was quite friendly with a guy that brought in base and cut it for sale as speed, he wouldnt sell the base paste to people he didnt know as he was concerned about people over doing it, he never pretended he was selling base with the cut product.

That stuff was far more putty like but would dry out and cut up to a powder, I assume much less of the solvent wash was removed. I brought from him for years and always avoided cut to shit stuff mainly due to the difficulty in dosing, back then I only used speed with MDMA, Mrs A has always been very partial, preferring small doses of MDMA topping up with speed. IMO cut product is far more problematic than consistent potent stuff, I recall someone necking a G of speed in the back oof my car on the way to a party, she was a friend of Mrs A's and I thought she knew the score as I'd provided said drugs, she was OK but got a great deal more than she bargained for.

the guy eventually packed it in and supply was patchy and poor so I stopped taking it for a good while, in the last few years I've found you can get decent speed but you do have to seek it out, this paste nonsense seems to be a license to stuff the stuff to beggery but folk still sell it unmolested. I believe the DN has driven up quality, the dried sulfate I received today is more than decent, I'd be surprised if it had been cut at all, certainly a modest line was enough to feel a distinct head rush and a clarity of thought that can only be achieved at Hyperspeed ;)
 
Anyone tried the d-isomer methamphetamine orally? Supposed to have been left in a room near some amphetamine once - as good as the very best worming powder.
 
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^^ There was no doubt variation across the land as with all such matters. I suppose I feel a certain specific tie to this particular matter cos I was very much a part of that "very, very niche" market and know for a fact that anybody who bought speed of any form throughout the midlands and surrounding areas in the early-mid 90s was buying it from myself, close friends of mine or - as we were - direct from the chemist himself who was selling pure amphetamine base oil to certain customers. Said certain customers initially kept it for themselves but it was too damn good to stay that way for long and as the supply increased with demand "we" found ways to make it more viable as a consumer product and thus a legend was born and a shitey aftermath ensued when people realised you could sell any ol' shit as long as it was wet and stinked bad enough :\
 
Used to hate speed untill i tried what im guessing is slighty above average stuff. Usually id arrive home from the rave busted, wanting nothing but water sleep and benzos but with the speed id get home from a rave and get to work on cleaning the house, uni work, new paintings and all sorts of manic semi productive behaviour with no sleep in sight. Obviously not healthy but its damn good fun once in a while. Might have another blast at it soon as I haven't had any stims apart from caffeine/kratom? since august. Cant touch any serotonin releasers again or at least for a long long time so hopefully the speed isnt cut with any!
 
Ismene said:
Anyone tried the d-isomer methamphetamine orally? Supposed to have been left in a room near some amphetamine once - as good as the very best worming powder.
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I have some of said substance ...allegedly but I wouldn't take meth orally, I'm not even that keen on smoking it. given the tiny quantities snorting seems most effective for me although plugging is also a fine ROA....eating it is so traditional ;)



Shambles said:
^^ There was no doubt variation across the land as with all such matters. I suppose I feel a certain specific tie to this particular matter cos I was very much a part of that "very, very niche" market and know for a fact that anybody who bought speed of any form throughout the midlands and surrounding areas in the early-mid 90s was buying it from myself, close friends of mine or - as we were - direct from the chemist himself who was selling pure amphetamine base oil to certain customers. Said certain customers initially kept it for themselves but it was too damn good to stay that way for long and as the supply increased with demand "we" found ways to make it more viable as a consumer product and thus a legend was born and a shitey aftermath ensued when people realised you could sell any ol' shit as long as it was wet and stinked bad enough :\
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I've never seen base oil but I know its not at all stable, can you shoot it ?? I guess you'd only get that from the lab as it's not far off sulphate at that point...he says whilst avoiding synthy talk
 
I'll simply say that there were no middle men between myself and the cook and that said cook was supplying vast swathes of the country singlehandedly throughout large parts of the 80s and 90s (and had the lack of fingers to prove it :D). It was essentially a bit of an experiment - a treat if you will - for some of his more loyal customers initially. He mostly produced (very) large quantities of sulphate powder that was so common (and frankly bloody good) in the pre-base era but also produced small quantities of meth for himself and selected clientele. Then, one day, he offered pure 'phet oil to this same clientele after having gotten around to playing silly buggers and guinea pigging it for recreational purposes himself.

