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December 2012

-|Twiztd|- said:
I seriously think the idea of setting a designated time for all these catastrophic things to happen is quite weathered:
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I think there are now, and always have been catastrophic things happening. The question for me is not the "end of the world" coming so to speak, but moreso how is the human race going to evolve?
 
MynameisnotDeja said:
I think there are now, and always have been catastrophic things happening. The question for me is not the "end of the world" coming so to speak, but moreso how is the human race going to evolve?
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i can't read if you're disagreeing or whatever, but yea that's apparent that catastrophic things have and are going to happen, i was just stating that, the idea that some augur, or whoever predicts this shit can actually be accurate is overwhelmingly borish, and lacking of any substantial truth behind it:

and i truly believe if something (to touch on your latter statement), that if something catastrophic does happen, it's going to be carnage:
 
Really enjoyed parts of your post mr P.. put a smile on my face :)

'a smile....... pfft that says nothing about it's philisophical value'

;)
 
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chemicalwasteland said:
December 2012, like 7 years away, predicted to be many things.
Such as: end of the world, polar change, next overtone to immortallity, i have heard soo much, what are your thoughts on the subject and try to include references.
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All of the above, and more. Fuck yeah !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
AlphaNumeric said:
I just looked at the Wiki entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar for this stuff, and its interesting to note the entry at the end about "End of the world?". The X.X.X.X.X method of dates is infact an abbreviation, and when you get to 0.0.0.0.0 you simply invoke a 6th term. X.X.X.X.X is just short hand for 13.X.X.X.X.X. Hence the dates go 13.0.0.0.0.1, 13.0.0.0.0.0, 12.X.X.X.X.X. Not cyclic in the grand scheme of stuff.

Add in the bit about how the fact that only from Earth is there any kind of alignment with the galactic plane, anywhere else its not an event. Given the quite clear non-geocentric view of the universe we have, there's absolutely no reason to consider just because Earth's movement lines up with the galactic plane that anything grand or amazing is going to happen, such as the bullshit like "A cosmic gate to higher dimensions is going to open". Yeah, right after the second coming of Mickey Mouse 8)
Of course I'm coming from a somewhat mathematical point of view, but even in things of infinite number some properties or notions can be understood or comprehended. The existance of distinctly different types of infinity for instance. Can two infinities be fundamentally different? If you give certain definitions, then yes they can.

Of course if you just give crappy etherial definitions to infinity like "Its huge", "Its un-understandable", "It is existance" then you don't even attempt to think about it, much like some Christians' answer "God did it" to anything of scientific complexity not covered in the Bible. Personally I think thats a bit of a cop out.
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You're always so serious. Eat some acid.
 
I had a vision last night. In this vision the Invisible Pink Unicorn (blessed be Her pretty hooves) informed me the Mayans majorly fucked up. The world will actually end in the year 2013, what a relief! One more year to partay!

Seriously, some people will believe any fairy tale......

Can't we have a forum for jaded new-age acid casualties to talk about how their arse is God and can telecommunicate with any arse on Earth?

:X
 
Red Earth said:
You're always so serious. Eat some acid.
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I find hallucinogenics don't agree with my stomach (though I've never tried LSD). While I do enjoy the occasional trip, even a strong mushroom trip wouldn't be enough for me to believe any of these bullshit ideas. Honestly ask yourself if there is any evidence at all other than people pulling ideas out of their arse? How many times have similar bits of "evidence" been used to predict something, and then nothing happen?

But then what do I know, I just study chaos theory, you "experience it" 8(

Its a shame these predictions are 7years away, I won't have the chance to say "Haha, told you so" to you all Christmas Day, 2012.
 
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/\ Ditto!

Rationalist acid-eaters who believe in the use of Occam's Razor unite!

At the same time, without the principle of Occam's Razor science does not exist. The primary activity of science, formulating theories and selecting the most promising theory based on analysis of collected evidence, is not possible without some method of selecting between theories which do fit the evidence. This is because, for every set of data, there are an infinite number of theories which are consistent with those data (this is known as the Underdetermination Problem). As an example, perhaps you are investigating Newton's famous theory that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. It's easy to think of alternative theories which fit the data equally well. One such theory would be that for every action there is an opposite action of half intensity, but benevolent indetectable creatures magnify the opposing action with input of their own energy so it appears to be equal. These creatures will all die in the year 2055, and at that point the observable nature of the universe will instantly shift. This is an alternative theory which fits currently observable evidence just as well as Newton's theory. Furthermore we are currently unable to collect any evidence that one theory is superior to the other. Because the second theory states these creatures are undetectable, we cannot have any evidence to distinguish between the two theories until 2055. Furthermore, each theory has profoundly different implications for what we should expect of the future (for example, we may choose to live our lives differently if we know that life as we know it will cease in the year 2055). And finally, it can easily be seen that there are an infinite number of competing theories by uncreatively incrementing the year. 2056 is another theory. 2057 is another theory, and so on. Because there are an infinite number of theories which fit any body of evidence equally well, and all make radically different predictions, if science cannot choose between them, then science can never determine any useful theories. So far the only known way to usefully choose between the infinite number of theories which fit a body of evidence is Occam's Razor. For this reason Occam's Razor is seen as an indispensable aspect of science, without which science ceases to function entirely.
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elemenohpee said:
At least for me, eating acid lets me see through the bullshit, not accept some wacko new-age theory.
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Cool dude. Same here I'd say. It makes me see the world in it's historical context, and how it evolved to the point where it is now, and how it is on the verge of collapse. And then I see nature, which fills that which is empty and empites that which is full, and kind of can't deny that she'll fill the empty space after all this goes up/down.

