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Mental Health Coming Off Invega Sustenna (Paliperidone) v.2

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@Yeshuah I am interested hearing the results.


Keep in mind that this is one person and we aren't here to help people use drugs

I don't have the time to go over all of these posts all the time. I don't want to have to close this one, as I understand it offers utility, but if there's too much talk of this, we'll have to.
 
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Today has not been a good day for me. Feeling like a zombie sucks and no one understands except the people on this forum. My social skills are non existent and I just lay in bed all day. Don?t know how much longer I can take this.
 
Just as an FYI and as a forewarning...

Per the actual Bluelight User Agreement you agreed to upon posting: we can't push drugs in any way, but merely provide harm reduction in telling people to safely use drugs that they are already set on using.

Also, the logic is skewed. Taking something that largely simulates psychosis to get over side-effects of antipsychotics, will readily send you to the end of the spectrum on on antipsychotics again.

Put in the real work now and you'll thank yourself for it (as I have in this respect). Talk to a therapist and see where things are, maybe you could benefit from an SSRI or something I don't know.

If not that, against Western techniques, please look in to meditation, acupuncture, yoga, and massage, as they have some real benefits, but you're not going to fix everything by chewing down on a bunch of mushrooms--unfortunately, things aren't that simple.

This is a warning. I may have to edit a few posts.

These aren't my rules. I don't like all of them. But overall they are what we have in this time and place.
 
@Ho-Chi-Minh: understood and thanks for the post. we have talked about this in the past here and i was going to reiterate mostly what was has already been said. please feel free to edit this post in accordance with BLUA's and mental health guidelines. (not trying to give you more work)

btw what do you mean western?? (kidding)

@Yeshuah: i keep a running list of drugs that have been tried by those in the past and myself for recreational use and for trying to heal from the poison. nothing is like what we experience as far as pre-xeplion goes except it is agreed upon that mushrooms are the closest. using hallucinogenic mushrooms in micro dosing for the purpose of healing has been tried as well. a couple found it kinda work, the rest had no positive outcome from it at all other than temporary relief of side effect/withdrawal symptoms.

on the topic of psychiatry: there have been quiet a few studies in the past and some of late that have used street drugs to treat mental illness. https://www.newsweek.com/fda-approv...ooms-ingredient-psilocybin-depression-1086759

other such trials have and/or do include - cocaine, marijuana, cbd, ecstasy, lsd and a few others. just keep in mind Ho-Chi-Minh's words, this is a harm reduction site. he's a good guy and just doing his job. we respect their rules here cause we are thankful for having a place to gather and discuss what we go through.
 
@shadypenguin: HAHAHA! good one. and take all the break you need, passive reading has been utilized by many in the past, it is an art form and helps the healing process in an abstract way. in short, we all need a break every now and then.

@zack365: everything else %80 or better and just a fatigue. that's a check going in the plus column imo. rare that it turns out like that. keep it up.

@dellad: cool cool. how's that first month off treating you?

@lifeline: ya those social skills are a real pain. articulating, organizing thoughts and other aspects like even just talking come back around again. reading isn't fun either, take a break if it's hard to. hanging out in bed is one way we heal, hence one reason why we call it the poison. it's your body and brains way of taking care of itself. some have been active and some haven't been but like anything else when we have something in us that is way too much, too potent or both, at first our body and brain do what they know how to do without conscious effort. next comes feeling a lil better and doing more. hang in there.

@LifeAfterInvega: was meant as a serious question cause i couldn't figure it out either. but i did find it interesting that doctors would be faced with women who suffer fatigue from taking invega and not prescribe them testosterone as men and women both have testosterone and estrogen in them. men produce a very small amount of estrogen and a lot of testosterone as women are the opposite.

i'm not a doctor or woman and don't pretend to know everything but this covers some of the basics of breasts and milk. https://www.verywellfamily.com/prolactin-and-breastfeeding-3860902

i'm sick, head cold, but i'm going to gauge my healing with this. before in the past i would get sick and literally everything would halt. head colds would take a week to get over instead of a day or two. thanks for asking.

how you been?

yes, among other medications and before they buy a plane ticked to taiwan. HAHAHA, right right. maybe bill should've joined the armed forces and gotten it done at the tax payer's expense. though from the books he was too unbalanced to be allowed to hold even a pen in any of the armed forces. (i could think of no better actor than ted levine to play that role)
 
I think this might really bit it this time. My dreams are back, filling full pretty much and dreaming are back to normal. Feeling the effects of cannabis. Fingers crossed its really it. I guess time will tell.
Keep your head up everyone it does get better.
In case anyone wondered.
I had a total of 6 shots. 1-156 mg and 5-117 mg.
I did nothing to try to make it get out faster.
In my 6th month I felt a huge difference and by the 8th month I felt pretty much back to myself. Just the few things I mentioned at the beginning. I'm now in my 11th month. I really believe this is it.
I'm proof you can, do and will heal. It does happen. Hang in there. You're doing great. You're here. On earth. ? you're going to make it and be able to say, I kicked invegas ass. ?
 