It was certainly injectable (certainly not advisable but... lawdy that rush was truly fekkin godly <3). Much like crack and other freebase substances it didn't really mix with plain water but - as with such other freebases - it is certainly doable with minor knowledge and/or complete absence of self-preservation instinct. I have no doubt it was these experiences that have clouded my view or all amphetamine products since cos - almost by definition - nothing is gonna really compete with that. Even the heavily cut end product (freebase oil cut with a shitload of glucose and sold (at at twice the price of standard phet powder) with strict instructions to keep in the freezer and use with extreme caution in regards to dosing) was frikkin insane on the potency scale. Even as a hardcore and heavy user a gramme would last me five days and I'd be bug-eyed and bouncing off the walls the whole time. "Normal" users genuinely used to give it back to us and ask for it to be cut more heavily cos it was too much for them to know what to do with.

To make it clear, this stuff was never originally intended for widespread distribution but... you know what speedfreaks are like when they are off on one and us speedfreaks really were off on one when we laid hands on this stuff. I'd be surprised if half the people we sold to ever came back for more but those that did were uberfiends like ourselves and so the ripples spread and so the mythology grew and so we ended up with almost nobody who actually had experience of that (afaik) original "true" base source but learned that stinky, caustic, readily evaporated leving barely active powder pastes = "base" = "best speed you can get".

This is the story as far as my own knowledge and experience of the matter goes anyway.
 
I havent brought off the street in years but from what folks are saying the quality is varying wildly which is a real danger as near source sulphate becomes easier to obtain. I've always found amphetamine a relatively predictable substance but even during periods of daily use I don't take huge doses, I don't shoot as it's just never been my thing.

Stuff I've had recently claiming to be 70-80% is properly potent (fuck knows about percentages) , a modest line is enough for a good few hours and more than 1/2 a g in 24 hrs and I'm taking the piss or being a drug pig (so I often do that) I dread to think of the consequences of someone bombing 1/2 a G or more of that stuff with no knowledge of what was comming. I find good sulphate to hit almost as hard as meth, it's never really made me all that paranoid but it certainly has the potential.

Without banging on about it I would urge anyone to take a small initial dose an work up, the duration is such that you'll get there in small steps without winding up a sweaty paranoid mess in the corner.

I've just got hold of some blue meth !! marketing, it's taking over the world
 
I've got some of the "clear, transparant shards" - as synthed by Walter himself.

You never tried methamphetamine orally thten allein? I'm only after something to give me a boost for the housework :)
 
lysergamide said:
Pure amphetamine you'd be able to feel at 30-60mg...especially if an irregular user, 2g (if the speed is meant to be good quality) is a fairly big amount and sounds more like average speed (from the ratio of batches I've came across good:bad) but should've kept you up a few days. Speed gets you seriously high in large doses, it feels more subtle than MDMA for example and due to the enhanced cognitive functions and sharpness you'd be acting/feeling more normal but you'd definitely be fucked out your head.

I know some people are saying dry it out, i personally find unless you're going to do it right there and then in weaker batches it looses potency, might just be me though. Speeds a great one though, just unfortunately you're much more likely to find shit batches and it's a bit like coke were because of that generally people do not know the proper potency it should be.
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Dunno what type of speed you are referring to.
I have no methamphetamine experience, my experience is from base, the smelly white stuff we do here in the UK and Europe.
I've had laboratory tested 75% purity speed and it took me over a gram to get a decent buzz, even though others around me (who are more hardcore than me) got off at much less than that.
This is oral dosing.
I don't consider myself hardcore at all, I like to think I am a lighweight actually, as it's cheaper, and lightweights spend less money but get better highs)

I don't do speed regularly at all, but I did once have a three year addiction it a fwe years ago.
I think that past addictions must permanently alter speed tolerance, because, why would it take me so much to get high? especially when my first ever speed experience took a mere quarter of a gram of not lab tested quality level verified speed, unless trazodone raises tolerance? Can't see it, as trazodone isn't a dopamine drugs.
 
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