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RCs Clonazolam (Clonitrazolam)

Yeah it seriously depends on your situation. I am seriously benzo naive person and I've only had 2 bars and 2 valiums before yesterday when I tried approx 400ug of "clam". I use benzos occasionally for recreation but right now I'm just concentrating on comparing the potency and subjective effects of batches of the same substance between different Chinese vendors. I think if I ever found my life shitty enough to start abusing to take the pain away, or found I had an "anxiety disorder" i seriosly wouldn't touch this shit. I think benzos are the cause of a lot of anxiety out there even when someone's not dependent and that's a recipe for disaster. All in all I think that at the end of the day, medicating can be more habit forming than recreation because the second you say you need something for a legitimate "problem" you'll need it that much more. Maybe I'm full of shit who knows.
 
I'll chime in and add my two cents, you have to figure if you order a lot, you're guarantying yourself physical dependency and the subsequent wd..
I would say unless you have the same level of self control as a buddhist monk, you shouldn't order a pile of something as addictive as benzo's..


- hs
 
Does anyone know what other solvents will dissolve clonazolam? Propelyne glycol seems to be the most talked about but it's kind of a one trick pony -- you have your solution of PG and clon and then you're stuck with it; PG doesn't evaporate, it just becomes a sticky mess. I read here on reddit that some folks say it will dissolve 10mg/ml in isopropyl alcohol, but I'm skeptical since it's well said that it's insoluble in ethanol. And yet I've had this on a blotter paper product before, so there must be some evaporatable solvent out there that will dissolve this. I've not read every post in this thread but I've been looking around here and the rest of the web, so what am I missing? anyone got any ideas or experiences outside of PG? much appreciated, thanks!
idk where you heard it's insoluble in ethanol, because that is definitely wrong a 10 mg/ml solution in 90% ethanol is very easy to make, just dump the powder in to the ethanol and stir a little (same goes for flubromazolam and norflurazepam).... you can almost certainly go higher but idk the limit since i've never needed anything stronger than 10 mg/ml (I have made 20 mg/ml norflurazepam in 90% ethanol and the vendor I got it from said it should go to ~80 mg/ml)

and if we are talking about benzo solubility nifoxipam hcl powder will dissolve in acidic water, etizolam supposedly dissolves in vodka
 
Maybe your story would be more believable if you didn't have neo-nazi shout outs at the end of your nickname, blurring it all by having 420 in it. :)
You have a banhammer, if you think ive been posting here 10 years to tell someone wild story slam the gavel. I said I was ashamed supply dictated intake, a close family member died and I lost it. YES that # is correct, you know how quick tolerance hits. Never did I once glorify my doses AT ALL. All I said was how much I messed up, if you look at my posts you can see I have one in the darkside when I was around 30mg a day.

Point being if I can get from 70 to 10 there is hope for the rest of the fuck ups. Also you know how tolerance works, me eating 20 mg of clonaz and you eating 2, we both go shopping, assuming my story is true whos gunna make a bigger scene.

Over and out and not affiliated with Nazis of any kind
 
Mixed 50mg worth of clam solution into a batch of mellow blocks. Took them to a party and gave them away for free, have no idea how many I ate because I woke up in my bed. I asked my friend who took me home and he said that he did but he doesn't remember driving, and he crashed his car into the curb. I'm sure this chemical has some nefarious uses.
 
I'll chime in and add my two cents, you have to figure if you order a lot, you're guarantying yourself physical dependency and the subsequent wd..
I would say unless you have the same level of self control as a buddhist monk, you shouldn't order a pile of something as addictive as benzo's..


- hs

I strongly disagree with this notion. Regardless of whether the drugs are in my drawer or halfway across the world, if you want to do something you're going to do it. I don't plan on using close to enough to have physical withdrawals. MAYBE once a month or some shit. I just think it's a little silly to blame large amounts on hand for ones addiction. The only drug that scares me is THC
 
Mixed 50mg worth of clam solution into a batch of mellow blocks. Took them to a party and gave them away for free, have no idea how many I ate because I woke up in my bed. I asked my friend who took me home and he said that he did but he doesn't remember driving, and he crashed his car into the curb. I'm sure this chemical has some nefarious uses.

