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Tryptamines DMT

G_Chem said:
In the end, each to their own but I truly believe the A/B is easier.
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For an STB you throw the ground bark into the base. Stir and pull with a solvent. After reading A/B for so long I can't get past the confusion. Does one throw the ground bark into an acid like vinegar first, then throw the whole thing into a base, acid and all into the base? Or is that not what happens. Can't figure out where the acid comes in. The step where it appears.

No stress GC, I am trying to clear that up myself but reading is still confusing. STB has for sure yielded a good amount but have been curious about the acid piece in an A/B and and what point it comes in.
 
Does one throw the ground bark into an acid like vinegar first, then throw the whole thing into a base, acid and all into the base? Or is that not what happens. Can't figure out where the acid comes in. The step where it appears.
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Bark added to acid.
Acid solution filtered from bark.
Acid solution brought to alkaline pH and extracted with nonpolar.
Nonpolar evaporated or freeze precipitated to yield DMT.

Slightly more steps.
 
^Ah ok thanks sekio. I think the filtering out the acid part before throwing into base confused me. Didn't want to lose any goodies. Goes to show how little I know about chemistry. STB has produced decent results. Even bark over 15 years old seems just as good. But always wondered if an A/B would yield more.
 
sekio said:
Bark added to acid.
Acid solution filtered from bark.
Acid solution brought to alkaline pH and extracted with nonpolar.
Nonpolar evaporated or freeze precipitated to yield DMT.

Slightly more steps.
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Resulting in slightly more pure product. I guess each to their own.. I’m someone where purity matters, and if I can do a little extra to get there I will. I’m sure you’ll argue your STB DMT is “just as pure” though, but we do full A/B for a reason. I’m not gonna scoff at STB extracted DMT but again it’s hardly any extra effort..

Also in regards to time. I find letting the acid solution sit at room temperature for some time takes less time overall. I don’t really count a jar sitting on a shelf as “work time.”

It takes a whole 5 seconds to put some bark in a jar, pour in dilute distilled vinegar and set on a shelf. Once one finds the time, decant and use. Vs.. Tending a boiling solution for hours. I’d much rather the former for efficiency sake.

And while the base can break down the bark, guess what? So can acids… While the acid is more dilute it’s able to sit more or less indefinitely at room temperature. So not really sure this puts STB above A/B in this regard.


I will say, that in my few attempts at doing the A/B the traditional way with boiling, my yields and purity were less than ideal. Not sure why.. But I’ve since just kept to RT acid extractions. If bark is powdered, the DMT can be extracted at RT in a couple days with 3 pulls.

-GC
 
I’m sure you’ll argue your STB DMT is “just as pure” though,
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I mean, a simple rinse of the hexane extract with water, drying, then freeze precipitation gave material in the high 90s on GCMS, if my memory serves,

There's no reason A/B would not also produce quality material: after all there are a finite number of alkaloids in M. hostilis root bark, and fewer still are extractable into really nonpolar solvents like naphtha and hexane and the like, and of those pretty much only DMT is nonpolar enough to dissolve well into room-temperature or warmer hexanes and precipitate when chilled.

I'm just happy you're not pissing around with limonene...
 
How would you guys proceed to purity acceptable for I.V.? I thought that de-coloring it and washing it and recrystallizing it a few times should be enough but was told it ain’t like that with extracted DMT. Not sure was that only disgust of needles coming out of that person or was he onto something. If you end up even with some amount of other alkaloids I can’t really see how that’s problem if they are water soluble? So somebody please enlighten me on this.
 
Isnt smoking DMT sufficient enough?Why iv it?Is this a common practise start off smoking it then proceed to banging it.Just curious never done DMT..
 
I'm having a hell of time getting any crystals out of my naptha from freeze precip , I known it's saturated enough cause I can see the DMT all in the cloudy naptha, freeze prwcip 444 twenty four hours and after this no crystals are present as of yet
 
xanman77 said:
Just curious if any body can direct me to where I could possibly find pre made vapes possibly I'm having a hell of time getting any crystals out of my naptha from freeze precip , I known it's saturated enough cause I can see the DMT all in the cloudy naptha, freeze prwcip 444 twenty four hours and after this no crystals are present as of yet
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How cold is your freezer?

I can collect my precipitate after 90 mins at -20°C. I would assume either your freezer isn't cold enough or your solution isn't saturated enough. You could try letting it evaporate a bunch first then freeze again. If your freezer has settings, try lowering temp.
 
Generally if it’s not precipitating it means there’s not enough in solution. A properly saturated solution should even show crystallization after enough time at room temperature.

