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Coffee, Anxiety and Psychedelics

^I wonder what they were on in Mi Lai....PCP? Fucking disgraceful drugging up soldiers- I thought that went out of fashion with the berzerkers. Then again, in Sierra Leonne they'd get child soldiers to sniff 'brown-brown'- cocaine and gunpowder.
 
swilow said:
^I wonder what they were on in Mi Lai....PCP? Fucking disgraceful drugging up soldiers- I thought that went out of fashion with the berzerkers. Then again, in Sierra Leonne they'd get child soldiers to sniff 'brown-brown'- cocaine and gunpowder.
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Jeez, reading about Mi Lai had me thinking about Apocalypse Now "The Horror, the horror..." Regardless of what anyone was on, in a civilzed society we shouldn't be killing people halfway around the world based on orders from an office... The inhabitants sitting around comfortably air conditioned, their sleep cycles primed with Ambien, while on the ground a tweaked out soldier who hasn't slept for 72 hours makes the final call. It seems civilization and technology has only enhanced our bloodlust.

EDIT: Alright, back to the scheduled topic... I like a nice Chai tea from time to time, though the acidity of it makes my stomache a little more upset than green.
 
General Patton said:
Green tea has always been my stimulant of choice, nice and relaxing, never jittery. My first LSD trip really started when the bird on the cup I was sipping from could have just up and flown off and I wouldn't have been too surprised... Didn't happen but ya know...
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I also drink green tea regularly, and find it quite relaxing. It has a very small amount of caffeine in it, and unless you are extremely sensitive you probably won't feel it at all.
I would recommend it if you're looking to kick the coffee :)
 
tea is the only caffeinated beverage i drink (and in moderation). anything more (like coffee) really trips me out. i don't even dare try those energy drinks. i cannot tolerate the feeling of caffeine. it's like a long lasting panic.
 
TVcommercial said:
Actually, people that are anxious to begin with tend to drink more coffee. People just assume it's the other way around.


I don't think that would affect the trip too much, unless you were REALLY anxious or jumpy before tripping.
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I'm with you and willow. I'm a naturally highly sensitive and intense person, and caffeine seems to 'correct' this for me. Much of the anxiety I used to feel as a kid was a negative feedback loop that started with me being scatterbrained, progressed to self-consciousness once I became aware of how truly scatterbrained and accident-prone I could be, which caused me to inevitably make a mistake or do something awkward, forcing me into an escapist mindset to compartmentalize the embarrassment, causing me to be even more scatterbrained.

But when I struck up a relationship with my old flame caffeine, this cycle never got underway in the first place, because I was able to focus.

My other significant relationship with a stimulant -- my fickle friend amphetamine -- has been a far more complicated and drama-filled one. To make a long story short, just the right dose with just the right preloading in just the right set and setting gives me superpower-grade focus, determination, and attention to detail. But gauging all these things right is a bit difficult, and the numerous 'misses' have had the opposite effect on my focus as the 'hits', even if they've been mostly euphoric.

I nearly always boost my amphetamine with coffee. Of all the things I preload with, caffeine is the one thing I've discovered I should NEVER overdo it with if I want comedown that isn't jangled and dysphoric.

I see the sense in going VERY easy on the caffeine before and during a trip. I'm admittedly addicted to caffeine. When it's all I'm on, I'll drink 6 cups a day. However, before and during a trip, I think all I'd want is one cup to get me to normal. :p I find low-dose LSD and RCs are in the same league as amphetamine when it comes to stimulation, and mushrooms always make me aprehensive as all hell. I could see my usual hefty kick-in-the-ass of coffee really turning a trip bad.
 
I have not had coffee for two days and have a slight headache, but otherwise feel good. Thing that is not fun right now is working out without caffeine...it sucks I became so used to lifting while all jacked on a cup or two of coffee.

I'm thinking about trying modafinil and of course I use piracetam still.
 
when i quit caffeine (sodas and coffee being the big sources) so many years ago i noticed my quality of life improved.

since then the only sources of caffeine i take is mostly in the form of acetaminophen tablets or tea
 
^ yes, I remember periods of life when I was not drinking lots of coffee and just reflect on how peaceful those periods seem. like tranquil afternoons spent in the woods looking at the way light reflects through leaves and just being there.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
I have not had coffee for two days and have a slight headache, but otherwise feel good. Thing that is not fun right now is working out without caffeine...it sucks I became so used to lifting while all jacked on a cup or two of coffee.