What you did is just incredibly reckless, giving out free benzos to people who most likely drink alcohol is extremely dangerous as mixing CNS depressants can kill you and increases the risk of a black out
And driving a car while intoxicated is just plain stupid and endangers others
Don't do it!
 
You have a banhammer, if you think ive been posting here 10 years to tell someone wild story slam the gavel. I said I was ashamed supply dictated intake, a close family member died and I lost it. YES that # is correct, you know how quick tolerance hits. Never did I once glorify my doses AT ALL. All I said was how much I messed up, if you look at my posts you can see I have one in the darkside when I was around 30mg a day.

Point being if I can get from 70 to 10 there is hope for the rest of the fuck ups. Also you know how tolerance works, me eating 20 mg of clonaz and you eating 2, we both go shopping, assuming my story is true whos gunna make a bigger scene.

Over and out and not affiliated with Nazis of any kind

I don't have a banhammer here and I was joking, just to see if somebody in particular would be attempting to suck up to me, no offense man.
 
I imagine benzos to be the third most dangerous (and not because of their effects, but the withdrawals, especially for somebody like me, who even though was rx'd small doses, but that kept climbing, it was of clonazepam, it's the only benzo used for nerve pain, so when I told my psychiatrist, who I first started to see in 07 that I was scripted 0.5mg bid of clonazepam for facial nerve damage pain, he said well, I think you have GAD and Bipolar I, so antidepressants are not for you (after telling him my very bad experience with 5 months of Paxil...at 10mg it was alright, but they always insist on making the dose larger, even the GP who scripted that then, at 40mg a day I started to have extreme mania and violent impulses, not needing to sleep for days, having just one small meal a day, it was like being on speed/meth without the extreme euphoria, still some euphoria no matter what was happening was going on, I think all the LSD I've taken has made my body reject those SSRI poisons. I was one day on a starter dose of 37.5mg Effexor XR later, I forgot to say the psychiatrist said, well, you're already on a benzodiazepine, I think 2mg a day should hit 2 birds with one stone. It made sense and did.

Anyway, one day on that 37.5mg of Effexor XR, I had LSD-large black pupils, was feeling nauseous so much I had to buy some dimenhydrinate, just 15, and at the end of the party I went to, I had taken about 10 Gravols (the name for Dramamine here). Can't tolerate SSRI's/SNRI's. The only antidepressant I can tolerate is Moclobemide (Manerix), it's a reversible MAOI, it's not available in the US, I bet the FDA dopes imagined people were going to go after it to get DMT trips without the plant MAOI, pharmahuasca. I did try it, but that was not the reason I asked for something so atypical, it came out in the early 90's here and never was very popular. I felt happy on it, boosted my clonazepam and whenever I had opiates (it boosts the effects of both kind of drugs) but a kind of fake happiness I could feel in the back of my head, that particularly at that moment, when on those 6 months I was on welfare after dropping out 3 years into a 4 year BSc. program (some are 3 years, some 4 here), but it made sunsets look as great as when I was a kid, it did help but I didn't take it more than 2 months, even if it boosted benzos.

So I got a lot of time to learn to be wise with benzos and even then I can be reckless if I have a bad day. I can see how some people....my old opiate hookup said in his stupider young days, when he saw my full 60 count 10mg diazepam bottle, that he would eat a script like that all at once. Funny though how he never ever was an alcoholic and never drank more than 5 beers in his life. But yeah, I never gave him any dose of an RC benzo, never mentioned I had them, he was and likely still is on massive doses of hydromorphone through both HMContins and Dillies, he had an oxazepam 30mg script he would just sell me the whole bottle for almost nothing, which although oxazepam sucks, takes a long time to kick in and doesn't last long, 90-120mg when it kicks in is intensely anxiolytic. Judging by his behaviour, his doctor likely did not script him those for nothing, but at least he did not have a benzo addiction, he would not be able to control such an addiction. So, yeah, some of the crazy scare stories here can be true, but there's an overload of them, in a time where clonazolam is rather difficult to obtain compared to some years ago are totally phony. I don't see the same bashing on f-lam or even rx benzos which are much more common and some are just as strong as clonazolam, or others if large doses are taken, are no different.
 
