December 2012

[michael]

It's just a bit hard to believe, that there is so much erosion on the surfaces of those temples, and just in this one spot, some of the clay has fallen off to form a perfect shape of not just one object, but a scene of 4 or 5 different objects, corresponding to the same theme.

hmm, that's not what the link i posted says at all.

i figured you might be into von dannekin as he is one of the primary authors behind all that ancient astronaut claptrap. curiously he seems to feel that only the browner folks in the world needed interplanetary help to build complex objects and not white folk.

 

[Red Earth]

hmm. Interesting theory ....

Good friend google tells me its von daniken. But I havn't read any of his stuff.

 

[michael]

yeah, i have a bad habit of spelling his name wrong. maybe subconsciously i don't think he deserves enough of my respect to remember the proper spelling.

you'd actually probably prefer zecharia sitchin, who is another ancient astronaut crackpot who's research has been interpreted by some to predict some cosmic happenings in 2012.

 

[u-n-I-o-n]

I understand the benefit of losing your ego for a few hours to gie you some perspective on things. I fail to see how not having one at all is beneficial.

It is not that we are trying to achieve completely losing our ego. Think of your ego as a square block around you. In some people, this square is painted black, and in others it is more translucent. The goal is to remove the shades of black, so that we can be more aware of what lies beyond the confines of this block. This is another analogy (next to the chakra system) which can be used to communicate this awakening. People are beginning to see that they are trapped within this block they cannot see outside of, and they are beginning to find ways to make it more translucent and universal.

Now when the vast majority of humans have come to see this, we will no longer be separated by egoic conflicts such as the one we are currently apart of.

Im not going to debate with you anymore, because it is obvious that we will never meet a collective agreement.

 

[euphorically]

Sorry I should have been more specific. I was using "bullshit" in the vernacular. I did not literally mean that your post was expelled from the anus of a bull. .

Lol! All good dude

I'm not attacking anyone on a personal level. If I just said that you all are stupid and don't know anything(which I don;t think is true), that would be attacking you. As of right now I am attacking the vague ideas you are trying to push as the "ultimate truth," and trying to get you to either stop using scientific language, or stop presenting it in a way that's based on any sort of reality.

I understand fully, it's just discussions get way of topic sometimes and become more about each others difference in opinions.

Peace PEOPLE %)

 

[Red Earth]

yeah, i have a bad habit of spelling his name wrong. maybe subconsciously i don't think he deserves enough of my respect to remember the proper spelling.

you'd actually probably prefer zecharia sitchin, who is another ancient astronaut crackpot who's research has been interpreted by some to predict some cosmic happenings in 2012.

I thought this thread was started because someone was curious of what might happen in december 2012, not for you to make sarcastic ass jokes.

 

[michael]

i'm not making a joke. he's a crackpot. his research is crap and his conclusions suck. doesn't seem to have stopped anyone from believing in any of it, though - just like a lot of other stuff in this thread.

 

[euphorically]

i heard somewhere that computer technology doubles every 6 months! wow that exponential! 2012 is 7 more years of technology doubling! timothy leary suggets that machines will take over. (i imagine it like the matrix). This seeems a little far fetched but it is pretty logical. machines control all of our money, computers, vehicles, information, etc. The internet has bots, viruses that go and infect/travel from computer to computer. It has a mind of its own which isnt really that evolved. but if a computer can get information and learn all of the internet and all of mans history and knowledge within a couple seconds

Ain't our ego a machine? Ain't we allready living in a matrix? But yes once computers learn to learn, thats when we got a problem.

i am sick of this fake prop/set world where money, power and materials reign as GOD. More and more people are realizing this and i think by 2012 earth and its inhabitants are in for a BIG suprise. we'll have to wait and see.......

Just in the past few months I have started to awaken to a deep inner feeling & truth that I can't explain. Now is it coincidence that so many other people lately are too or is it just a stage in life I am going through?

 

[elemenohpee]

Ain't our ego a machine? Ain't we allready living in a matrix? But yes once computers learn to learn, thats when we got a problem.

I think he's talking about mechanical machines/biological machines. Are we living in a matrix? I wasn;t aware. Assuming the computers turn into killbots intent on enslaving the human race.

Just in the past few months I have started to awaken to a deep inner feeling & truth that I can't explain. Now is it coincidence that so many other people lately are too or is it just a stage in life I am going through?

I sure hope its just a stage you all are going through. When you're taking a deep feeling (key word here: feeling, emotion) as truth and you can;t explain what it means, then I think we have a problem. That I think is the problem with all this stuff we've been arguing about. Its more of an emotion that you all are feeling rather than an idea. It may be powerful, but emotions have been known to cloud our judgement.

 

[Red Earth]

I sure hope its just a stage you all are going through. When you're taking a deep feeling (key word here: feeling, emotion) as truth and you can;t explain what it means, then I think we have a problem.

How can you explain feelings in words? It's like trying to explain Love.

