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December 2012

elemenohpee said:
Hahaha, classic.
Oh wait, you're serious.8(
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To be aware of and to partake in this shift in consciousness, you need to drop the egoic delusion and stop feeding it by being so skeptical.

Red Earth said:
I think it was called something along the lines of "upcoming shift in consciousness and 4th dimensional reality"
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It could also be related to the chakra system... for most people in this world, all of their energy is located within the first, second and third chakra's, and people are awakening to the fourth. The fourth is a non-dualistic state where all is one and the feeling of interconnectedness becomes more common.

The more people awaken to this state and activate the energy within this chakra, the more we are contributing with "the planetary shift in human consciousness". The level at which we are able to connect with this infinite source is increasing exponentially, and this is due to the evolution of the human chakra system.
 
^^^ Yeah that's pretty spot on. When one's awareness moves to heart chakra, it's often refered to as Unity Consciousness or Christ Consciousnenss. And that's what we're moving into.
 
^^ A long time ago back in the egyptian times and even before then, weren't we all very spiritual people? Therefore maybe we once had great powers through all our Chakra's.
 
^^^ I'm sure we did. But due to our main focus being on the material existance, most of us have reduced our functioning to the lower centers.
 
Maybe it would help me in my understanding if you could define "planetary conciousness".

u-n-I-o-n said:
To be aware of and to partake in this shift in consciousness, you need to drop the egoic delusion and stop feeding it by being so skeptical.



It could also be related to the chakra system... for most people in this world, all of their energy is located within the first, second and third chakra's, and people are awakening to the fourth. The fourth is a non-dualistic state where all is one and the feeling of interconnectedness becomes more common.

The more people awaken to this state and activate the energy within this chakra, the more we are contributing with "the planetary shift in human consciousness". The level at which we are able to connect with this infinite source is increasing exponentially, and this is due to the evolution of the human chakra system.
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Got any data on that exponential trend? Oh wait, ITS JUST MORE BULLSHIT THAT YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF YOUR ASS. That's the problem that I have with this, its not that I disagree with or don;t believe in the general concept that you;re talking about, but when you put it it in terms of nondescript "energies" and "connecting with infinite sources" (which is what by the way?), it makes it sound like complete gibberish. How exaqctly in this chakra system evolving?

euphorically said:
A long time ago back in the egyptian times and even before then, weren't we all very spiritual people? Therefore maybe we once had great powers through all our Chakra's.
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Take this as an example. If I'm understanding your little theory correctly, this unified conciousness and awareness of the infinite is somewhat akin to the ideas put forth by buddhism, hinduism, etc. That everything is connected, there is no self, the universe and you are one, blah blah blah. Which is all well and good, I happen to think most of it is a pretty good description of the reality we live in. And back in ancient egypt if they recognized this, then thats good too. Probably a whole lot better than the materialistic society we live in now. So they were enlightened, good for them. THIS DOES NOT GIVE THEM SPECIAL POWERS. Its easy to make the jump from say having this "energy" built up in this "spiritual system" to having it manifest in some super spiritual energy powers. But its not based in reality, its a bunch of (I hesitate to even call it psuedoscience, as it has no basis in science whatsoever) BULLSHIT.
 
elemenohpee said:
Maybe it would help me in my understanding if you could define "planetary conciousness".
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Planetary consciousness - global consciousness - gaia - God - etc.

Got any data on that exponential trend? Oh wait, ITS JUST MORE BULLSHIT THAT YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF YOUR ASS.
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Here I see that even if I were to provide some data, it would be pointless because I already know your reaction. I cannot agree more that this could be considered bullshit when trying to perceive it from a point of view which has not yet seen outside of its shell.

but when you put it it in terms of nondescript "energies" and "connecting with infinite sources" (which is what by the way?), it makes it sound like complete gibberish.
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What I am speaking of cannot be descript, it is beyond form. If it sounds like complete gibberish, then hurrrrawww... another one yet to be awakened.

How exaqctly in this chakra system evolving?
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Our state of being is gradually moving from sensual gratification, egoic power, and separation (these being the lower chakra centers) into a more unified and interconnected state of being and perceiving life (this being the fourth).

THIS DOES NOT GIVE THEM SPECIAL POWERS.
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This clearly shows a misunderstanding between us, special powers have no relation to any of this.

spiritual energy powers.
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Once again, there are no powers associated with any of this.