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Well, I got me my favourite RC benzo, after correct-dose f-pam (for me, it was 24mg, my step-dad had one of the original hard as a rock 8mg and fell asleep on his couch watching TV and was woken up by my mom when she started cooking herself some breakfast before lunch, I know my step-dad has sleep issues, so when I visited 2 years ago I gave him a few green 8's, and he said he had to use a knife to cut it in two). Flubromazepam was added to schedule III which only included benzos we have here and rx benzos in other countries, F-Pam being the only exception, too bad.

Anyway, clonazolam should be made an Rx med. At 0.5mg-1mg in 2 doses max lets say. It doesn't make me want to sleep, at those doses, and all residual stress I can still feel on some other benzos or without the headaches Xanax give me when taking more than 2mg. Anyway, I just wanted to say I'm set for a long long time, and it's not powder so I will use it smart, which I did with a 100mg bag of f-lam, but f-lam while stronger, really, the strongest benzo I ever had, is a hypnotic that should only be used for sleep. Clonazolam keeps the long-haul, not as long but close of clonazepam, the first benzo i was on for 3 1/2 years (went from 1 to 3.5mg when I asked for a valium taper, which got too fast and I asked to stop it at 20mg for now, that was in 2010...anyway I was pretty proud of reducing activity at my GABA-A benzo subreceptors by 2/3 (3.5mg compared to 20mg valium, you do the math).

I hesitated first posting here or in the flunitrazolam thread. Since I got the clonazolam, I put aside the flunitrazolam and only had 1 out of the 2 bromazepam 6's I'm supposed to take a day. Well I think I unlocked the mystery behind fluni-lam, in an experiment, that I don't intend on repeating...much, I took a single 0.5mg fluni-lam pill after suckling and downing 1mg clonazolam, and the hydroxyzine for my birch allergy and there's birches everywhere here, goddamnit, it's the only thing that works well, but it's also used as a pre-benzo sedative in people with anxiety issues and also for boosting opioids, I fondly remember how in the first year it made the bupe give me nods with the 50mg Atarax.

Anyway, 1mg of clonazolam would not have me wake up in bed, with my glasses right in front of my office chair by itself, flubromazolam did that, once I was basically nodding so hard from bupe+hydrox+flubromazolam, I was nodding my nose on the front of my desk, where it ended, thankfully it wasn't the corner. I remember being basically unable to stop nodding this way a year and some ago banging my nose on the desk, trying to stay asleep despite my inability to think clearly. I had a little scab on my nose, I was hitting it real hard it seems, the scab became annoying so I removed it, showing a line shaped small injury still. I said no more than 1mg flu-lam with my daily 0.5 to 2mg clonazolam. Ended up doing it again, but then forced myself into senses and stopped it, still banging exactly where the injury was, Took 4-5 months for the red line to go away.

Anyway, the lesson here is, flunitrazolam, if used wisely (0.25mg-0.5mg) is an excellent BOOSTER. By itself, sure I'll get some sleep with 2mg which is 4 pills. I went from 50 to 27 in 4 days before receiving the c-lam, disappointed.

See, I can admit to be a bit of recklessness, and that is a believable chain of events. Those who want a bonfire of c-lam or even rx benzos are misguided and usually show poor judgement.

I described what an "informed" extreme is. Still, don't do it. But, I can recommend that if you have flunitrazolam and an rx to a benzo, add in just 0.25-0.5 and you can save on your script, big time.
 
I'm really glad the company where I got my clonazolam blotter uses a kind of plastic that is not like normal ziploc baggies and are water resistant, or I would have wasted 70+ blotter when my guitar's neck caused a cascade of stuff to fall over on my desk and the last one was my can of mountain dew who was just south of the clonazolam bag, which was some kind of hard plastic all over except on the sides, i took them out with the eyelash clip I use to handle blotter, that and his scissors were indispensable when dealin L more than a decade ago. Anyway, the hits were all dry, I prayed the benzogod, and moved the thing in another ziploc and in a drawer. Had juiced up all of that I would have went mad I think lol.
 
