Cocodamol - The drug of the credit crunch? plus other codeine/dihydrocodeine queries

[rickolasnice]

Aright it's gone now.. thank fuck for that that was horrible..

Made me feel like i had some fucked up flu or something.. nausea, slight head ache, dizzyness, yuck..

Would that be because a) i don't like opiates ? b) i have the liver enzyme deficiency or c) i'm so opiate naive i didnt realise i was high and took it for feelin like shit

 

[Evad]

I'd probably guess a) mate though as far as opiates go codeine seems to be the most side effects for the least reward. you have codeine or dhc this time?

 

[Acidtek]

Hello people, I'm planning on doing a cwe but I'm on a subutex script, I only take .4mg twice daily, would I feel anything from 200mg of codeine? Thanks

 

[Shambles]

Kind of puts whining junkies in their place, doesn't it?

No it doesn't you ignorant fuck.

PS: I mean that in a nice way

Re: redosing. It's always worked for me. Perhaps I'm lucky.

Me too - as far as I'm aware the "ceiling effect" of codeine is highly debatable. Even more debatable than the idea that conversion to morphine is the primary "fun" effect of codeine cos that one's been proven to be bullshit a thousand times over from the research I've seen (and *ahem* researched personally). Codeine is not merely a pro-drug for morphine: it is a complex drug made up from a range of opiates and morphine is way down the list.

I can say from personal (IV (don't do that at home, folks... unless you wanna die from pulmonary oedema)) experience that 1g of codeine has way more and different effects than 800mg does - especially as a single dose but also in divided doses, for example. Both are beyond the "ceiling" dose so that means either myself and the thousands of others who have noticed this or the "ceiling dose" are mistaken. I go with the latter...

PS: DO NOT use such high doses of codeine for shits and giggles. I was prescribed over 500ml of codeine linctus per day (amongst other things) when I "discovered" these effects and had tolerance to opiates in general that could politely be described as "unusual". Taking a gram of codeine orally probably wouldn't kill you but you'd probably wish it did without the tolerance that got you up to those doses. Taking codeine IV can cause instadeath pretty much so best avoided..

Hello people, I'm planning on doing a cwe but I'm on a subutex script, I only take .4mg twice daily, would I feel anything from 200mg of codeine? Thanks

No. Short, not so sweet, but accurate I would say. The Subz dose you're on may be relatively low but is still way stronger than 200mg of codeine so would do shit all. There would also be a minor risk of precipitated withdrawals. If you're on Subz on a regular basis you really should avoid any other opies cos you really, really won't like what happens - think Antabuse + instant full-blown opiate w/d...

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All that aside, I did my first ever CWE (on 30/500 co-cos) the other day. I used the funnel/T-shirt method and got a perfectly clear solution that did the biz nicely. My only question is of equivalence - took double the amount of codeine to achieve a similar effect to I am used to. Is this normal or did I just fuck up the extraction? To those familiar with both straight codeine pills and CWEs have you noticed (as) much difference between required dose? I'm guessing it's just poor technique on my part but other opinions on how CWE dose vs straight codeine (phosphate in my case) dose works out would be appreciated

 

[Evad]

I'd guess inefficient methods losing some amount of codeine is the likely suspect here, I find that CWE juice because of being in solution etc generally hits harder than straight phosphate tablets. I always up the dose a bit when doing a CWE to allow for these losses.

 

[Shambles]

I did notice that it definitely gave a bigger, faster hit initially (a good thing ) but the sheer size of the difference in overall effect really shocked me. I am 99.9999% sure it's a technique/filtering issue - especially as I'd never done it before - and one thing I wondered about was the crushing aspect. I wasn't too thorough there and there were a few largish chunks in the "powder" I filtered - does that seem a likely issue?

Also, I did refilter the leftover gunk the following day and noted a definite effect - not hugely strong but considerably more than I would expect from mere leftovers so what's the story with refiltering: once you have your initial solution is adding more water to make a second solution and combining them a good move? Both solutions were as clear as tap water so I'm thinking it was much more an issue with poor codeine extraction than a paracetamol concern - plenty of gunk left after each time (with the same initial powder/gunk involved).

