MynameisnotDeja
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Anyone who doesn't think that women are the most powerful sex has never been a woman.
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Do men really believe that women are their equal?
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Anyone who doesn't think that women are the most powerful sex has never been a woman.
If I could have chosen before birth and knowing what I know now, I'd always tick the "guy" box. I value fine motor skills, physical competitiveness, rationality and logic. These things make me happy.
For me it comes down to this, when the going gets tough a woman can and often resorts to crying about her problem REGARDLESS of her age (I've found) and this is mostly socially accepted even in the workplace I've found. Initially when I was younger and hence interacted mainly with younger women I thought they were still maturing, but my life experience from then on leads me to believe otherwise (your mileage may vary). I have had female friends comment that "sometimes I just need to cry". I just can't understand that mentality and would hate to be like that.
Disclaimer: As with the accepted generalities of the psychological and sociological traits of different dog breeds there is greater variance within a sex thanbetween the sexes. However, my own personal experience in the sciences and mathematics leads me to believe that the male brain on average takes less time to absorb advanced concepts (at least mine does) in the language of logic (mathematics). This does not exclude an individual female being able to learn a particular concept faster than a particular male in the class or that a female excels in the subject as a whole. Also, aptitude studies comparing the sexes generally find that when guys are dumb, they are really dumb. My life experience also leads me to agree with this (your mileage may vary).
For me it comes down to this, when the going gets tough a woman can and often resorts to crying about her problem REGARDLESS of her age (I've found) and this is mostly socially accepted even in the workplace I've found. Initially when I was younger and hence interacted mainly with younger women I thought they were still maturing, but my life experience from then on leads me to believe otherwise (your mileage may vary). I have had female friends comment that "sometimes I just need to cry". I just can't understand that mentality and would hate to be like that.
Disclaimer: As with the accepted generalities of the psychological and sociological traits of different dog breeds there is greater variance within a sex thanbetween the sexes. However, my own personal experience in the sciences and mathematics leads me to believe that the male brain on average takes less time to absorb advanced concepts (at least mine does) in the language of logic (mathematics). This does not exclude an individual female being able to learn a particular concept faster than a particular male in the class or that a female excels in the subject as a whole. Also, aptitude studies comparing the sexes generally find that when guys are dumb, they are really dumb. My life experience also leads me to agree with this (your mileage may vary).
qwe
Bluelight Crew
in certain circles... the way the guys talk about girls is absolutely repulsive
it definitely can go beyond "it's just the way we talk / words we use"
footscrazy
Bluelight Crew
I'm not sure how you've decided I have a problem with men, when I specifically posed my reply as a series of questions of which I was unsure of. To be clear, I don't at all, and in fact if anything in the past I've been too trusting of people and have automatically assumed their intentions are good when perhaps they aren't always.
I've actually been thinking about the things I wrote in my last post only recently, due to some hurtful experiences; but more importantly due to some really close, platonic friendships with men. I've really valued their imput because I think the way males relate to each other can be quite different to the way they talk/act when girls are around. My last post was 'wondering aloud' precisely because I don't know the answer to this question; I find it more 'ironic' that you'd make a judgement on me when the point of my post was that I don't know, and was asking questions that I think could help further my perceptions
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badandwicked
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Crying, expressing emotion and PMS'ing should not be confused with lacking emotional resilience. Similarly, not crying and not expressing emotion should not be confused with emotional fortitude. On a superficial level (which is the plane on which I suspect the OP exists), I can see why some may consider women the weaker sex.
But when it comes to the 'real' stuff, such as dealing with tragedy, famine, crisis, war, bereavement, there are examples of women all over the world holding shit together. And men all over the world, when in dire straits, are crying out for their mother, wife, lover.
Humans are only mammals at the end of the day, and while the male of the species (which ever species that may be) is off doing what ever they do, it tends to the be the female left in charge of the offspring. It would be a major design flaw if the sex taking charge & care of the next generation was weak, pathetic & crumbled in the face of adversity, just waiting for the male to return and protect & care for the family. Women are incredibly strong when they really need to be, when tested by life. Stonger even then they may realise.