Mixed 50mg worth of clam solution into a batch of mellow blocks. Took them to a party and gave them away for free, have no idea how many I ate because I woke up in my bed. I asked my friend who took me home and he said that he did but he doesn't remember driving, and he crashed his car into the curb. I'm sure this chemical has some nefarious uses.

I'll chime in and add my two cents, you have to figure if you order a lot, you're guarantying yourself physical dependency and the subsequent wd..
I would say unless you have the same level of self control as a buddhist monk, you shouldn't order a pile of something as addictive as benzo's..


- hs
I strongly disagree with this notion. Regardless of whether the drugs are in my drawer or halfway across the world, if you want to do something you're going to do it. I don't plan on using close to enough to have physical withdrawals. MAYBE once a month or some shit. I just think it's a little silly to blame large amounts on hand for ones addiction. The only drug that scares me is THC

You're fucking stupid. Behavioral management - e.g. only buying a little bit, so you don't have the option to overuse - is an extremely smart form of harm reduction. Drug-seeking behavior (or any pleasure-seeking behavior) is a spectrum, and overuse is often times a simple function of convenience. That's why many recovering alcoholics don't keep any booze in their house; yes, it's still available to buy at the corner store, but that's a big difference from it being available 10 meters away in the kitchen cabinet.

And then you're talking about passing out RC benzos to people at a party like it's fucking candy. You're a dumb, irresponsible see-u-next-tues.
 
I'm still a slave to this drug and I love/hate it. This entire year I've been taking etiz and c-lam and I watched my life go by and I feel like an empty shell every time I run out. It's a fantastic drug if you can handle your shit and not overdo it. It's like Christmas every time it comes to my house, then it's Armageddon after I run through it like a moron. That's because I'm still stuck in the trap of trying to erase my existence. If your life really sucks, this probably isn't the best drug to take because you'll take ridiculous doses to drown everything out.

It's a trap now because Etiz and c-lam are the only drugs that can get me moving and make me come to life again. If I could go back in time, I wouldn't have started back up. It sucks to feel like you need only one certain drug to get out of bed and be productive. It has become my life at this point. If I were smart, I would never order again and just stick to boring ass Klonopin.
 
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I strongly disagree with this notion. Regardless of whether the drugs are in my drawer or halfway across the world, if you want to do something you're going to do it. I don't plan on using close to enough to have physical withdrawals. MAYBE once a month or some shit. I just think it's a little silly to blame large amounts on hand for ones addiction. The only drug that scares me is THC

I've heard of heroin addicts who go and get a little heroin because they don't want to take too much, but that never works because once they run out, they go right back and get more. I don't know, it's just addict's logic to think having a little at a time will help. You'll only just go back for more and more if you're truly hooked.
 
I'm still a slave to this drug and I love/hate it. This entire year I've been taking etiz and c-lam and I watched my life go by and I feel like an empty shell every time I run out. It's a fantastic drug if you can handle your shit and not overdo it. It's like Christmas every time it comes to my house, then it's Armageddon after I run through it like a moron. That's because I'm still stuck in the trap of trying to erase my existence. If your life really sucks, this probably isn't the best drug to take because you'll take ridiculous doses to drown everything out.

It's a trap now because Etiz and c-lam are the only drugs that can get me moving and make me come to life again. If I could go back in time, I wouldn't have started back up. It sucks to feel like you need only one certain drug to get out of bed and be productive. It has become my life at this point. If I were smart, I would never order again and just stick to boring ass Klonopin.

If really committed you will do a "painful" (I put it in between quotes because it's really not compared no dose at all, but to benzoheads, it seems very difficult to imagine, but these days psychiatrist all know about tapering one from benzos the correct speed, well i'd say 3 out of 4, mine and 2 other friends, one guy had his xanax 2mg cut to 15mg serax once a day for 15 days...yeah, so there's still criminally insane psydocs out there) mg per mg valium taper, or 5mg per 5mg librium taper. I think Librium is an even better choice. When I was taking just 2x0.5mg clonazepam a day (scripted), my friend who had been inpatient a few days for real bad alcohol withdrawals, was released with a shit ton 6 refill bottle of 25mg Librium to stop the shaking and the doctors gave him that much for long because they feared he might have damaged his nerves forever, that didn't happen thankfully. But I know that when I had 75mg of Librium, I slept, and slept and slept, so damn well. For 2 days, after just tweaking (oral meth) one day. It's even longer lasting than valium which is an advantage. Just the difference is that the steps are 5mg instead of 1mg, librium comes as 25, 10 and 5's.
 
