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Codeine Extraction

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The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has released their discussion paper on OTC medications and possible restrictions.

TGA Record of Reason June 2008

The relevant pages are those from pp17-43 and it goes into a lot more detail on the subject than I was expecting.

Of particular interest where the pages where they discussed CWE. Funny part was when they mentioned in the discussion notes that they had developed the testing of CWE after reviewing discussions on a particular website ;)

I recommend all you CWE fanatics check it out. I doubt I have ever read a more in depth review of CWE methods before with comparisons on Codeine/Ibup and Codeine/Para combinations
 
i did a CWE on some 500/10 strong pain last night, about 30 or so tablets which didnt work very well, what am i doing wrong?

Crushed the pills, added to about 100ml water, sat in the freezer for 10 minutes or so and then filtered through a t-shirt. The extraction wasn't crystal clear it was a tiny bit cloudy. Drank, very minor, possibly placebo effects :(

Ive done this a few times, each one doesn't seem to work to its full potential..where am i losing it all? Filtering? Should it be coming out crystal clear..? I can't find coffee filters anywhere ><
 
^ What were you expecting? Codeine's effects can be very subtle. I find the effects strongest when I'm lying down in a dark room with some music or a movie on. More activity than that really lessens the high.
 
Yeah? I love having a dose on a friday afternoon then going to the pub with my mates, and about 1.5 hours later redoseing (with a dose in a bottle). Makes me chatty and happy. I love it.
 
eggman said:
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I recommend all you CWE fanatics check it out. I doubt I have ever read a more in depth review of CWE methods before with comparisons on Codeine/Ibup and Codeine/Para combinations
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Looks like they are mainly talking about people eating codeine/ibuprofen pills without doing an extraction in turn slowly killing them. Was interesting to see the CWE results on paracetamol/codeine being about 2.5g of paracetamol per 500mg of codeine if dissolved in 250ml of cold water.

They mentioned that the amounts dissolved at room temperature were similar % however this would disagree with wikipedia "Solubility in water 0.1-0.5 g/100 mL at 22 C mg/mL (20 °C)" Has anyone here been using codeine long term and using room temperature water?

As from their wording that would mean a bulk of the paracetamol was dissolving in room temperature water.
 
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Yeah? I love having a dose on a friday afternoon then going to the pub with my mates, and about 1.5 hours later redoseing (with a dose in a bottle). Makes me chatty and happy. I love it.
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Does redosing do much for you? Codeine will inhibit the enzyme that is required to turn it into morphine, and will do so for several hours at least.
 
I'm not a codiene user but I thought I would do an extraction on a packet of panadienes to see what it produced. I disolved the entire packet in 75ml of water. I filtered it three times through coffee filters (as the solution was getting colder and colder) and then evaporated the water by putting it on a tray and running a fan over it for a few hours (an evaporation technique I learnt off mushy users). I ended up with about a gram of powder.

Now if I got all the possible codiene from the packet (192mg) then there is still 808mg of powder unaccounted for. So if people hear have been filtering through tee-shirts/hankys, and only filtering once, you may be getting a lot lot more paracetemol than you think.

(I have not tried the powder as yet)
 
1g of paracetamol is meant to disolve in 100ml of water, so give or take a few mg here and there 1g sounds like an excellent result.

I personally use two layers of very very fine silk like material which usually results in an almost transparent liquid. I would definitely be filtering more then once as you recommended if you are just using everyday material.

You could redisolve your powder to get an even higher purity. Say 10ml should be plenty for 1g of powder. Once you start getting amounts this small though you will lose more and more codeine so it probably isn't worth it.
 
as i reflter and re freeze and find alot of stuff precipitates of of solution
patience is all u need re filter and re cool and re freeze. so worst case we are looking at is 1 gram per 100ml
well enjoy it while it last. but mr PBS govenment man would u rather get our money or heroin dealers? legalise all drugs. drugs are not bad its people and there reasons for using them.
stay safe stay high stay informed, rotation breaks and healthy living people please being on BL is a start but i can't stress taking care of your body to prove those anti-drug people wrong. bit of liver tablet milk thistle can't hurt to help that liver. I also try not to drink at all when taking codeine and CWE.... maybe one glass of red for my heart
 
would you guys say that its pointless to use codeine two days in a row? i did 480mg yesterday and same amount today and i must say i aint feeling shit.
my method.
i use co-codamol (8/500)
crush tablets manually as best as i can
i throw them into two glasses, 30 tablets each, 40ml per glass
warm water at first two completely dissolve all the pills, then i put them in the fridge for 2 hours or so. then i first get my coffee filters wet with cold water and then i pour the solution through. and its sipping time.
 