At least the OP was gracious enough to concede that the sexes compliment each other.
But when it comes to the 'real' stuff, such as dealing with tragedy, famine, crisis, war, bereavement, there are examples of women all over the world holding shit together. And men all over the world, when in dire straits, are crying out for their mother, wife, lover.
Humans are only mammals at the end of the day, and while the male of the species (which ever species that may be) is off doing what ever they do, it tends to the be the female left in charge of the offspring. It would be a major design flaw if the sex taking charge & care of the next generation was weak, pathetic & crumbled in the face of adversity, just waiting for the male to return and protect & care for the family. Women are incredibly strong when they really need to be, when tested by life. Stonger even then they may realise.
At least the OP was gracious enough to concede that the sexes compliment each other.
L O V E L I F E
Bluelighter
Great post.
And the part I enlarged is one hell of a fine articulation of exactly what I have experienced and observed throughout my life.
Kudos.
With all of that said, how often do I need to check in here, to make sure that SLR hasn't turned into The Lounge Lite?
I'll step it up.
Let's all step it up.
This forum has been, to me, BY FAR the most intriguing forum in Bluelight history.
But we need to control the quality, imo - not by overmoderating - but rather by each of us by STARTING THREADS WHICH ASK INTERESTING QUESTIONS & ARE LIKELY TO STIMULATE INTERESTING CONVERSATION.
Unlike this thread.
Which was, amazingly, started by a male.
I'm guessing.
Indeed
It's really the wrong question, or rather what is assumed by "equal".
Someone mentioned we compliment one another - Bang on the money.
But equal ... It's not like we are "the same", however.
Do we have equal "life value" - yes of course.
Are we the same? Fuck No.
It's really the wrong question, or rather what is assumed by "equal".
Someone mentioned we compliment one another - Bang on the money.
But equal ... It's not like we are "the same", however.
Do we have equal "life value" - yes of course.
Are we the same? Fuck No.
badandwicked
Bluelighter
^ Thanks
This is the bit I fear the OP is lacking. So I conclude he's either 12, or has had his eyes shut his whole life.
This is the bit I fear the OP is lacking. So I conclude he's either 12, or has had his eyes shut his whole life.
fastandbulbous
Bluelight Crew
Men may not actually say it, but most are in awe of how much shit a woman can take and still function. It scares us (well me at times). Why do you think the most sucessful animals on earth (noooooo not us by a long way in evolutionary terms) have hives, colonies with a QUEEN (personally I think itmay just have something to do with the success of the British Empire as well - the Victorian age. Eh? )
Yes, because i'm not fixated by some western male centric notion of "strength", and it takes two to tango.... there's 7 billion people on this planet because of women & men....
It's pointless speculating in a manner of the past, or going into "caveman" mode and way of thinking, because you are not in that time and context, you're in the modern world using technology with the ability to see things in a totally different way. Women are definitely my equal in many ways, not least in that the vast majority eat, breathe, sleep, shit, think, fuck and come up with their own bullshit justifications and boring bullshit chat chat just like I and most other human beings.
Knocking down women as weak and "inferior" doesn't make me feel any better about myself and my male macho awesomeness, if anything it does the opposite.
It's pointless speculating in a manner of the past, or going into "caveman" mode and way of thinking, because you are not in that time and context, you're in the modern world using technology with the ability to see things in a totally different way. Women are definitely my equal in many ways, not least in that the vast majority eat, breathe, sleep, shit, think, fuck and come up with their own bullshit justifications and boring bullshit chat chat just like I and most other human beings.
Knocking down women as weak and "inferior" doesn't make me feel any better about myself and my male macho awesomeness, if anything it does the opposite.
It's such a loaded question with all that it implies.
complete bull shit.
Just like race, this has been used by the establishment world wide to segregate and divide people. Think your Governments and Private Central Banks want a united population that compliments one another and is NOT at each others throats? I have some ocean front property in the gulf that grows these delicious black oranges you should buy!