Then I look at the inforamtion accumulation in our society, and realise that what used to take us 1500 years to learn, is now being learned in a year, a day, an hour. then i graph it all out, and it seems like the slight elevation, in this progress, does a dramatic turn upwards right around this time (not precisely 2012, but around this time), and it's almost like the information which we posses, hits infinity. I think that's something. But what do I know, I'm not a hardcore scientist which needs to put a label on absolutely fucking everything, as if some sort of a fucking security blanket 8( .

Love & Light.
 
Red Earth said:
Then I look at the inforamtion accumulation in our society, and realise that what used to take us 1500 years to learn, is now being learned in a year, a day, an hour. then i graph it all out, and it seems like the slight elevation, in this progress, does a dramatic turn upwards right around this time (not precisely 2012, but around this time), and it's almost like the information which we posses, hits infinity. I think that's something. But what do I know, I'm not a hardcore scientist which needs to put a label on absolutely fucking everything, as if some sort of a fucking security blanket 8( .
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So you're taking credit (because you noticed it, you graphed it etc) for thinking of "Technological Singularity". Sure you noticed that without hearing it first... ;)

Infact, the person who did first conceive of such an idea was John Von Neumann. Have a look at his wiki page here and read what areas he worked in : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann He was "a hardcore scientist which needs to put a label on absolutely fucking everything, as if some sort of a fucking security blanket".

But you knew that already didn't you, having done extensive research into "Technological Singularities", and know that the second paragraph here names him and links to his page ;)

If you're going to slag off scientists in general, you're attempting to undermine the people who are actually looking at it serious (since some scientists are).
 
We had a very similar thread to this running around 10 months ago or something, and I think it was started by 'egad'. I think it was called something along the lines of "upcoming shift in consciousness and 4th dimensional reality", i can't remember exactly, I searched for it before and couldn't find it. I'm sure you remember Alpha.

I presented there some of the scientific evidence about the pole shifts, and the iron pilings in lava. So why would I go and totaly discard science? All I was saying is that you might need more than just a scientific view on all this for it to make some sort of sense. I also wrote about technological singularity, and I didn't take credit for it, as i actualy said that it was a scientific study which was done a while ago by Georges Anderla. And I'm sure you remember this too, because I think you're the one that actualy said that it was called technological singularity. I had no idea, as i just read about it in a book not strictly concerned with this subject. I'm saying that if you actualy do graph it out it works.

So don't get your panties all tied up over this. ;)
 
The truth is, in my own personal, near exhaustive interpretation of the prophecies of the old Holy Bible, I find a measuring stick, or template of events and number of days ( to test, no doubt, before its time), to indicate in phases and time frames, all the way to the culmination of Armageddon: and if my initial indication is correct, the time for such a thing will be the middle of October of 2011.

That's what's up!
 
Red Earth said:
I'm sure you remember Alpha.
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There are two links in my first post in this thread, one of them is that thread. IIRC egad never did come back to counter any of the points I raised.
Red Earth said:
I presented there some of the scientific evidence about the pole shifts, and the iron pilings in lava.
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That its about 50,000 years overdue or something like that? I hardly think that means it's going to happen on December 2012. Infact, its a process which takes at least several hundred years!

The Earth having a weaker magnetic field would result in perhaps some satellites being killed, and the aurora effect happening at much lower (perhaps all) latitudes, but no enormous upheaval or cosmic doorway to the 5th dimension opening.
Red Earth said:
and I didn't take credit for it
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I do remember you posting large quotes from at least 2 websites in attempts to back up your discussion, but forgetting to say they were cut and pastes.
Red Earth said:
So don't get your panties all tied up over this. ;)
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My boxers are far from getting in a twist. Lets just say some of your "theories" are a source of mirth for me ;)
 
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