Thanks. I've never heard of Librium. I'll look into it. I know I would be ok if I only used my Klonopin script in a responsible way and stopped ordering this shit. The problem is I'm still in the grips of addiction. I'm not done with it yet and I know that once I get paid again I'm ordering. That's so sad. It's all I've got right now. I can't get my Klonopin script till the 18th anyway so being able to get this drug or Etiz before then is very enticing so I can be productive again.

Another problem is I live with family and their nosy asses are always rushing to the door for the mail first so they see that box too much and they're onto me. I was threatened to have it "taken away" by a family member the next time she sees it. Sorry, but those are fighting words. No one is keeping my shit. I found a different place that sells it in liquid form so the package will look different, but they will still be suspicious.
 
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I've heard of heroin addicts who go and get a little heroin because they don't want to take too much, but that never works because once they run out, they go right back and get more. I don't know, it's just addict's logic to think having a little at a time will help. You'll only just go back for more and more if you're truly hooked.

A lot more difficult with benzos, people don't sell benzos like they sell other drugs out there, you usually need friends who are also scripted some like I did with a couple girls, one with 2mg ativans and the other with 30mg serax, we would help each other in case of no benzos. Thing is, benz wd can kill. Not opiate wd, had I known all the shit methadone and bupe gave me, I would have enduredthe 11 days my cousin did after he went to Montreal hitch hiking with 3000 bucks in his wallet only to find some H and get wasted, he came back, was lucky to have bus money to come back home, he almost lost it, and was sick for 11 days and never shot up again. Only reason I went to ORT was to save my money and get a painkiller without too many questions (methadone works well for pain), although it made me gain 100 pounds..would they script the pills for pain that go 1,5,10,25mg, I could have went much lower than 65mg. Plus I always questioned how (not anymore) but at first when I had to switch pharmacy because not all of them do the methadone in orange juice in the brown bottle hydrocodone and codeine syrup (pure) comes in thing, they get government monies to do so and they were the only ones in my area of town. I'm sure one of the bitch who looked at me like if I was some kind of monster when I look like a jock or whatever, no typical junkie signs, that if she prepared, and its the technicians who did, doses at night when they closed, shorted you with the liquid, the 10mg/ml and the 1mg/ml to give you the dose you need, as I was going 2-3mg per month, I was taking stuff like 57mg etc., not hard to understand. Well I should have continued with methadone, when I reached 39mg, the scheduled 2 days with nothing then outpatient, well, I was in a room only for suboxone induction and if all was well, came in the next day, and left with a dose I felt was ok. But when I was at 39mg of methadone, it was like, I got zero pain, my pain issue is totally in control yet I don't feel high at all (unlike when I reached 40mg the first time, a 10mg jump, I remember feeling it hard then), could have continued tapering that easily, if it was still 2-3mg per month. But no, now I have 26 fillings after 2 years thanks to the lemon-lime suboxone pills, fuck. I know I could have manned up and just endured it, had 2 benzo scripts, clonidine, immodium, benadryl, when I was shooting up 32-64mg dillies a day. I kicked it a couple times myself, easily, but the prospect of having to do it yet another time was way too hard mentally to accept.

Well I should have. With benzos well, I was put on clonazepam first for seizure control, psychiatrist was told I was on it, just raised the dose for the GAD.

Librium is the first benzo :) Valium came a little after. They mostly give it to people who are detoxing from massive alcohol abuse these days, although, I find it great for sleep compared to even 30mg temazepam, at 75mg though sure, hehe, 3x25mg. Which, depending on what you take, you could be taking a hundred milligram+ for a week at first if switching to Librium.
 
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