Fake Bull Shit Feminism was designed by the propaganda machine that was Edward Bernase (sp), a relative of Sigmund Freud. Much of what the population thinks are the "real issues" in our society are setup and loaded issues. Real feminism exists and am proud to be the brother of one.
Cheers,
complete bull shit.
Just like race, this has been used by the establishment world wide to segregate and divide people. Think your Governments and Private Central Banks want a united population that compliments one another and is NOT at each others throats? I have some ocean front property in the gulf that grows these delicious black oranges you should buy!
Fake Bull Shit Feminism was designed by the propaganda machine that was Edward Bernase (sp), a relative of Sigmund Freud. Much of what the population thinks are the "real issues" in our society are setup and loaded issues. Real feminism exists and am proud to be the brother of one.
Cheers,
Long gone are the days when women would sit around the cave all day, praying for the man to come home with meat -- unless you are in Afghanistan. Women have come a long way, and like gays, they are "out". Repression is going away! Estrogen is slowly gaining dominance over testosterone as a "dominant" hormone! There is even a 4 star female general in America! Hallelujah! Sadly, PMS is real. It causes agressive behavior, mood swings, etc. Guys instinctively know to stay clear during this monthly creation from hell, even if they don't want to fess up to it. It's cool. It not womens' fault. I'm not blaming anyone for it. Peace. Next it's female world domination.
badandwicked
Bluelighter
So basically, you should have titled your thread 'Women suffer from PMS'.
And we would have all replied 'Yes, yes they do'.
And that would have been that. No drama.
Thanks for sharing.
And we would have all replied 'Yes, yes they do'.
And that would have been that. No drama.
Thanks for sharing.
HippieChick
Bluelighter
GenericMind
Bluelighter
I believe I'm superior to most Women.
Then again I also believe I'm superior to most Men, so I'm not sure my vote counts.
Then again I also believe I'm superior to most Men, so I'm not sure my vote counts.
rant*N*rave
Bluelighter
^Your screenname says it all... 
I'll have to agree with most posters. It's pretty simple. Men and women are different but equal. That is not a contradictory statement. 2+3 is the same thing as 4+1.
I'll have to agree with most posters. It's pretty simple. Men and women are different but equal. That is not a contradictory statement. 2+3 is the same thing as 4+1.
ti.ara
Bluelighter
Where is your evidence to back this claim up?
I think that men and women are equal in the sense that neither is more important, better, than each other. I think obviously men and women are different from eachother in different ways. Men are stronger and weaker in different ways/aspects than women, and woman are more stronger/weaker than men in different ways. None is better or more important than the other. Like obviously, men are in most cases built bigger and physically stronger than women, but women are stronger in other ways. It all equals out, no sex is better than the other. I'd like to see a guy go through 3 days of hard labour and push a baby out. Lets see who would have the most emotional strength then...
While, in general, women are seemingly more emotional than most men, I personally wouldn't say that men are "emotionally stronger". I think that in general, most men feel the same emotions and feelings women do, but they have been taught in society to deal with their emotions totally different than women have. They don't generally show their emotions and bottle them up, appearing to have more emotional strength than a woman who lets them out, but that is not necessarily the case. It's not really usually about biology or gender in actuality.
Your statement is pretty general too, because I have met men who are sooo emotionally fucked and such mentally weak individuals, and I know women, so many of them actually, who astound me with the strength they have and the things they have gotten through because of their emotional strength. I think a lot of people, esp. men because of the way society makes them feel, think that showing your emotions and letting them out = weakness. That is absolutely not the truth.
Don Quixote
Bluelighter
Examples:
Women (mothers) are generally the first choice to whom the custody of a child is passed, when being decided by courts. This is due to Society's culturally ingrained view that mothers are innately better at caring for children, (even outside of breastfeeding age).
Men generally stick to men, women generally stick to women. In the soccer yard, the boys will pick up all the athletic boys before moving to the athletic girls.
