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Creationism vs Evolution

rickolasnice

rickolasnice

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If God created all life on earth in their current form, and Gods creations are perfect.

Why does the sun give you cancer?

Why do the male testicles have to be outside the body?

Why do snakes have a shrivelled lung that doesn't do anything?

Why do we have teeth that rot and decay?

Why does skin burn under sunlight?
 
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I take it you are frantically searching creationist websites to try to find an answer to this..

You won't find anything.. creationists don't like to think about the problems with design.. that's why they're so focussed on trying to debunk the theory of evolution..
 
No I was answering posts.
Your question is loaded.
And doesnt do anything to prove evolution
in anyway.
Another fail
You're thread title should read:
"Anothed failed thread"
 
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-_-

You really think my aim of that post was to prove evolution?

No. I am simply asking you, if we were designed and we are a perfect design.. then why these things?

Going to answer them?

Just pick a couple..

And you wasn't responding to posts and you're not now.. you're blatantly searching creationist site.

Maybe you'll like this one better?

If all gods creatures were created perfectly, why did he decide to get ride of most of them?
 
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You're asking a loaded question to start and then you want someone to answer this dishonest question by giving hypotheses on
unknown suppostion.
Let me ask you:
How long you been gay?
When did you first have homosexual relations?
Why did it feel good to you?
Will you do it again like you did yesterday?
Will your herpes ever clear up?
Will you ever be able to scape the rainbow sticker off your bumper?
 
What?

Are you saying Gods creations weren't made perfect?

If by loaded you mean there's loads of questions, i'll make it easier.

What question are you referring to as being dishonest? What is this unknown supposition?
 
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I'm not gay.
I've kissed guys in my teens but was always just a banter thing.. was probably 15.
Didn't feel good.. was funny sometimes though.
Do what like i did what yesterday?
Don't have herps.
Don't even have a car..

See.. easy.. your turn.
 
rickolasnice said:
What?

Are you saying Gods creations weren't made perfect?

If by loaded you mean there's loads of questions, i'll make it easier.
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Are you going to pull out every fallacy in the book for this thread.
First I cant define perfect because I'm not God.
Perfect could be dependent on a perfect desired result in which I am not fully aware of.
In which this perfect result would by definition make any action taken to get this result perfect.
Without wholly knowing what defines perfect,
everyting is supposition.
 
So Gods perfect is.. imperfect by human standards?

So.. humans are more perfect than God?

I'm pretty sure perfect teeth would not ware, would not brake and would not rot and fall out.

I'm pretty sure a perfect snake wouldn't have a useless lung which needs energy to keep its cells alive but does nothing to help the snake breaathe.

I'm pretty sure perfect bones wouldn't brake..

And a perfect creation wouldn't need to eat, sleep, breath, shit, drink.. what's the point in life.. if he created us all why not just make us in heaven.

Why did he knowingly create the apple tree and knowingly let the naughty originals eat the fruit and why did that mean that every single person will be born with original sin? Why didn't he kick the snake out? Why did his perfect creations do an imperfect thing such as disobey him? Is the snake more powerful? Is that why?

Why did he order the murder of thousands and thousands of people? The enslavement of people? The murder of babies? Why did he killl every animal but 2 of each instead of just the people he wanted to get rid of? Who did Noah and his kids mate with to repopulate the world?

Why does he not talk to the poor and the starving? Why do they not feel him? Why do people tend to believe the version that is most prevalent in their geographical location? God seemed to be talking to all sorts of folk thousands of years ago.. how come he hasn't done since? Did he get bored of us? :O Maybe he made a new universe and cut all ties.. start fresh. What if he died has anyone checked up on him?
 
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Again I cant answer on what is or isnt perfect.
I can answer question like, "can got make a rock so big he cant lift it"? logically No because to best of my knowledge you cant logically add to infinity.
So he couldnt make an rock bigger than himself in the first place. There in lies the fallacy.
But then again,
like "perfect" defintion--I dont know what I dont know. I dont everything that "infinity" includes. So to speculate its limits would be an assumption. I would have to actually be God to answer questions on what does or what doesnt make something perfect.
 
But could he make an immovable rock that he himself couldn't move?

Infinity isn't actually a number.

But if he couldn't make a rock bigger than himself he is not omnipotent.

Could he kill himself?

But, come on meth, teeth that didn't rot would be a lot more perfect than teeth that do.. creationists are always going on about proof for creationism is just how perfect a species is at doing its job.. like how the seagulls leg cleverly keeps warm blood flow to its foot so it doesn't freeze or how turbecles on bluewhales fins help them manouvre so well.. the evidence for creationism is always about how perfect species are at what they do.. using this.. we, along with every other species, are full of imperfections using the same scale or parameters, if you will.
 
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Why dont you ask your real burning question.....
Why is their evil in the world?
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Because i know your answer to that one.. why are you trying to get me to ask a question you have an answer to..