@invegauser : yeah it is a setback. I believed recovery would be very close by now and then that happens. It's slowly getting better though.

@LifeAfterInvega and @Steph78 : I'm glad we have two new success stories. 8 months and 11 months off.
 
Hello there
Sorry I didn't know that it's not allowed to post stuff about "drugs" as some have posted in the past about MDMA and other stuff without getting a warning, so I thought it'll be ok

For those who are interested if it works, I will talk about it in the skype session with "zack365" and "Offvega", If you want to join us, let us know

@Steph & @LifeAfterInvega: So happy for you that you made it to the other side, I hope for you that this was it and that you don't have to deal with any symptom anymore! However I would appreciate it if you still keep us up to date if there is something "special" you experience or just let us know if it stayed like that after a month or two. Thanks for the hope. Enjoy your life!

@Steph & @LifeAfterInvega, some questions for you: How is your sleep? Is it just like before? How about your sensitivity in the body and the senses? Can you feel your brain and head again? Do you have fast and deep thoughts? Are you able to understand things again when you see or read something? And are you able to remember details about what you have read or seen?
 
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Hello there
Sorry I didn't know that it's not allowed to post stuff about "drugs" as some have posted in the past about MDMA and other stuff without getting a warning, so I thought it'll be ok

For those who are interested if it works, I will talk about it in the skype session with "zack365" and "Offvega", If you want to join us, let us know

@Steph & @LifeAfterInvega: So happy for you that you made it to the other side, I hope for you that this was it and that you don't have to deal with any symptom anymore! However I would appreciate it if you still keep us up to date if there is something "special" you experience or just let us know if it stayed like that after a month or two. Thanks for the hope. Enjoy your life!

@Steph & @LifeAfterInvega, some questions for you: How is your sleep? Is it just like before? How about your sensitivity in the body and the senses? Can you feel your brain and head again? Do you have fast and deep thoughts? Are you able to understand things again when you see or read something? And are you able to remember details about what you have read or seen?
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Everything u mentioned is good except I am having some issues with short term memory and delayed response. For example, the signal telling my hand to click a link is delayed but I had some issues before invega along the lines of short term memory so I have a pretty good feeling it is not connected but I could always b wrong.

I'm gonna stick around for a bit in case something happens or someone has a question for me.

I believe all of the people on this thread should file a lawsuit. It would b a strong case if we all called the same lawyer. This applies to everyone on here from America. What do u all think? Who all would b interested? It's really the only way to punish them and to have a voice. I think it would b good to have 1 person as the leader of said mission. I would like to nominate @invegauser I personally think he is the best to speak for us. He has a tremendous amount of knowledge on the subject and is well educated and we'll spoken. What are your thoughts @invegauser?
 
Does anyone else have delayed response and bad short term memory? How bout you @LifeAfterInvega

@Steph do you use any other drugs at the moment? Could you please update if that delayed response and bad short term memory improve? Would really appreciate it. Thanks for your answer.
 
@invegauser First month is bitter hell. Filled with gut wrenching remorse embarrassments due to the memories with added poison in system causing severe depression. Like someone said, I need something to distract my mind so I am not always thinking critism towards myself.

@Yeshuah I have delayed memory loss impairment. That’s why I need a moderate stress job to keep me active and alert while on the move.
 
@steph78 and those located in America. You'd do everyone a big favor if you could file a lawsuit. I'd love to join you in this procedure. Unfortunately I live too far.
I hope it will have some kind of impact overthere.
@dellad : I understand what you're going through. It looks like depression from the outside. But from the inside it is much worse than a "natural" depression. Any chemically induced impairment is hell.
 
Yeshuah said:
Does anyone else have delayed response and bad short term memory? How bout you @LifeAfterInvega

@Steph do you use any other drugs at the moment? Could you please update if that delayed response and bad short term memory improve? Would really appreciate it. Thanks for your answer.
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Paxil. Dr started me on it a couple months ago.
 