But its not based in reality
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It's not based in your or any other material reality. Time to think outside the box =D
 
Bullshit? even bullshit can decompose and help grow new life. :)

People its a waste of energy aruging and judging each other on a personal level, we don't even know each other & can't judge who that person really is sitting behind that computer.

So just chill, and smoke some more Ganja :D
 
u-n-I-o-n said:
Planetary consciousness - global consciousness - gaia - God - etc.
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Can you explain this a bit further? Do you mean it in the sense that buddhists use the word god? That god is everything around us? do you mean the interaction of all the human brains in the world? Or do you think that somehow all these human brains are contributing to a greater global conciousness meaning that the planet is itself conscious? I would just like a clear explanation of what this means to you, not just synonyms.

Here I see that even if I were to provide some data, it would be pointless because I already know your reaction. I cannot agree more that this could be considered bullshit when trying to perceive it from a point of view which has not yet seen outside of its shell.
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No, I'm calling it bullshit because you have no way of knowing the rate at which these people are awakening. I'm assuming your independent variable is time, now what's the dependent? How are you measuring it? If you don;t want to restrict it with "scientific" terms thats fine, but don't present it as such.

What I am speaking of cannot be descript, it is beyond form. If it sounds like complete gibberish, then hurrrrawww... another one yet to be awakened.
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If you're speaking of these things in a symbolic manner that's fine. You say that it is not descript, beyond form. So have you entertained the possibility that its just an idea in your head? Either that or its supernatural, in which case there can be no rational argument against it, which is very convenient. But realize that as it is not observable in this universe, it is just a belief you hold.

Our state of being is gradually moving from sensual gratification, egoic power, and separation (these being the lower chakra centers) into a more unified and interconnected state of being and perceiving life (this being the fourth).
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I understand the benefit of losing your ego for a few hours to gie you some perspective on things. I fail to see how not having one at all is beneficial. This is tough because I can see your arguments and I accept them, but I disagree with them on some level. I have the same problem with the buddhist view of enlightenment. I realize that the self is an illusion and that everything is connected, but I think that enlightenment comes when you can see this and understand this, but not necessarily live it. I mean I have an ego, this is not up for dispute. That is what being human is about. I cherish my conscious experience, and I don't really want to give it up just so I can become some non-self-aware energy. What good would it do if everyone in the world suddenly became enlightened? The order that has been developed over al lthese billions of years would just disappear.

This clearly shows a misunderstanding between us, special powers have no relation to any of this.



Once again, there are no powers associated with any of this.
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That was directed at euphorically, who seems to think that there are.

It's not based in your or any other material reality. Time to think outside the box =D
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I know, its based on your conscious experience. You've got an idea in your head, and that's about as far as it goes. Think outside your head.

euphorically said:
Bullshit? even bullshit can decompose and help grow new life.

People its a waste of energy aruging and judging each other on a personal level, we don't even know each other & can't judge who that person really is sitting behind that computer.
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Sorry I should have been more specific. I was using "bullshit" in the vernacular. I did not literally mean that your post was expelled from the anus of a bull. And thus, just because bullshit can grow new life, does not mean your post has any of the qualities associated with fertilizer.
I'm not attacking anyone on a personal level. If I just said that you all are stupid and don't know anything(which I don;t think is true), that would be attacking you. As of right now I am attacking the vague ideas you are trying to push as the "ultimate truth," and trying to get you to either stop using scientific language, or stop presenting it in a way that's based on any sort of reality.
 
i think people should do more research and reading on informnation on topics before they start bashing ideas. ignornace=i cant stand ignorangt or stupid people. 2012 seems far fetched but do a little reading. it ties in with almost all profecies and religons today. many people have had the same vision and just interpreted it FROM thier perspective. all of these people who had these visions of the end were highly evolved and so the ideas may seem bullshit or crazy. I HIGHLY look up to terrance Mckenna believe him. He never says what exactly is going to happen but makes a few assumptions. The mayans were star gazers and knew moew about the solar system than we know. who are we to say they are bullshit? i believe that in 2012 there will be something BIG. maybe it will be so big that the ignorant people wont know it happened but the other people on another level of awarness will be ready and then take advantage of the times. people should not rely on fear or ignorance or even other peoples ideas. just accect that maybe its bullshit maybe its not. we will find out soon enough wont we?
 
You're right illusion, no one can predict the future, we won't know for sure until 2012. But this is the main problem I have with the whole 2012 argument. NO ONE CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE. Its never happened before, I doubt its going to happen now. So while I would never say 100% that nothing is going to happen, I'm not going to pretend like I'm giving both ideas equal weight.
 