 

[Evad]

if there was chunks there's def a technique issue going on, i always used to pestle and mortar down to proper powder. recently realised that just chucking the pills in a glass, covering them with a bit of water and then using a hand blender saves a massive amount of effort, maybe not so much with 30/500s but when you're using 8/500s it's an amazing timesaver. i generally forgo re filtering as using a higher dose to start with and at a quid a box of co-co i'm pimping enough for a bit of waste :D.

 

[Shambles]

Mine are all free - 100 30/500 a month on top of a rather large straight codeine script so I ain't to bothered about cost... but value for freebie is still a relevant concern :D

The finer crushing thing is simple enough to try and may well solve my lil quibble - thankyou

 

[Libbaz]

Just liberated a strip of 30mgs from the depths of the 'medical cupboard' downstairs. It's going to be a good morning...

 

[rickolasnice]

I'd probably guess a) mate though as far as opiates go codeine seems to be the most side effects for the least reward. you have codeine or dhc this time?

So i'm not gonna like any opiates? Well that sucks..

Umm it was just codeine.

 

[Myshkin]

Nah, I think Evad meant that it's possible you don't like opiates, but as opiates go codeine isn't the friendliest one.

Have you gone for the DHC yet? You might well prefer that.

It's a shame that in this country the opiate choices are limited. Good for the street smack market though.

 

[rickolasnice]

^ Nah I havn't tried DHC yet I will do another time though.. I'm not desperate for an opioid buzz just yet Plus that codeine adventure has kinda put me off it.. all that effort (well.. that little effort) of doing a CWE just for it to make me feel ill for a few hours..

But me being me i will repeat 100 times before i learn :D

 

[Danny Weed]

It has taken me quite a few attempts before i got anything out of opiates, codeine used to just make me very anxious.

It is definitely a high that you have to learn, so much different to what i was expecting at first.

 

[Part Time Junkie]

Is it weird to like Tramadol more? lol I preferred the Codeine high but it didn't last long enough and I started fiending lol with Tram I can take one dose and feel great all day!

Now O-Desmethyltramadol that was a chem I wish was still around

 

[Evad]

some people prefer tramadol but it feels more like a shit anti depressant than an opiate IMO

 

[Part Time Junkie]

some people prefer tramadol but it feels more like a shit anti depressant than an opiate IMO

Yeah it seems to really vary from person to person. I have one mate who thinks it's awesome and one mate who thinks it's shit I personally love the stuff nowhere near as good as O-Desmethyltramadol though! It just keeps me on a nice level all day especially if I've had a bad nights sleep, on a comedown or just generally feeling ill/crappy/depressed. I only get nods on it if I combine it with G, never get a nod with Tram and Benzos.

Also with Codeine I got better effects of 16 8mg pills than 32... what's up with that?

 

[Evad]

don't mix G and tramadol IMO respiratory depression risk pretty high.

maybe your comfortable with low rather than high doses of codeine

 

[Part Time Junkie]

I keep the doses tiny when I mix G and Tram to be safe, it just makes the Tramadol feel more like a normal opiate and less buzzy.

With the Codeine I meant the lower dose felt stronger which I thought was really weird.

 

[Myshkin]

some people prefer tramadol but it feels more like a shit anti depressant than an opiate IMO

Absolutely. I always bang on about this, but if you've got a regular supply of tramadol, only use it occasionally. It's not something you want to use habitually at all. If you can keep the honeymoon going then that's fine, but it's nasty, nasty shit to abuse. It can also cause a lot of problems if you're using it alongside MDMA and a host of other substances.

Very little reward in terms of opiate buzz, every horrible side effect you can think of and coming off it you'll get SSRI discontinuation syndrome and probably seizures as a bonus.

Like Ian Curtis, but rattling. Not the best.

 

[Treacle]

Crushing the tablets in the blister, then pushing out the powder, before you CWE is by far the best way. Just thought I'd add. Use a large spoon, and crush each one with your weight. You'll be able to snap fine powder out of the blister that way.