Codeine Extraction

[rolls]

I might start lining my filters with proper lab filter paper, will take longer but should be safer.

 

[S.M.F.G]

^ fuckin A right, what a difference...but i also have had crystal clear filtrations wit the coffie filters....just takes something called patience....let it go 4 an hour or three and not b in a hurry or squeeze tha mafuka

as promised some piks of the 2 differing brands of the Amcal tabs

the first: good unz we all no and love

the second: r the ones u wanna watch out 4

amazing wat u can do when u gots fuckall else to do...soz bout tha black and white, fucking shitty scaner or my incompitence (havnt fuigured out yet):D

 

[hoptis]

Thanks

 

[Mr Blonde]

If you dose over the threshold, what happens, does the codeine stick around (causing histamine release) until enzymes are free to convert it? or does another enzyme take over and convert it to something inactive?

A few things might happen.

1) If you're like me, and have nice enzyme chemistry, you may get higher then you would at the ceiling dose.
2) If you're not like me, and have normal levels of CYP2D6 I assume, then yes you will have an increased histamine reaction and the codeine that doesn't get turned into morphine will be metabolized into something else; codeine-6-glucorinide I think. Some codeine remains as it is for a whilem making the histamine reaction first but it will probably end up being either excreted or being converted to C-6-G, not morphine as CYP2D6 is inhibited by codeine for a while.

 

[belarki]

A few things might happen.

1) If you're like me, and have nice enzyme chemistry, you may get higher then you would at the ceiling dose.
2) If you're not like me, and have normal levels of CYP2D6 I assume, then yes you will have an increased histamine reaction and the codeine that doesn't get turned into morphine will be metabolized into something else; codeine-6-glucorinide I think. Some codeine remains as it is for a whilem making the histamine reaction first but it will probably end up being either excreted or being converted to C-6-G, not morphine as CYP2D6 is inhibited by codeine for a while.

3) Itchiness and nausea; not at all desirable

A google search notes LD50 in average person of 800mg, tolerance would play a large part in this though and I didn't see any reliable sources straight away. I'd do a pubmed search for something more concrete but am at work. One report noted:

Codeine phosphate LD50 (oral) rat 266 mg/kg

and

An evaluation of codeine intoxication in 430 children, reported the following symptoms in decreasing order of frequency: sedation, rash, miosis, vomiting, itching, ataxia, and swelling of the skin (oedema). Respiratory failure occurred in eight children, two of whom died; all eight had taken 5 mg/kg body weight or more.

From: http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/pharm/codeine.htm

 

[S.M.F.G]

I took this picture to show the difference in water clarity between using
actual chemistry filter paper, and Harris Coffee Filter paper.
The clear solution is codeine extract with the chemistry filter paper. That shows that maybe using Coffee filters is not as healthy as you might think.

forgive me if this sounds stupid8) ... but would one aquire chemistry grade filter paper from errrrrr a chemist? or do u have to go to some kind of sientripical mob?

 

[Mr Blonde]

I don't think lab-grade filters are controlled at all. There should be online suppliers you can get them from, or even any chemisty equipment suppliers in your city.

 

[Mr Blonde]

3) Itchiness and nausea; not at all desirable

Itchiness is part of the histamine reaction though, which I mentioned, and the nausea can occur on sub-400mg doses anyway; part of the opioid experience.

Yeah the itchiness can suck; the worst part is it feel so good to scratch it, but then scratching just makes it worse until it's painful.

 

[skatkid]

mm i kinda like the itch.

 

[Tortoise]

The palms of my hands get itchy if i take a high dose without antihistamines. It's a very uncomfortable itch, bordering on painful. I avoid at all costs.

 

[malakaix]

Has anyone taken just 'codeine phosphate' tablets? Came across a few, 30mg each..

I've only dosed around 180mg (from codeine extraction.. which im sure i lost a shitload.. because i had only extracted twice before, plus im terrible at it lol)

I was thinking of 4-6 pills, 120-180mg? is there a certain amount where the effects are very noticeable? 200-250ish?

Im keen to try this without the worry of extracting ibuprofen/paracetamol.

 

[rolls]

I can feel as little as 40mg, but 100mg is the mark where it starts feeling nice. 400mg gives you a nice rush if you mix it with antihistamines, watch our for the CNS depression though.

 

[S.M.F.G]

tollerence is a motherfucker, done first time after a few months @ 240mg, nice nice, 2 days later @ same dose, not nearly half as good
last go was 300mg nd yer was felt, but just not the same.more sedation than any kind of euphoria or really noticable effects.... i no i no its a suttle thing...but best done between breaks of a few months coz it just looses its punch IMO. also good PST will build ya a resistance quick
codeine only pillz? lucky lucky ducky:D
hard to come by i'd immagine

 

[malakaix]

I went with 120mg dose.. mmm feels good Wish i could get more of these, but yeah there hard to come by

Cheers for the info guys =)

 

[tadfish]

Yeah i recall days when 200mg of codeine was nice with my mixers: now i got more mixes than one would like but still chase that dragon with whatever tools i can: anyone tried soma as a potentater or norflex Orphenadrine?

 

[skatkid]

i usually aim for 400mg but due to the different amount lost through cwe some days are strong others are weaker

 

[Mr Blonde]

To tadfish: I have seen soma recommended a few times as a potentiator by OD regulars, they say though that it may add to the sedation a fair bit so be careful.

 

[skatkid]

tried grape fruit juice a couple of times with codeine aswell. i think it mildly helps but might be placebo. are u meant to drink it before taking or after u take codeine?

 

[Mr Blonde]

Grapefruit juice will inhibit CYP2D6, which is the enzyme you want to convert codeine into morphine.

So GFJ + codeine would, if anything, lessen the effects. With other opioids, you are supposed to drink about 45 minutes before taking them. It works for any opioid metabolized by CYP3A4, but in all honesty it's not gonna do much.

 

[skatkid]

Grapefruit juice will inhibit CYP2D6, which is the enzyme you want to convert codeine into morphine.

So GFJ + codeine would, if anything, lessen the effects. With other opioids, you are supposed to drink about 45 minutes before taking them. It works for any opioid metabolized by CYP3A4, but in all honesty it's not gonna do much.

ah ok cheers for clearing that up