I was listenin to the Beeb, and the report came off with the stated fact that knowledge would double every 11 seconds by the year 2012 (I may be off from the actual quote). Nothing new under the sun, the past is now, and that which is to come already happened.
 
i have just been reading and listenin to alot of terrance mckenna and timothy leary. We cant predit the future but energy, nature, life, etc.. repeats itself for the most part. it has intellegence and cycles come and go. the mayans knew this and thats why they made this prediction. but also even though the universe always repeats itself in the big picture there is also alot of random things happeneing within the universe.
i personally believe that by 2012 will will be alot more advanced because of technology. (especially computers) i heard somewhere that computer technology doubles every 6 months! wow that exponential! 2012 is 7 more years of technology doubling! timothy leary suggets that machines will take over. (i imagine it like the matrix). This seeems a little far fetched but it is pretty logical. machines control all of our money, computers, vehicles, information, etc. The internet has bots, viruses that go and infect/travel from computer to computer. It has a mind of its own which isnt really that evolved. but if a computer can get information and learn all of the internet and all of mans history and knowledge within a couple seconds, thats pretty impressive. now imagine its awareness doubling every 6 months! who knows whats in for us in the future.
It just seems too coincedental that all of the pieces are slowly fitting together. We should be prepared for ANYTHING, the unexpected. Life is a trip! it is very trippy. and i am ready for a new world , a change in global awareness. i am sick of this fake prop/set world where money, power and materials reign as GOD. More and more people are realizing this and i think by 2012 earth and its inhabitants are in for a BIG suprise. we'll have to wait and see.......
 
elemenohpee said:
NO ONE CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE.
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*Looks at a4 size photo of a carving on one of the ceiling beams from Seti the First Temple from Abydos, Egypt, showing helicopters, airplanes, and tanks, carved 1000's of years ago. :\
 
":..., I am afraid that you have been subjected to the famous "Abydos helicopter" mania, here. There is a simple explanation to what you are seeing, at least, as we see it in Egyptology. There is no mystery here; it's just a _palimpsest_ (though without the use of that term, and which is defined as "... A manuscript, typically of papyrus or parchment, that has been written on more than once, with the earlier writing incompletely erased and often legible" AHED). It was decided in antiquity to replace the five-fold royal titulary of Seti I with that of his son and successor, Ramesses II. In the photos, we clearly see "Who repulses the Nine Bows," which figures in some of the Two-Ladies names of Seti I, replaced by "Who protects Egypt and overthrows the foreign countries," a Two-Ladies name of Ramesses II. With some of the plaster that once covered Seti I's titulary now fallen away, certain of the superimposed signs do indeed look like a submarine, etc., but it's just a coincidence.
What is happening in the photographs is quite clear; just consult Juergen von Beckerath, Handbuch der aegyptischen Koenigsnamen, Muenchner aegyptologische Studien 20, pages 235 and 237.
This issue comes up from time to time on such academic e-mail lists as the Ancient Near East (ANE) List and so on, so we're all pretty familiar with it. Regards. Katherine Griffis-Greenberg"
Member, American Research Center in Egypt
International Association of Egyptologists
University of Alabama at Birmingham
Special Studies
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http://www.ufocom.org/pages/v_us/m_archeo/Abydos/abydos.html

:)
 
elemenohpee said:
So have you entertained the possibility that its just an idea in your head?
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It's also in my head. and hundreds of other heads that I've spoken to in the past 2 years.

elemenohpee said:
The order that has been developed over al lthese billions of years would just disappear.
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what order ?

elemenohpee said:
I know, its based on your conscious experience. You've got an idea in your head, and that's about as far as it goes. Think outside your head.
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That would be well and fine if he was just some disordered maniac pulling it all out of his ass. But the fact is, he doesn't even have to speak about this to people like myself, I've had first hand expereince of what he's on about, without having to read any new age prophecy. And same with dozens of other people that I personaly know. And I'm sure he knows some too. He's tapping into the same energy as many other people, and his concepts are totaly natural to those who have been there. So maybe you should take under consideration, that maybe You, yourself, havn't yet awakened unto certain ways of seeing reality.

Love & Light :D
 
It's just a bit hard to believe, that there is so much erosion on the surfaces of those temples, and just in this one spot, some of the clay has fallen off to form a perfect shape of not just one object, but a scene of 4 or 5 different objects, corresponding to the same theme. :)
 
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