Women are well known problem solvers, yet because they're generally quite good at such problems, many times being 'too' good, they are used in the workforce as a tool, more than an employee, being brought in to 'fix' the problem, then moved on.
society views women very, very frequent as objects, or some kind of attainable asset, though this being said, women influence a majority of goods and products sold, all over the world (cars, clothing, etc), influence heavily on social change and states (think back to the 1900-50's when men would mimic whatever big name was up on stage, be it Elvis or whomever).
women mature faster, physically, emotionally, intellectually. Women are generally more motivated, and are better known for their vision/goal setting ability than men.
In addition to my last post, i'd restate that women are, in most cases, far superior to men (shit, just look at big-mama-X-chromosome lined up to mr Y.)
You could even relate human males back to the greater nature and role of males (in nature): The males are generally useless until it comes time for mating, then their role as fertilizer, defender and builder is developed. Hell, many organisms actually terminate the male, or the male terminates its self upon reproduction.
Again, to restate, i feel women and men in our society are unequal in many ways, yet the absence of any of the two would be catastrophic for the species.
that's some shitty logic there, if males could reproduce (actually birth the offspring) i think you'd find males being the center of the hive? But on the subject of insects, did you know some types of parasites, namely ticks, do not require a male for reproduction? In fact, the male is literally useless (save for maybe being required every now and then to keep adding to the genepool..)
Women (mothers) are generally the first choice to whom the custody of a child is passed, when being decided by courts. This is due to Society's culturally ingrained view that mothers are innately better at caring for children, (even outside of breastfeeding age).
Men generally stick to men, women generally stick to women. In the soccer yard, the boys will pick up all the athletic boys before moving to the athletic girls.
Women are well known problem solvers, yet because they're generally quite good at such problems, many times being 'too' good, they are used in the workforce as a tool, more than an employee, being brought in to 'fix' the problem, then moved on.
society views women very, very frequent as objects, or some kind of attainable asset, though this being said, women influence a majority of goods and products sold, all over the world (cars, clothing, etc), influence heavily on social change and states (think back to the 1900-50's when men would mimic whatever big name was up on stage, be it Elvis or whomever).
women mature faster, physically, emotionally, intellectually. Women are generally more motivated, and are better known for their vision/goal setting ability than men.
In addition to my last post, i'd restate that women are, in most cases, far superior to men (shit, just look at big-mama-X-chromosome lined up to mr Y.)
You could even relate human males back to the greater nature and role of males (in nature): The males are generally useless until it comes time for mating, then their role as fertilizer, defender and builder is developed. Hell, many organisms actually terminate the male, or the male terminates its self upon reproduction.
Again, to restate, i feel women and men in our society are unequal in many ways, yet the absence of any of the two would be catastrophic for the species.
that's some shitty logic there, if males could reproduce (actually birth the offspring) i think you'd find males being the center of the hive? But on the subject of insects, did you know some types of parasites, namely ticks, do not require a male for reproduction? In fact, the male is literally useless (save for maybe being required every now and then to keep adding to the genepool..)
Gotta be tender here, as i just came off the subject of genepool, but i'd argue that race plays a large role in survivability of an organism, with or without social constraints, when the issue of fitness of race is applied to a specific factor, or environment. To expand, there's a reason why every last person living on the base of Everest (minus tourists and researchers) are small, squat people. There's a reason why white-skinned people are quicker to gain weight than darker skinned people, and there's a reason for skin color too... Can fish travel over land? They're superior in their own kingdom, as with race and sex.
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hyroller
Bluelighter
I don't believe that men perceive women as their equals, on the whole.
Those are my perceptions, based on a quarter of a century living and observing the human race. Women still don't get paid as much as men do for doing the same jobs, for example.
That said, I'm pretty damn biased towards men myself, lol. Perhaps it's a retalliation thing. But I've managed to command quite a bit of respect from my male counterparts in this life... so maybe it works two-fold... don't let them get the better of you, and overwhelmingly they wont
Those are my perceptions, based on a quarter of a century living and observing the human race. Women still don't get paid as much as men do for doing the same jobs, for example.
That said, I'm pretty damn biased towards men myself, lol. Perhaps it's a retalliation thing. But I've managed to command quite a bit of respect from my male counterparts in this life... so maybe it works two-fold... don't let them get the better of you, and overwhelmingly they wont