Crankinit
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Sep 17, 2007
- Messages
- 6,175
-
-
AADD Moderators: andyturbo
Codeine & CWE (aka cdub) Megathread: third time's the charm
- Thread starter footscrazy
- Start date
Hedonistica
Bluelighter
I guess I am lucky or have odd biochemistry, but opiates have never made me itch. This goes for experience way in the past with morphine and oxy (high doses oral/oxy snorted) and also the milder codeine of late. I don't drink alcohol so the codeine is just a means of relaxing now and then.
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
Might have to eat my words on the previous page a little bit, did my first extraction in a loooooooooooong time on Saturday night using a 40 pack of 15mg codeine/500mg paracetamol tablets. I definitely wasn't nodding or anything, but with a small amount of restavit, valium, weed and a couple stouts (obviously poly drug use is not wise, and in the case of inexperienced users in particular should be avoided, but the addition of these drugs is par for the course for me when using codeine due to tolerance) I was on a really nice comfortable level. Only time will tell if this is a once or twice off before my tolerance sky rockets, or if keeping my use to once every week or two will allow me to enjoy codeine for the forseeable future.
ye its a funny one sometimes it gets you into a wonderful slot, other times even without tolerance issues it doesn't, even with the same empty stomach, 1 drink potentiator I have uusally. But ye the first in a while is a goody, I then just get sick of being the guy conning the pharmacists (even many times you aren't, they know or suspect, but the same result happens anyway [unless its ridiculous like your drunk or same chemist twice in a day lol]) as my old man is a retired pharmacist and he did a lot of work with methadone patients etc and was very professional even very personal with them giving them lifts and stuff, and I would never have dreamt of asking him for anything dodgy on the side.
if that sounds self righteous it ain't, I'm the culprit rather often, and hey I do get back and shoulder pain anyway Mr Pharmacist
if that sounds self righteous it ain't, I'm the culprit rather often, and hey I do get back and shoulder pain anyway Mr Pharmacist
Hi there
I have been using a cotton glove, and a doubled over rag, like sheet material. It seems to be fast and result in a clear solution with the white sludge staying on the rag, not going into the glove even.
However, I a finding that mydol normally comes out white, even with double filtering. I'd this binder? Should I be worried? I'm not sure what I drank this morning, I don't feel sick our anything and I really don't want to have to go to hospital. I've been a few times just to be safe and I've always been ok so it's pretty embarrassing.
Hmm
I have been using a cotton glove, and a doubled over rag, like sheet material. It seems to be fast and result in a clear solution with the white sludge staying on the rag, not going into the glove even.
However, I a finding that mydol normally comes out white, even with double filtering. I'd this binder? Should I be worried? I'm not sure what I drank this morning, I don't feel sick our anything and I really don't want to have to go to hospital. I've been a few times just to be safe and I've always been ok so it's pretty embarrassing.
Hmm
Hedonistica
Bluelighter
I don't know the brand, is there a list of inactive ingredients on the packaging? I couldn't find the info on a quick Google... I know some pills contain titanium dioxide which will make the end result white whatever you do. I'd try using coffee filters or lab filter and see if the result is the same?
I hope you don't have to go to the hospital again - but then again it's better to be embarrassed than the alternative!
If you can buy pain pills, surely you can go into a supermarket to buy some coffee filters.
They cost a couple of dollars , at most for dozens of filters.
The fabric in a glove (?!) and rag too porous to have any faith that it is filtering the harmful crap out of a CWE. Use it for a primary filter, if you wish, (before using a decent filter) - but doing this kind of filtration regularly is a really unsafe practice.
If you're reading this thread, I can't really understand why you'd be so blasé about your health.
It is really impossible for any of us to tell you what you ingested - the white gunk is a combination of numerous pill ingredients, and there is no telling how much paracetamol or ibuprofen you've been ingesting.
It's not necessarily identifiable by sight.
