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Cocodamol - The drug of the credit crunch? plus other codeine/dihydrocodeine queries

Does DHC ever give anything other than "mild effects"? It's not exactly brilliant whatever dose you take it at.
 
I'm the same as you Limpet - Codeine's euphoria was always more pronounced than an equivelant or larger dose of DHC :\
It's a bit of a sucky Opiate for me.

Jungo - 300mg + 10-15mg Diazepam should be nice. But I'd also agree that you shouldn't plan on drinking unless you're absolutely sure that it's not going to stop you breathing and murk you ;) And even then, wait till the full effects of DHC & Diaz are felt and take it slowwwwww.
 
Izzy, yeah, actually its not bad, on its own at maybe 400mg its pretty euphoric, although I prefer to mix something with it, GABAergics, cannabinoids, preferably both.

I like shooting an alpha2 adrenoreceptor agonist such as tizanidine, or sometimes clonidine with it (not to shoot the DHC that is), plugging works also, even though I have some tolerance, 400-450mg or so (ish, can't be bothered to do the math, but 30mg tablets) would be euphoric, relaxing, and mildly sedating for me, but if I plug or shoot 2mg of tizanidine (a muscle relaxant, works the same way as the detox/blood pressure med clonidine although far shorter acting) with it then I won't be able to keep my eyes open, it will also turn a bottle of codeine linctus, or even just part of one (300-400mg) into a nod.

4mg though and bang, out like a light, hey, where the fuck did my gouch bugger off to? huh? what time is it? I'm hungry as fuck.......
 
Does DHC ever give anything other than "mild effects"? It's not exactly brilliant whatever dose you take it at.

I'm able to nod on two x 120mg DHC continus and 50mg promethazine if I haven't taken anything in the previous week or two. I think the promethazine is definitely part of the reason for that though. The continus take about 3 hours before it hits me proper though even with grinding them. I <3 DHC+promethazine.

not too fond of the itch though. Even the promethazine isn't enough sometimes and I have to take chlorpheniramine on top. I personally wouldn't risk ever mixing benzos or alcohol with opies but that because I know too many sensible people who've died that way. I love weed + DHC or codeine too, although it makes me dizzy as hell unless I lie down.

I also heard that thing about codeine inhibiting the metabolism of DHC, although would like to know how much of an effect it really has.

Would taking the promethazine a bit later than the codeine lessen the effects on metabolism any?
 
codeine phosphate

i dare say there are a few threads re codeine,
but a quick request ,
any way to get more out of codeine phosphate 30mg`s(little hard ones) i have a plentyful supply but feel grinding them up is a bit of a waste(not into iv-ing etc)
 
Tthats debatable. Alcohol kickstarts the enzyme responsible for changing codiene to morphine. I know this for a fact as it kicked me in the arse once.
Grapefruit juice is more for thebaine derivatives, eg Oxycodone is stronger and lasts longer.
Unfortunately they keep them well locked up.
 
Doesn't grapefruit juice work the opposite way for codeine, ie make it less effective?
 
it's theorised that codeines euphoric/analgesic effects are little to do with morphine anyway
 
My doctor gave me a script for 120 x 30mg DHC (IR), to help me get me off my Fentanyl patch (25ug every 3 days). She wont prescribe me Subutex im afraid.

I'm planning on using Loperamide (Imodium) with my DHC. Does anyone know if the Lope will block out the DHC? has anyone tried using both drugs before either recreationally or for w/d's?

Lastly, can anyone advise what dose of DHC would be needed to 'help' with my Fentanyl w/d's? My typical does of Fentanyl is 25micrograms/hour every 3 days?

Any help would be appreciated.
 
Jesus, from Fentanyl to DHC?

A lot of it will depend on how well you metabolise DHC. I've known some people use it for heroin maintenance and swear by it, so I imagine you won't have any real problems. If you're tapering off from non-recreational Fentanyl use then just experiment with small doses of DHC to stave of any rattle. If, on the other hand, you'd been smoking gel... I dread to think.

As for the loperamide combo, I haven't a clue. Give it time and someone's sure to have the answer. Good luck anyhow.
 
Thanks SG.

Correct, I use my Fentanyl as directed, never thought of smoking it, I use the Matrix patches anyway so I couldnt smoke em even if i wanted too.

I have quite a lot of DHC, so assuming the 'no celling effect' theory with DHC is correct, I should be able to top up when and as needed. I'm sure my w/d's will be eased in some-way or another by the DHC, so i'm glad to have them.

If my conversion app is correct:

Fentanyl 25ug/72h = 400mg Codeine PO = 60mg Morphine PO.

With 400mg of DHC, and given it is slightly more powerful than codeine, I hoping it will serve as a good substitute which i can use over the course a week to 10 days and safely taper off.

Regarding the lope, I'll try to get through day 1 and 2 with just DHC, and then add Lope on day 2 so I can compare the difference.

I also have 50 caps of Tramadol 50mg (IR). I've read that its safe to mix codeine/DHC with tramadol. I'm totally aware of the seizure threshold, and I'm lucky to not be susceptible to seizures even at high does (500mg). Perhaps small amounts of tramadol (100mg at a time) wth the DHC would help, just wondering which to take first (if that makes any difference).

Sorry for the long post, just need any advice for the long journey ahead...

thanks
P-Opi.
 
Well at least you've done your homework on the tramadol. You've only got 50 caps so it shouldn't be a problem, but whatever you do, don't use tramadol long-term. I made that mistake once, thinking any withdrawal would be easy to cope with given its 'low abuse potential' and was gifted with several days of pretty violent seizures along with brain zaps and other delights.

Other than that, you sound pretty prepared and clued-up about what you're doing. All I can do is wish you luck and hope it isn't too painful. Must be shitty to have to go through that in the name of a dependency that wasn't even of your own making.

Kind of puts whining junkies in their place, doesn't it?
 
Thanks SG,

Yes, but i'm not surprised I ended up in the situation in the first place. For instance, my doctor things that prescribing me more Fentanyl will solve the problem. I have a fair bit of experience with opiates&opiods and know when i've reached the point of addiction, whether physical of mental. This is why I have taken the decision to get off Fentanyl as it is ruining my quality of life in comparison to the amount of pain it can alleviate. I personally always benchmark pain meds in this way.

I'm going to see my doc tomorrow and have one final chat with her before I go to my pain clinic. I'm glad I have some good Pods though, as they really help. Just have to be careful that i don't over do the pods as we all know how easy it is to get happily used to them.

P.opi
 
Quick Q, i remember being told this wont work but cant fully rermember, If i id a CWE then evaporated the solution, the powder that is left would be the codeine right? So could i scrape it off, wrap it up and bomb it instead of chugging that naaasty tasing liquid?
 
Quick Question: CWE

Would a sock be sufficient to use as a filter to use in a cold water extraction?
 
Loads of people use a cloth so i guess a sock would probably work, coffee filters would better though and they cost pennies.
 
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