That I think is the problem with all this stuff we've been arguing about. Its more of an emotion that you all are feeling rather than an idea. It may be powerful, but emotions have been known to cloud our judgement.

But that's just it. An idea is just an idea. It's not in any way more concrete than a feeling that some has.

 

[elemenohpee]

An idea is a well thought out concept, it can be backed up with evidence, changed if necessary, focused a little more. An emotion is a vague "feeling" that one gets that can;t be defined or changed, it just is. That's fine if that emotion happens to be love, but you can;t use emotions to try and describe the outside world, they are purely an inner experience.

 

[illusion25]

use emotions to try and describe the outside world, they are purely an inner experience.

maybe the outside world is giving you those inner feelings. trying to tells us something. If you feel something emotionally, physically, or mentally....yes it all does happen inside. inwards. personal insight. But do you know that outside forces also give us the same insight or maybe more?

 

[elemenohpee]

the emotions are tiggered by outside souces, yes. but what im getting at is that emotions are not always controlled by logic. so just because something feels right doesn't mean it is right.

 

[illusion25]

there is always a bigger picture. And the people who have come up with the ideas about 2012 were more aware than just them selves. Terrence mckenna used psycedelics like dmt to throw himself into space/time where he didnt exist(egoloss) . That way he could look at the BIGGER picture. This 2012 date isnt another y2k freakout! that was just the media. 2012 has been thought out by civilizations 1000's of years ago. very very very advanced civilizations. They had a high understanding of the universe. we cant just come to quick conclusions and just call Bullshit! we should study more from both sides/arguments. Ignorance will get us nowhere. arguing destructively will also get us no where. Argue constructively and try to understand people have all experenced things we havent and vice versa. we all have different realities. maybe 2012 will only be a big change for those who are ready and those who arent wont notice a thing.

 

[illusion25]

so just because something feels right doesn't mean it is right.

i totally agree. thats why temporary ego loss is beneficial. so we can look from not our perspective but from another..........

 

[elemenohpee]

terrance mckenna had some pretty whacked out ideas, don;t put too much stock in him. at least with y2k there was a seemingly legitimate reason that things might go wrong. Just because some people thousands of years ago (not sure why you think they were advanced or had any greater understanding of the universe) had a theory doesn't give us any reason to think it may be true. and the problem is that there is no more to study from the other side. every argument for it is just some group of people trying to predict the future, there is no other "evidence" that we should consider.

 

[illusion25]

well i agree with you. we shouldnt rely on past ideas and find our own. but there are facts pertaining to 2012. The universerve will change. the poles are going to all line up and the sun is going to change its polarity or something like that. it is the first time happeneing since like 7thousand year?hmm? i dont know the exact stats but i can find it. anyways they ARE right about space doing some interesting changes. But whether it affects us ? i dont knw? no one can know. But they are making guesses about whats going to happen. You cant be right 100% but energy and the universe tends to repeat itsself. cycles.cycles. We will just have to see if a change somewhere vin space will dirrectly change us. It seems pretty radical even for me. i am sceptical at first, but then i realized that we live in the universe and even a small change in space would effect us. butterfly effect. ripples in a pond. our universe is unfolding conscienceness and energy. I feel that we must be ready to go with it when changes are made.if they do happen in 2012 or any date for that matter.

 

[illusion25]

and y2k was just a dumb computer error. 2012 is a change in space and the sun and our galaxie. maybe a LITTLE more important??

 

[illusion25]

http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html
read this site and see what can be argued about this? pretty SOLID facts here. but whether this effects our lifes dramatically? we will find out

 

[PGTips]

ery very very advanced civilizations.

Very advanced, yet way less advanced than us.

we shouldnt rely on past ideas and find our own.

So to do that you keep referring to so called predictions of thousands of years ago, and ignore all scientific knowledge of the present? So much for not relying on old ideas and finding our own 8)

the sun is going to change its polarity or something like that.

You don't even know what you're talking about do you?

anyways they ARE right about space doing some interesting changes.

What exactly is space going to do? Be specific. Feel free to get as hardcore with the specifics (break out the tensor notation!) as you like.

You cant be right 100% but energy and the universe tends to repeat itsself. cycles.cycles.

And you know this because?

and even a small change in space would effect us. butterfly effect.

Let me guess, you don't know chaos theory, you experience it right? 8)

http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html
read this site and see what can be argued about this? pretty SOLID facts here.

You mean "dubious bullshit all easily dismissed" as per this link M_L already posted?

Jesus, ignorance seems to be an incidious disease 8) I love the way some people just pass off vague bullshit pretending they know anything about space and time, not just that but has deep understanding, but if I just asked you a simple question on space-time, solar behaviour or bifrucations (thats related to chaos theory and "the butterfly effect" if some of you were wondering ) you'd just go "I don't know". I freely admit what I know about those things is very little, but I know enough to know that what some of you lot band about as "knowledge" is complete and utter shite.

And yes, this is my material ego strutting itself, because it can't bear to read some of the crap posted.