I don't mean to sound harsh - but seriously, you're not filtering tea leaves here - you're trying to remove potentially deadly amounts of toxic shit out of your extraction.
Coffee filters are very easy to obtain. Very, very cheap.
Embarrassment is the least of your worries.
I don't mean to suggest you have done any damage, or that you're about to drop dead - but cold water extractions are so easy to do, there is no reason to be complacent about it.
If in doubt, dont drink it! A couple of hours of codeine buzz is not worth the risk to your health (the possible implications of which depend upon what the other ingredients are in the pills).
Not trying to exaggerate the risk, but reducing harm is the whole point here. Coffee filters aren't even the best option - just the most accessible. I wouldn't advise anything less.
Be safe!
They cost a couple of dollars , at most for dozens of filters.
The fabric in a glove (?!) and rag too porous to have any faith that it is filtering the harmful crap out of a CWE. Use it for a primary filter, if you wish, (before using a decent filter) - but doing this kind of filtration regularly is a really unsafe practice.
If you're reading this thread, I can't really understand why you'd be so blasé about your health.
It is really impossible for any of us to tell you what you ingested - the white gunk is a combination of numerous pill ingredients, and there is no telling how much paracetamol or ibuprofen you've been ingesting.
It's not necessarily identifiable by sight.
I don't mean to sound harsh - but seriously, you're not filtering tea leaves here - you're trying to remove potentially deadly amounts of toxic shit out of your extraction.
Coffee filters are very easy to obtain. Very, very cheap.
Embarrassment is the least of your worries.
I don't mean to suggest you have done any damage, or that you're about to drop dead - but cold water extractions are so easy to do, there is no reason to be complacent about it.
If in doubt, dont drink it! A couple of hours of codeine buzz is not worth the risk to your health (the possible implications of which depend upon what the other ingredients are in the pills).
Not trying to exaggerate the risk, but reducing harm is the whole point here. Coffee filters aren't even the best option - just the most accessible. I wouldn't advise anything less.
Be safe!
When I have used that combination, with panadeine extra, I have always come out with a completely clear solution, the white gunk not even making it past the first filter. With Mydol, I still get gunk in first filter but the solution is cloudy.
I'm not blase about my health at all, I'm extremely concerned, that's why I posted here.
People talk about using a tshirt, well this has proven far better, anyway I would like to be able to ask questions without feeling like an idiot, next time I or someone else night not ask and that could be dangerous.
Mainly just confused about the different products, different solutions etc
I'm not blase about my health at all, I'm extremely concerned, that's why I posted here.
People talk about using a tshirt, well this has proven far better, anyway I would like to be able to ask questions without feeling like an idiot, next time I or someone else night not ask and that could be dangerous.
Mainly just confused about the different products, different solutions etc
And normally I have used the coffee filters, 2 in one. Have had many liver tests and everything fine, but anyway I just don't understand the diference between products that's the confusing part. I'm not an idiot, I've dive a lot of research and I just haven't come across this information
I wasn't trying to imply that you are an idiot or anything of the sort.
Paper filters are simply a much more accepted filtration system.
There has been much debate on these threads over the last couple of years regarding the viability of fabric and the like to filter such solutions.
Colour is one indication of the success of the extraction - but it's by no means conclusive.
Does mydol contains antihistamine as well as codeine and paracetamol?
Do you know what type, and how much?
My advice was not intended to dissuade you from asking questions, it just doesn't seem safe (to me).
Others may disagree...but fabric is different to paper filters in terms of particle filtration.
I would be concerned about the other active ingedients also, though - whether or not they are water soluable is relevant information.
Paper filters are simply a much more accepted filtration system.
There has been much debate on these threads over the last couple of years regarding the viability of fabric and the like to filter such solutions.
Colour is one indication of the success of the extraction - but it's by no means conclusive.
Does mydol contains antihistamine as well as codeine and paracetamol?
Do you know what type, and how much?
My advice was not intended to dissuade you from asking questions, it just doesn't seem safe (to me).
