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Creationism vs Evolution

rickolasnice said:
I've got a creationist leaflet in front of me here.. talking about whales fins, geckos feets, butterflies navigation, seagulls legs etc etc.. They're cherry picking information to give the impression life is so perfectly designed..
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Perhaps they are confusing intelligent design with creationism. Intelligent design and evolution can go hand and hand.
 
How do you work that out, Tromps? I can understand creationism (not young earth creationism), whereby God set the parameter / started life, but young earth creationism and intelligent design simply cannot go hand in hand with science.. they contradict each other.. unless I am misunderstanding what intelligent design is?

Meth.. The fact you still think that species or evolution thinks it needs to do something in order to survive (akin to Lemarcks theory of evolution) proves you still have no idea what Dawins theory of evolution is..

How do you expect to debunk something you don't understand? Your arguments are nothing more that copy paste jobs from uneducated, ignorant, misinformed idiots.. as highlighted by your copy and paste job:

"They found that the appendix seems to make several appearances and a few disappearances throughout the supposed evolutionary history of mammals. Indeed, they found at least 32 events (and possibly as many as 38 events) in which the appendix evolved independently. This means that among the 50 species which currently have a recognizable appendix, most of them evolved it completely independently of the others. Thus, the appendix is not only functional, its function in mammals is so important that it had to evolve independently most of the time! They also found as many as six times when the appendix had to disappear as a result of evolution. The authors conclude
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Referring to this study: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1631068312001960 which says no such thing.

The people that wrote your copy paste job can't even comprehend what a simple study like that says let alone what it implies yet you think these people know more about evolutionary biology than evolution biologists.

Instead of looking for answers to your questions (which are easily found) you come here with the creationist HOW THEN DID THIS HAPPEN? and then ignore every bit of explanation with evidence to back it up.. only to randomly pick another question.. and repeat.

I have answered SO many of your questions, provided evidence and links and not once have you acknowledged the evidence, much less responded coherently and not once formed a rebuttal. Posting another, unrelated question is not a rebuttal.

If there is a gap in our understanding of evolutionary history (to which there are many) this does not negate what we know, this does not negate the evidence that we have, it does not mean that we will not come to understand it and it definitely doesn't imply "God did it".

Why not spend some times reading over the site I've posted many times http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01 properly.. then, if you have more questions why not look for the answer in science, either a journal, article or get your ass to a museum, instead of looking for an argument on a creationist website.

I know you won't read it and if you do, understand it.. but the answer to your current question: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1594990/pdf/joa_1991_0153.pdf

Also.. you haven't answered one of my questions about creationism.. "I don't know what perfect is" is fckin pathetic.

See where I post 8 verses where God orders rape? And your response is one where rape is wrong when the woman is set to be wed? And then you bring up teeth? Where is the logic?
 
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"So doctor, what I heard my wife say is she has no earthly idea how our teeth form"

Doctor: "Good we are making progress here"

"Wife, what is you're response to questions of teeth formation as posed in video"
"This time try without attacking a strawman"

Its your question time remember
Maybe you should spend your time researching teeth formation, I already have
 
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Tell me.. how is it that a creation by an omnipotent being thought his work was good when baby teeth had to fall out.. surely it'd be better not to? As well as it'd surely be better for teeth to not rot and decay and fall out at all?

From your site:

(1) When the answers you give have nothing to do with the questions I ask and you have no idea. Here is a perfect example:
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rickolasnice said:
So that one verse magically negates the fact those 8 verses in my quote imply god is ordering the rape of women.

Maybe the rules are different if you rape with out the order.



Well of course that's wrong! That bitch is a mans property now!

Seriously.. is that the best you've got? God orders the rape of women. End of.
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methamaniac said:
The Evolution of Teeth: It's Impossible: http://youtu.be/tPC0Ngki-As

Ok,
I answered a bunch your questions now how bout one or two of mine since this is a VS thread.
How did our teeth evolve?
This should be fun

1.You may concede you have no idea and u take it on faith mutation and blind chance did it and save credibility
2. Answer and remove the credibility you thought you had.
3. Just not answer.
Sometimes not commenting is the best comment
cheers
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lol..

You do this every time someone answers one of your questions or you don't have any come back.

2) When your answers are memorized dogma.
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methamaniac said:
"They found that the appendix seems to make several appearances and a few disappearances throughout the supposed evolutionary history of mammals. Indeed, they found at least 32 events (and possibly as many as 38 events) in which the appendix evolved independently. This means that among the 50 species which currently have a recognizable appendix, most of them evolved it completely independently of the others. Thus, the appendix is not only functional, its function in mammals is so important that it had to evolve independently most of the time! They also found as many as six times when the appendix had to disappear as a result of evolution. The authors conclude

Im not saying anything evolved from scratch.
Forget the appendix its function isnt fully understood as it was recently thought vetigial.
I gave you other example of bioluminescence.
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All of your questions and answers are copy paste jobs from creationist websites..

(3) I pose a question, and instead of answering you choose to demean my education
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Ahh.. I see you've deleted some posts in the other thread where you kept referring to me as "dumbass"

4) You play the religion card.
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How many times have you referred to the theory of evolution being my religion?

