Do men really believe that women are their equal?

[Zulkifar]

I think a lot of people, esp. men because of the way society makes them feel, think that showing your emotions and letting them out = weakness. That is absolutely not the truth.

You know, a lot of the men's movements these days are advising to stick to the traditional role of not showing emotions as the feminisation of men is actually backfiring as women who think they want a 'sensitive guy' end up losing attraction for them, even sometimes outright turning against them with hatred and contempt.

I've seen this happen too many times to see it as just a theory. And I think it's based on biology too. Not conditioning or culture...

 

[double ewe]

Women still don't get paid as much as men do for doing the same jobs, for example.

until you control for experience, education and time off for maternity, at which point the gap goes away. in fact, in many major metropolitan areas in the US, the wage gap goes the other way for younger women as the educational gap (women being admitted to, and succeeding in, college more so than men) has reversed.

You know, a lot of the men's movements these days are advising to stick to the traditional role of not showing emotions as the feminisation of men is actually backfiring as women who think they want a 'sensitive guy' end up losing attraction for them, even sometimes outright turning against them with hatred and contempt.

I've seen this happen too many times to see it as just a theory. And I think it's based on biology too. Not conditioning or culture...

that's been my experience as well. women don't want a sensitive guy. they want a strong guy who is sensitive to them.

 

[whattodohere]

you trollin?

This is unbelievably sexist. A man's emotional suppression and blunting may be of use during times of stress when he needs to take action. I take it as this is what you refer to as "emotional strength".

But a woman's high emotional intelligence, empathy, and communication skills are more valuable.

So you are right, the genders complement each other.

ROFL. So it's ok to be a female sexist, but not male. OP was kind of a troll, but he did an amazing thing. He revealed that some females not only believe they are superior, but that comments like that are totally find and valid, while the opposite is "repulsive."

For that, I commend you OP. Way to troll out the ignorance

 

[Zulkifar]

that's been my experience as well. women don't want a sensitive guy. they want a strong guy who is sensitive to them.

If only a lot of them would be better at describing exactly what they want 8)

I just find it funny you need the likes of pick up artists to explain it for them

 

[alasdairm]

ROFL. So it's ok to be a female sexist, but not male. Yeah, I knew this forum was bullshit. Came on for the first time in several months. OP was kind of a troll, but he did an amazing thing. He revealed that some females not only believe they are superior, but that comments like that are totally find and valid, while the opposite is "repulsive."

For that, I commend you OP. Way to troll out the ignorance

the only think the op did was demonstrate that he doesn't understand the meaning of 'equality' in the context of a discussion on gender equality...



alasdair

 

[infestedpasta]

women actually have more complex bodies then men... Whatever that means.

I think ineffectually both sexes have there strengths. We need mans logic and emotional bluntness, and women's emotional-ness to create a balance.

Thats what ying and yang is all about... right?

 

[exarkann]

let's turn the question around:
do women *really* think of men as equals?

 

[Noodle]

That may be a question worthy of its own thread.

 

[hyroller]

I've definitely been conditioned to afford men more respect than women..... so I've purposefully built my character strengths upon more traditionally masculine qualities such as logic & reason... but I believe I have the astrological pre-disposition to hone those intrinsic traits as it were, as well.

I believe all humans are equally capable of treacherous and magnificent deeds, regardless of gender. I think gender, for the most part, has an unequivocal effect on the way the sexes communicate between and amongst each other... a political bias, more or less, which essentially is an extension of our radically different anatomical/biological forms. It is plain for anyone to see though that men do have a slightly easier run in life, something we can probably attribute to the ancient cultures' complete and utter worship of the masculine form, and its doubtful disregard of the emotionally unhinged 'feminine' ideal.