Others may disagree...but fabric is different to paper filters in terms of particle filtration.
I would be concerned about the other active ingedients also, though - whether or not they are water soluable is relevant information.
It's just para 500/ codeine 15, but on the back it says contains lactose.
A fair amount of gunk was filtered out, but still I will just go back to coffee filters and avoid this brand. Just wouldn't mind finding out the answers to these qs one day. All good.
Another thing, I've always been a bit Oct the top when in comes to the hospital visits. I've been three times, every time I've been fine. Kinda hard the fact that there are no symptoms til it's too late :/
A fair amount of gunk was filtered out, but still I will just go back to coffee filters and avoid this brand. Just wouldn't mind finding out the answers to these qs one day. All good.
Another thing, I've always been a bit Oct the top when in comes to the hospital visits. I've been three times, every time I've been fine. Kinda hard the fact that there are no symptoms til it's too late :/
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
Funny I just started doing CWE's again the other week (only done two so far, mind you) and I have been using the 15mg codeine/500mg paracetamol preparations, which seem to be considerably cheaper now than they were when they first hit the market. The first extraction I used Mydol and the second time Panadeine Extra, both of them came out really clear for me. If I had to pick which one was cloudier, I would say it was the PE, the Mydol was literally crystal clear.
I have rarely found it difficult to get a nice clear solution when using pills formulated with paracetamol, this tends to be much more of a problem for me with preparations containing ibuprofen. Truth be told I wont make a codeine brew with any ibu shit any more because it always seems to make my guts feel ripped up the next day.
I have rarely found it difficult to get a nice clear solution when using pills formulated with paracetamol, this tends to be much more of a problem for me with preparations containing ibuprofen. Truth be told I wont make a codeine brew with any ibu shit any more because it always seems to make my guts feel ripped up the next day.
Mistakes as in the extraction not working properly, or as in had health problems due to messing up a CWE?
I'm sure I've seen some - but these CWE threads are mighty long!
Years worth of banter.
Here is the previous thread also
....and the one before it
(Back to 2006!)
Of course, you might have an easier time using the search engine, if you can suss out the right keywords to use.
I'm sure I've seen some - but these CWE threads are mighty long!
Years worth of banter.
Here is the previous thread also
....and the one before it
(Back to 2006!)
Of course, you might have an easier time using the search engine, if you can suss out the right keywords to use.
A mistake with a CWE can mean severe liver damage. If anyone has made a genuine mistake with a CWE, they may not have been able to post about it. Take no shortcuts.
Paracetamol toxicity is responsible for many deaths - would you believe it, the way it's available OTC in huge boxes for next to nothing?
Well, I went to the hospital. Everyone was very nice and have me the best level of service, even though I felt embarrassed. So I suppose I would recommend anyone to just go if you think you may have had an od because in my experience everyone was very professional and non judgemental. Did the blood tests, everything fine.
I don't get lax about extractions again. I'm going to try to get off starting Monday. They set me up with suboxone treatment but I don't want to go that far, a friend of mine told me to combine safe doses of a combo of panadeine extra and nurofen + , 3 times a day and gradually reducing. Instead of doing the one or two big doses a day, and that this method helps because if you bust you don't get the full effect anyway because of time between doses. And apparently he felt no wds . Any thoughts?
I don't get lax about extractions again. I'm going to try to get off starting Monday. They set me up with suboxone treatment but I don't want to go that far, a friend of mine told me to combine safe doses of a combo of panadeine extra and nurofen + , 3 times a day and gradually reducing. Instead of doing the one or two big doses a day, and that this method helps because if you bust you don't get the full effect anyway because of time between doses. And apparently he felt no wds . Any thoughts?
Good on you for seeking help - I can't commend this enough (and apologise if my original response to you, above, came across as excessively harsh; I'm passionate because I genuinely care!)
Getting on buprenorphine maintence for codeine addiction is (in my opinion) generally a case of overkill.