I'm thinking about trying modafinil and of course I use piracetam still.
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I have a modafinil prescription actually and I find it to definitely help with motivation. And unless you take too much it's not jittery in the slightest. I think the physical energy might not be as present as with caffeine, though. But it's certainly not addictive. The thing it really helps with is constant alertness and wakefulness, which leads to more motivation. I would avoid mixing it with caffeine though... a very small amount seems to cause some euphoria, but it's ridiculously easy to overdo it, which leads to nasty anxiety and jitters for many hours.

I need to stop drinking coffee also, and pretty much caffeine in general... it's such a dirty stimulation for the most part and it creates these ups and downs that for some reason are hidden during your caffeinated days, but which become very clear once you stop. It also makes it much easier to wake up in the morning when your body is clear of caffeine and the aftereffects.
 
I have been thinking about the whole coffee and anxiety thing the past couple of days. It is kind of a strange because I have had some anxiety the past few days over a couple of events and things in my life. But I have been monitoring my coffee high and my feelings of anxiety and I noticed the caffeine does intensify it a little but when the caffeine high goes down the anxiety is still there it is still there just as much maybe not quite as strong but defiantly there.

For me I don’t think it cases any anxiety maybe intensifies it a bit but not create it.

Coffee does put my though some ups and downs when I drink it and has made me stop a couple of times for short periods. But I just love drink coffee in the morning and for me the positive features out weigh the negative ones.
Coffee is the only stimulant I like, I can’t handle meth, coke, amphetamine they just wreak me physically and mentally but coffee is mild and friendly to me that I just love it.

Samadhi maybe your anxiety is trying to tell you something like slow down and do some
self-reflection or in other words maybe its time for a psychedelic session.

I did some 2C-E the other day while I was contemplating my anxiety, it went so well it showed me so many different intricate angles on it and opened so many doors, amazing medicine.
 
lol I'm back on coffee and getting a hella amount of work done today along with a nice euphoric buzz

guess I am addicted :) :(

squerll, I think it is definitely time for a nice psychedelic session. I have some potent LSD blotters that I have really been wanting to try (its been almost a year since last LSD trip). Thing is, I am VERY busy, and can't see getting the time to do that for a good long while.

I am planning an IM MET trip some night before going to bed. Prep the syringe, jump in bed, get headphones and music going and stick myself and lay in bed and trip, then drift asleep. Soon, hopefully.
 
samadhi_smiles said:
I am planning an IM MET trip some night before going to bed. Prep the syringe, jump in bed, get headphones and music going and stick myself and lay in bed and trip, then drift asleep. Soon, hopefully.
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Damn that was said so casually. I've been wanting to try MET, I've heard it's like DMT.
 
well I tried MET! Its a lot like mushrooms actually (IMing it at 50mg spread into two 25mg doses over 45 mins iirc). If you smoke it (highest was 20mg dose I think) you get a DPT like trip. Slowed Down DMT is what MET is.

Very nice stuff!

Now I have to get my little brain wrapped around some DET and I will 'understand' the simple tryptamines (as if!).
 
stimulants and psychedelics never end up well IMO.

an overly active mind on a head full of mainifestation and your running circles in irregular thoughts
 
samadhi_smiles said:
well I tried MET! Its a lot like mushrooms actually (IMing it at 50mg spread into two 25mg doses over 45 mins iirc). If you smoke it (highest was 20mg dose I think) you get a DPT like trip. Slowed Down DMT is what MET is.

Very nice stuff!

Now I have to get my little brain wrapped around some DET and I will 'understand' the simple tryptamines (as if!).
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dont go through all your stash!!!!
 
Youkai said:
an overly active mind on a head full of mainifestation and your running circles in irregular thoughts
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this is what I experienced tonight with some HB Woodrose seeds and crazy amounts of tea(green and black). But I learned to turn it into something good somehow.
 
coffee has always increased anxiety for me but still enjoy a cup when made properly...........this is what it does to spiders :)

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By mused_soma at 2008-04-14
 
^ i didn't know that was a real study!

i prefer to avoid caffiene in general... it just doesn't feel too healthy for me.
 
i enjoy a cup of tea whenever. i never noticed any negative effects on psychedelics from it. In fact it usually makes me feel better (prob because i love tea)
iv never noticed any physical effects from caffeine at all though, i can drink a cup of coffee and go to sleep, perhaps thats why.
 
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