@zack365: set backs happen. you made it into class and the fatigue sucks but you keep pushing through it and making improvements. don't let the setbacks count against you, it is the poison and not you. your progress is still moving forward. remember forward always.

@Steph78: i hope this is it for you too. definitely hang around and keep us posted. your a big support to this thread. on the topic of the lawsuit i would like to put some thought into it. can i get back to you?

@Yeshuah: it's not talking about drugs, it's the way we speak of them. we can't encourage others to take substances, we can say what works and what doesn't. we can't use SWIM (someone who isn't me) because that's like falsifying what your saying and it's pretty obvious to anyone who you really would be talking about.

in this instance try saying i'm thinking of trying (fill in blank) to see what happens or to help with the recovery process. to share what you've tried try stating it like i tried this drug or this med and this is how it helped me or didn't help me.

i can't tell you "hey, go do lots of drugs to make yourself feel better". if it ended up having a negative reaction and something happened to you then a court of law could involve me, BL and even possibly others on this thread.

there are a few disclaimers on this site that are worded differently but it boils down to this is a harm reduction site, no one here is a mental health professional and even if they were they are not legally covered here to give out that kind of advice especially considering they are not familiar with the patient; as well as some drug users try to get away with some illegal activities and it harms the community here.

BL is under scrutiny for just sharing information on substances, after all they are technically illegal in many countries. all you did was get reminded, no harm, no foul. mods are here to do that among other things and they are pretty good at their job, they have to be.

@dellad: it's rough, those embarrassing memories and experiences hit me hard whenever i'm on the comedown from any substance. it's all part and parcel. i'm glad your off the injection and healing can finally begin. distraction is one of the best things we can do during some parts of the healing process. you got us here and can vent when needed. you know it gets better but walking the path and knowing it are two different things, still i have faith you will get through this none the less. hang in there.

@Tina3000: yes. it's also a natural part of life and a good sign your going to be ok. it's called the survival instinct and it's trying to work.
 
@invegauser thanks for the encouraging words. It just seems like forever, and I?m ready to get back to a ?normal? life. You seem very intelligent and the medication has worn off of you. How long did it take for you to feel better?
 
@LifeAfterInvega: really sensitive isn't it? like you were born again and everything you experience is more vivid than before. great to go through, unexpected but a very nice reward. btw, i'm over that cold i got two days ago, seems my immune system is running like it use to again.

@lifeline: time drags on because of the anhedonia and temporary loss of hope. kinda weird how our internal clock and awareness of time passing are affected like that.

a few years for me to be better. i got my first window around that time, spiked real hard a lil bit after that and thought i was healed before going back down for a long time again; the last 6 months of gradually going up instead of windows and waves. that pinch i had a few days ago might've been the last. a lil more time and i will know for sure (better to be safe than sorry imo). please don't expect to take as long me, i'm a negative exception.

withdrawal phase is about 2 months, zombie phase around 8, waves and windows around 6 and then your healed. it's called average healing time because it's just that, an average. we're all different and heal at different rates. once your healed you'll put a lot of this behind you without even thinking about it. track your progress and take the patterns as they come. all part of one day at a time.

distract yourself, drink lots of water, eat as healthy as you can and do what you can when you can. read, post and vent here when needed. after your doing better try making decisions that improve your situation and work within your limits. that's all anyone can do. normal life is waiting for you when you get there, healing comes first above all else and hopefully someone finds the antidote soon. you'll get there, i have yet to find anyone who hasn't healed. hang in there.

@Empty1128: you make me laugh too much. your gonna be just fine. i'm more worried about all those ladies your going to be chatting up once your healed. man are they gonna love you XD.
 
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Congrats @Lifeafterinvega, you are not the first one claiming that once healed you feel even better than before, this is probably because dopamine/serotonin antagonism causes receptor upregulation and to be honest this is the reason I'm scared one day I'll be crazier than before and forced to take meds again... 
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Don't be scared. When you come to the point where you think you have "too much" dopamine. Just think about the time you're going through right now and ask yourself what is worse. You're not going to be crazy. Learn to have the power over yourself and don't make anyone notice anything and you're going to be fine. Always keep in mind that you're strong and take this experience as something to remind yourself what you don't want to be, so that you can control it and make it pass smoothly..
 
@LifeAfterInvega Do you feel limited in any kind of way? Do you feel that you have a clearer mind and do you have full access to your whole knowledge and vocabulary stored in your brain? Do you feel concious and fully "here"? Would you say that you can express yourself in every kind of way you want? Can you have plans for the next day and still knowing the next day what you planned?
 
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