The few times where I thought I had something in there despite no freeze precipitation taking place, upon evaporation there was barely anything there. The naphtha holds onto very little once reaching freezer temps.

What you are seeing is likely frozen water crystals. Sorry :(

-GC
 
Mjäll said:
How cold is your freezer?

I can collect my precipitate after 90 mins at -20°C. I would assume either your freezer isn't cold enough or your solution isn't saturated enough. You could try letting it evaporate a bunch first then freeze again. If your freezer has settings, try lowering temp.
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Thanks. And it's prob not cold enough I'm guessing but I can't find the settings on my freezer it's like digital so don't know where to turn it down If need be
 
G_Chem said:
Generally if it’s not precipitating it means there’s not enough in solution. A properly saturated solution should even show crystallization after enough time at room temperature.

The few times where I thought I had something in there despite no freeze precipitation taking place, upon evaporation there was barely anything there. The naphtha holds onto very little once reaching freezer temps.

What you are seeing is likely frozen water crystals. Sorry :(

-GC
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How long do you do your pills? And should you do it hot? Cause I've saved all my solution with lye and vinegar and MHRB in a gallon jug, so to do another pull I simply heat it up for two hours ,or add vinegar then when it's done add the 50 ml of naptha again if I don't have any left from previous pulls. Then extract the naptha at put in freezer in a dish with foil over it right?
 
xanman77 said:
How long do you do your pills? And should you do it hot? Cause I've saved all my solution with lye and vinegar and MHRB in a gallon jug, so to do another pull I simply heat it up for two hours ,or add vinegar then when it's done add the 50 ml of naptha again if I don't have any left from previous pulls. Then extract the naptha at put in freezer in a dish with foil over it right?
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Your solution must be basic for DMT to be pulled by naphtha. If you add vinegar, your solution will be neutralized to a degree. What is the reasoning for that?

Personally have found no need for exogenous heat or vinegar for these simple layman purposes.
 
Mjäll said:
Your solution must be basic for DMT to be pulled by naphtha. If you add vinegar, your solution will be neutralized to a degree. What is the reasoning for that?

Personally have found no need for exogenous heat or vinegar for these simple layman purposes.
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I followed a tek that is what they did bro my bad , I'm new to this shit and don't really like to be down graded or looked up on as if I am a idiot !! Cause that I most definitely am not, I past chemistry with a high A , but that doesn't mean shit when we was never educated about extraction techniques and to be honest didn't even cover bases and or acids that much for that matter, so yeah I would appreciate it how you approach me or comment on my stuff homie, but it may be simple layman purposes to you bro , and yes all though it is damn simple I folloeed the video step by step and my shit hasn't produced nothing but maybe not even half a gram on the first pull and not shit else since!! Starting to get pissed honestly and don't need no ridiculness towards me, just education guess the stuff I have in the gallon jug is trash then, so guess I'm trash the shit and start fresh again, expensive but whatever
 
xanman77 said:
I've only added not even a cup to the whole gallon of solution , but that's what the guy said on you tube
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Very small amount, nothing that should hurt it to much but I guess I'll trash it in the garage and start over over when my MHRB arrives again I guess, should I used something other then naptha?
 
xanman77 said:
I followed a tek that is what they did bro my bad , I'm new to this shit and don't really like to be down graded or looked up on as if I am a idiot !! Cause that I most definitely am not, I past chemistry with a high A , but that doesn't mean shit when we was never educated about extraction techniques and to be honest didn't even cover bases and or acids that much for that matter, so yeah I would appreciate it how you approach me or comment on my stuff homie, but it may be simple layman purposes to you bro , and yes all though it is damn simple I folloeed the video step by step and my shit hasn't produced nothing but maybe not even half a gram on the first pull and not shit else since!! Starting to get pissed honestly and don't need no ridiculness towards me, just education guess the stuff I have in the gallon jug is trash then, so guess I'm trash the shit and start fresh again, expensive but whatever
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No condescension was intended. When i said layman's purposes, that goes for my own extractions as well. Was simply pointing out there is an easier way. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.

Just add more lye (until a pH value of 11 or so, if you got strips) and you're good to go. No need to trash it. Good luck.
 
Mjäll said:
No condescension was intended. When i said layman's purposes, that goes for my own extractions as well. Was simply pointing out there is an easier way. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.

Just add more lye (until a pH value of 11 or so, if you got strips) and you're good to go. No need to trash it. Good luck.
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How much lye? And should I double boil with the naptha in the flask with rubber stopper or just heat solution and add naptha later after about two hours of heating? Or is no heat necessary? Cause I am was going to do one more pull before I got rid of it or try with xylene to get that jungle spice that I've heard about
 
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