Being a stronger opiate, to do so would be escalating your habit, plus complicating your life in whole lot of ways.
I would advise against it.
If you are looking at detoxing, tapering down your dose is definitely the way to go.
The 'good' thing about a codeine habit is that you know (more or less - given extraction variabilities) exacty how much you are dosing.
I was primarily addicted to opium tea (pods and seeds) and did not have this benefit, as potency was impossible to quantify.
The same goes for users of street heroin.
I would encourage any opiate dependent person to taper rather than attempt to detox cold turkey; for lots of reasons, but mainly because it is a lot less unpleasant - and thus had a better chance of being successful.
I have heard of people successfully tapering off codeine.
Reducing your dose and altering your dosing pattern as you describe is a really good way to go about it.
I'd be wary of health professionals bullying you (for want of a better word) into going onto opioid maintenance -it seems all too common an occurance.
Having said that, many people report rapid tapers using buprenorphine quite effective for avoiding the majority of WD symptoms.
Personally - if I were you I would try to taper off the codeine, as you suggest.
Most people suggest dropping the dose by a small amount daily, or at least until you are 'stable' on the lower dose, and drop it further still. This way, you can work your way down to a really low daily dose, then stop taking it, and WDs will be greatly diminished.
Good luck - it is a positive move to make, and there are plenty of people on bluelight to help with suggestions, support and so on.
The Australian Drug Discussion "Quitting/Tapering Thread" is a great place to start, if you're not already familiar with it.
Getting on buprenorphine maintence for codeine addiction is (in my opinion) generally a case of overkill.
Being a stronger opiate, to do so would be escalating your habit, plus complicating your life in whole lot of ways.
I would advise against it.
If you are looking at detoxing, tapering down your dose is definitely the way to go.
The 'good' thing about a codeine habit is that you know (more or less - given extraction variabilities) exacty how much you are dosing.
I was primarily addicted to opium tea (pods and seeds) and did not have this benefit, as potency was impossible to quantify.
The same goes for users of street heroin.
I would encourage any opiate dependent person to taper rather than attempt to detox cold turkey; for lots of reasons, but mainly because it is a lot less unpleasant - and thus had a better chance of being successful.
I have heard of people successfully tapering off codeine.
Reducing your dose and altering your dosing pattern as you describe is a really good way to go about it.
I'd be wary of health professionals bullying you (for want of a better word) into going onto opioid maintenance -it seems all too common an occurance.
Having said that, many people report rapid tapers using buprenorphine quite effective for avoiding the majority of WD symptoms.
Personally - if I were you I would try to taper off the codeine, as you suggest.
Most people suggest dropping the dose by a small amount daily, or at least until you are 'stable' on the lower dose, and drop it further still. This way, you can work your way down to a really low daily dose, then stop taking it, and WDs will be greatly diminished.
Good luck - it is a positive move to make, and there are plenty of people on bluelight to help with suggestions, support and so on.
The Australian Drug Discussion "Quitting/Tapering Thread" is a great place to start, if you're not already familiar with it.
Hedonistica
Bluelighter
Well I am truly glad you are OK. Good luck with getting off. Tapering works for some people, not others, and it does take discipline, there will be a lot of tapering plans around if you do a search I would expect. Good luck!
Thanks guys,
Just an update. On Mydol box it says it contains lactose. Read the link, but lactose Is a white solid and is soluble on water at 21.6 grams per 100ml. Ah... Can't find the link just Google "lactose" and see the wiki page to see what I mean.
This could confirm why my solution was cloudy :/
Anyway ... I plan to get off asap, if not tomorrow then tues.
Just an update. On Mydol box it says it contains lactose. Read the link, but lactose Is a white solid and is soluble on water at 21.6 grams per 100ml. Ah... Can't find the link just Google "lactose" and see the wiki page to see what I mean.
This could confirm why my solution was cloudy :/
Anyway ... I plan to get off asap, if not tomorrow then tues.