(7) When an astounding but sound fact is posed to you that may not quite fit into evolution’s origin of species and nature, your response is to demean the fact and above all defend evolution instead of discussing the fact with interest,
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I don't demean any "fact" you provide. They are either not facts or your conclusion drawn from the fact is wrong an I have pointed that out, why it's wrong and provided an answer with evidence to back it up. You, on the other hand, completely ignore all facts you are provided with.

(8) You think you are 100% right about this subject that no person who ever lived has the answers for
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There are plenty of people that have answers for the questions you are asking..

9) You are willing to accept that immense numbers of the most preposterous events imaginable occurred without the slightest bit of skepticism or wonder, simply because someone told you they did.
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Proposterous events? You mean like.. an omnipotent creator creating all living things as they are and that the world is only 6000 years old.. because the bible and creationist websites say thing.. without a shred of evidence to back up the claims?

10) You can’t entertain even the slightest notion that you may have been fooled into accepting dogma that your teachers and books have taught you.
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You can't entertain the fact you are being fooled by creationists and the shit they teach you.. even when I pointed out the hysterical misunderstanding of a simple study to say that the appendix evolved independently in separate species 30 times?

I questioned teachers all the time, actually.. I've questioned doctors as well.. one tried to tell me caffeine and codeine were basically the same thing.

You see, though meth.. Evidence.. overwhelming evidence and vast amounts of it are what makes some things worth believing in.

Can't be arsed to carry on.. but im sure you get the point..

Actually.. i highly doubt you get the point.
 
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How does that answer how an extra set of complex teeth formed?
You didnt read my last link did you?
Or watch the first link either did u ?
How did blind chance know to make the teeth?
 
Again.. evolution doesn't know anything.. it doesn't think "hmmm.. i think we need some teeth".. Again.. proving you have no idea of how evolution works..

And if you read my edited post.. you'll see i read your last link.. and by asking me these questions.. you didn't read mine.

Wanna play a game with me?
 
The debate is creation vs. evolution
I say intelligence you say blind chance.
You have to show how blind chance evolved things while I show how intelligece evolved
things.
see how it works?
This is the "game"
The nature of the intelligence is absolutely irrelevant.
PS I havnt deleted any post.
You are hallucinating.
Mr Dumass
ps you edited after I posted
and I know blind chance is completely ignorant
should make your answer more interesting
still waiting on answer
 
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Yeah.. you did..

Read the link moron.

And how is it irrelevant? You say an omnipotent God created us so our jaws perfectly link with our skulls etc etc.. Well.. why didn't he make it so our teeth perfectly grew perfect without the need of falling out, decaying or rotting?

Read the link moron.

Or is an actual scientific paper a little too hard for you to understand. Oh, wait.. stupid question, of course it is.

methamaniac said:
ps you edited after I posted
and I know blind chance is completely ignorant
should make your answer more interesting
still waiting on answer
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Yes, i know.. that's why i said to go back and read it.. evolution doesn't work solely by blind chance.. so.. did you see yourself in that indoctrination question site? Do you now?

Wanna play a game?
 
You have just proven you can not intelligently explain how our teeth formed.
Come on,
just basic idea of why an organism makes an extra set of teeth it may need at some future date.
I say the design was for teeth to be regenerative. What say you?
See this game is fun
 
I say that's a shit design feature.. but teeth aren't regenerative anyway..

And no.. you are proving that you can't read and understand a scientific paper.

Wanna play a game? Answer me..
 
lol
you're embarraing yourself
Educate me then.
Im enjoying this game right now.
Havent laughed so hard in a minute.
"Bite" down give brief synopsis.
?
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Just say aliens and be done with it
 
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What you dont understand is this is an IQ
exam of sorts.
We are testing critical thinking.
You are failing.
 
I didn't say it had anything to do with this.. it's just a game.. come on.. be a sport.

Although most IQ tests deal with critical thinking

You have an advantage.. im on oxy.. and its pretty late here..

Hey wait don't do it first.. tell me what one you are doing!
 
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I'll let you off hook I have mercy
I honestly dont have time at moment.
But sounds cool to compare. Pm me test
Ive taken them before dont want to brag tho.
I already know you have the imigination for intelligence.
Just dont be scared to question it.
You seem like very smart guy,
IM sure you score high.
where you from?
 
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http://scienceandhindsight.tumblr.com/post/9704207628/pacu-are-a-group-of-fish-in-several-genera-native

Well,
Let me take a crack at it.
A long, long, long, long time ago in a magical ocean there lived a fish named Wanda. (Illustrated in link check out those chompers)
Wanda was tired of gumming her food,
so one night when she went to bed she prayed hard to random mutation for a tooth.
She woke up the next day and to her surprise random mutation sent the tooth fairy to her while she slept and gave her a tooth.
The next night the same thing happened.
This continued for next 30 nights.
Finally she had a brand new set of pearly whites and she was smiling from ear hole to ear hole.
No longer would Wanda be forced to gum her food.
If you havent guessed it Wanda is your great great great grandma. But you didnt get your teeth from her you evolved them by convergence.
But this is another fairy tale entirly and it is my bed time.
Say good nite to Wanda.
 
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