No its not pointless, but if you do that more then once a week (2 days in a row) pretty sure it will do never do anything for you, and its not like oxy etc you can't up your dose so its pretty much finished once you do that.
 
would you guys say that its pointless to use codeine two days in a row? i did 480mg yesterday and same amount today and i must say i aint feeling shit.
my method.
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Strange, you should feel it. Did you eat before you dosed or something?
 
shhhh they can read your writing. i know new banana flavor tablets with more codeine and they not hassel u. hehehehe its a new discovery so i keeping it myself and all the codeine also with the age of the internet i am sure smart people can get codeine without being hasseled in person if u know what i mean, of course u can't feel shit u constipated u fool: welcome to opiates....; u will feel it it will rip ya ass open so u will feel shit
 
tadfish said:
shhhh they can read your writing. i know new banana flavor tablets with more codeine and they not hassel u. hehehehe its a new discovery so i keeping it myself and all the codeine also with the age of the internet i am sure smart people can get codeine without being hasseled in person if u know what i mean, of course u can't feel shit u constipated u fool: welcome to opiates....; u will feel it it will rip ya ass open so u will feel shit
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Ummm....

What?
 
"Regarding ibuprofen, it was concluded that it was very easily separated from codeine by dissolution in water at room temperature, with only 10 per cent of the ibuprofen dissolving compared with approximately 90 per cent of the codeine. It was noted that this difference in dissolution profiles could further be manipulated by lowering the pH of the dissolution medium as ibuprofen has a very low solubility below pH 6."

So add a little vinegar to your CWE of panafen/nurofen plus? Hmmm it can't make it taste any worse, I'll give it a go sometime soon :) I seem to recall mention somewhere of absorption rates being affected by ph and being better in a basic environment though...
 
belarki said:
"Regarding ibuprofen, it was concluded that it was very easily separated from codeine by dissolution in water at room temperature, with only 10 per cent of the ibuprofen dissolving compared with approximately 90 per cent of the codeine. It was noted that this difference in dissolution profiles could further be manipulated by lowering the pH of the dissolution medium as ibuprofen has a very low solubility below pH 6."

So add a little vinegar to your CWE of panafen/nurofen plus? Hmmm it can't make it taste any worse, I'll give it a go sometime soon :) I seem to recall mention somewhere of absorption rates being affected by ph and being better in a basic environment though...
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LOL. Considering the source of your information, al I can say is how ironic!
 
belarki said:
"Regarding ibuprofen, it was concluded that it was very easily separated from codeine by dissolution in water at room temperature, with only 10 per cent of the ibuprofen dissolving compared with approximately 90 per cent of the codeine. It was noted that this difference in dissolution profiles could further be manipulated by lowering the pH of the dissolution medium as ibuprofen has a very low solubility below pH 6."

So add a little vinegar to your CWE of panafen/nurofen plus? Hmmm it can't make it taste any worse, I'll give it a go sometime soon :) I seem to recall mention somewhere of absorption rates being affected by ph and being better in a basic environment though...
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This is intersting, got anymore info on this theroy? 8o Anyone else tryed this?
 
moderateuser said:
I'm not a codiene user but I thought I would do an extraction on a packet of panadienes to see what it produced. I disolved the entire packet in 75ml of water. I filtered it three times through coffee filters (as the solution was getting colder and colder) and then evaporated the water by putting it on a tray and running a fan over it for a few hours (an evaporation technique I learnt off mushy users). I ended up with about a gram of powder.

Now if I got all the possible codiene from the packet (192mg) then there is still 808mg of powder unaccounted for. So if people hear have been filtering through tee-shirts/hankys, and only filtering once, you may be getting a lot lot more paracetemol than you think.

(I have not tried the powder as yet)
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A lot of the powder can be attributed to other soluble things in the pills, maybe binders or something of that sort. Not necessarily paracetamol, though surely some of it is.
 
just a little footnote about a certain product commonly used 4 CWE, these piticular mob are now adding doxylamine succinate inth there para/codiene tabs... a good potentiator IMO however just double check the box as the ammmount ul extract thru CWE with this shit will just fuck u up.... better off byin it seperate, is also avail OTC by itsself, id hate to see someone CWE a whole box of these fuckers and end up permanitly asleep or with bad halucinations or even total renal failure... be careful and always read the box
happy and safe extractin yall:\
 
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