But lets consider that.. original sin.. does this seem fair? Does it seem fair that babies are being born with cancer, that children are growing up in such severe poverty that they are continually suffering - Because his two perfect creations ate an apple.. which he knew they were going to do?

Why did he decide to punish all living things to such suffering and for billions - eternal torture because he was disobeyed by his very own creations 1000s of years ago.. He knew they were going to do it before he had made them. Why couldn't they eat it any way? Why wouldn't a loving father want his children to have a nice tasty apple from the tree of knowledge? it's not like it caused, you know.. baby cancer aids tsunami torture.. well.. it wouldn't have if he didn't cause it.
 
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First,
Infinity is imaginary and you should know that.
Second, God cant violate his nature.
This much I am sure of. If making something bigger than himself violates this, then is irrational it doesnt exist.
Doesnt mean he isnt omnipotent.
No, God cant cease to exist.
His nature is existance so he cant violate this,
thus he has always been.
 
You have to admit.. creationists are ALWAYS using animals being so perfect adding that it couldn't have come from chance.. the human eye, the digestive system, geckos feet, etc etc.. the human eye is fragile, easily damaged and quite often doesn't work as well as it shouldd (glasses), the digestive system can not digest everything, but why do we need to eat any way? a perfect being wouldn't. etc etc..

All these spectacular things that are too perfect to have been caused by evolution are too imperfect to have been designed by a perfect being.
 
Why did God colden the Pharaohs heart to not release the slaves so he could kill children? Why not warm his heart to release them? Why not just make it so they were never enslaved.. free will blah blah.. does making him more cold sound like free will to you?

Why did God only show himself to a select few Israelits, declaring everyone else as enemies that need to be destroyed because they acted in a way he didn't like.. and didn't tell them?

Why did Jesus purposely talk in parables in a time when educatiton was poor, and again only talking to a select few israelites.. why did Jesus say that we have to hate our family before we are worthy of him? w

Why did God need to impregnate Mary to get Jesus on earth.. why didn't he just magic him there? why did god need to have jesus suffer so terribly in order to free the hold of sins imposed by god? why didn't he just forgive them?

and why are we still suffering if jesus reveresed the spell?

why doesn't god appear to every single person.. it's not like i takes anything for an omnipotent god to be like "yo.. i am here.. and this is what i'd like you all to live like" ..
 
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You need to understand things were at least satisfying to God because he called his creation good.
Perfect? I dont know if that is a fair statement
to make as I have explained.
Is perfect what satifies/expresses his nature?
I dont know?
You cant fill a jar with good or evil/ perfect not perfect. Good is absence of evil. Cold is only absence of heat.
I would assume Evil is simply absence of God.
Now how this exactly works is a mystery.
But the very fact we have free will tells me (as well as bible) we can be seperated in some manner. Like the sun heating the earth,
we can still feel his presence.
I dont know about you but I have felt his presence before. I would believe in God for no reason other than this if it was all I had.
 
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Why did God colden the Pharaohs heart to not release the slaves so he could kill children? Why not warm his heart to release them? Why not just make it so they were never enslaved.. free will blah blah.. does making him more cold sound like free will to you?

Why did God only show himself to a select few Israelits, declaring everyone else as enemies that need to be destroyed because they acted in a way he didn't like.. and didn't tell them?

Why did Jesus purposely talk in parables in a time when educatiton was poor, and again only talking to a select few israelites.. why did Jesus say that we have to hate our family before we are worthy of him? w

Why did God need to impregnate Mary to get Jesus on earth.. why didn't he just magic him there? why did god need to have jesus suffer so terribly in order to free the hold of sins imposed by god? why didn't he just forgive them?

and why are we still suffering if jesus reveresed the spell?

why doesn't god appear to every single person.. it's not like i takes anything for an omnipotent god to be like "yo.. i am here.. and this is what i'd like you all to live like" ..
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The bible answers all thess questions actually,
if you dont believe in God because you think he isnt just, allow me to point out he would still exist.
And maybe you just dont know the whole story.
Imo he isnt asking a whole lot out of us to be honest. It can seem impossible but its really not.
 
I'm not talking about what God said about his creations (although Adam was created in him image - i guess that would imply perfect)..

I'm talking about creationists evidence being the "all too perfect" dick of a duck or whatever..

You must have seen this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ropaj_04I

I've got a creationist leaflet in front of me here.. talking about whales fins, geckos feets, butterflies navigation, seagulls legs etc etc.. They're cherry picking information to give the impression life is so perfectly designed.. every single species could be designed better.. here's one.. better vision, stronger, smarter, whatever.. and then there are the flaws.. we're fragile.. a nasty fall, a bump on the head, a nasty cut.. these are not things you would find on the creations of an omnipotent man but ignoring that.. it makes ALL creationist argument using this method (perfectly adapted) BUNK.
 
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