I am glad that being a woman has enabled me to be so in tune with my emotions, as this (I feel) is a big part of what it means to be a human, and not merely a creature. While I do (and always have had) intense feelings of sexual desire towards men - and no doubt always will - I absolutely feel no envy for the testosterone-driven race....for that very reason. and not to mention, penis envy is creepy

 

[Don Quixote]

I have no doubt I'm as emotional as you, Highroller, as am I just as capable of emotions of the other sex.
I may just show/express these emotions differently from time to time.

 

[jezebella]

funny how the OP is phrased as women not being equal to men, when that also intrinsically means men are not equal to women. think outside your gender box, little boy. i suppose history, psychology, feminism, anti-psychiatry and the rest have passed you by, as you crouch under your stone.

EDIT: as a side note, isn't it interesting that people like this (some people posting here, but i do mean this as a very general thing) refer to "females" or "a women", way to pathologise half the human race...

 

[ebola?]

I believe the diversity between different men, and clearly different women, to supersede vastly any stable group-based difference between the two, these latter differences subject to processes of social construction, as biology refracts through the social, as we perceive and then act upon our sexed bodies through gendered lenses and practices. Given that I give ethical value to reconstructing the social so as to enlarge the scope of human freedom, I believe that we must dismantle practices of gendered domination. Part of this domination involves myths about and even myopic but trivially and roughly true accounts of differences between the average man and woman in our society.

ebola

 

[augustaB]

I believe that men and women complement eachother, but I do not believe that women are equal to men. No way do women have the emotional strength of a man, not even close. Just biology.

Yeah I agree, women are pretty much superior in every way.

 

[jezebella]

Yeah I agree, women are pretty much superior in every way.

oh come on, give him credit for the genius of talking about emotions and then citing biology, that was truly inspired. i mean, why talk about an actual, irrefutable difference (like, say, women bearing children and men not) when you can come out with something irrelevant?

it would be funny if so many people weren't thick enough to believe this stuff.

 

[Help?!?!]

Of course I do. I hold all life in the same regard. Everything's value is equal.

 

[MynameisnotDeja]

let's turn the question around:
do women *really* think of men as equals?

Overall? Yes. On a smaller level, depends on the man.

There are guys who would pound me into the ground with one hit and guys who's asses I could probably kick... there are guys who would inspire me with their emotional strength and guys who are so emotionally unaware they don't even know what they are feeling. Overall I think men and other men are as different from each other as women are different from men.

I think a lot of this gender difference stuff is kinda falling into the past, and it's just perpetuated by stupid movies and what not (and maybe a few people like K12). But it hasn't really been my experience in life.

 

[theotherside]

Yes I do......my g/f can outwit me, outsmart me, and keep me guessing as to what she is thinking on a Sunday afternoon....while she knows exactly what I want to do(watch football).
On another note I had to take empathogens(entactogens) to be able to feel love for world and cry at sad movies where as women generally are able to do these things at an early age.

 

[qwe]

Yes I do......my g/f can outwit me, outsmart me, and keep me guessing as to what she is thinking on a Sunday afternoon....while she knows exactly what I want to do(watch football).
On another note I had to take empathogens(entactogens) to be able to feel love for world and cry at sad movies where as women generally are able to do these things at an early age.

the first case study is in

let's get 100,000 more of these and apply some statistics and we'll have our answer

 

[Inoxia]

I believe men and women are "equal" per se, but that's not really the right word for that context. We are different, yet we are equal?

 

[rant*N*rave]

until you control for experience, education and time off for maternity, at which point the gap goes away. in fact, in many major metropolitan areas in the US, the wage gap goes the other way for younger women as the educational gap (women being admitted to, and succeeding in, college more so than men) has reversed.

Not true. I have posted links that explain it pretty thoroughly.

that's been my experience as well. women don't want a sensitive guy. they want a strong guy who is sensitive to them.

This is true, but not odd. You can be strong AND sensitive rather easily. Men just often get confused about how to do both and when to use the "appropriate" behaviors. And I don't blame them for it - society doesn't make it easy a lot of the time.