Chicago Heroin v. The return of Chinky

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serious answer, brother: Taco Burrito King is shit. :) But in all seriousness. Got some subs the other night and the only thing I have to say is that I have not touched dope since Thur. night but here I am well enough to be talking to you fine folks, instead of being bedridden. LOL! The only thing I have to say is "WOW"! I took the strips in 4mg (4 4mg. thus far) increments and besides feeling a little tired, I hardly feel like anything is missing.
Have a good weekend ppl.
 
No, they're both use to manage opiate dependence, only Methadone comes in liquid form and if what we call an "opiate agonist". This means the synthetic opiate attaches itself to the naturally occurring opiate receptors so it basically "holds" you and stops with from going through withdrawal. You can start at a high dose (eg 120mg) and taper off over time, or stay on it forever (called "maintenance"). Not recommended thought (wrecks your teeth due to high sugar content among other things).
Now Buprenorphine (you said 'subs' but they come in two forms: Suboxone and Subutex)
Suboxone is a film you place under your tongue. Start dose is around 16mg though I've heard of higher. This drug is what's called as opiate agonist (the part the mimics the opiate and attaches to the receptors) AND and antagognist (because it also contains Naloxone - the stuff they use to stop you overdosing as it knocks all the opiates OFF your receptors). This was put in to try and stop users from injecting it. Subutex comes in a white pill form and can be crushed and injected though it is not recommended.
In Australia Subutex tablets are reserved only for Pregnant woman or those weaning off the program (you can start at 8mg), but you have a time limit of 6 months to come off it completely.
Hope this has helped
 
Itchy - glad to see that you got something to help in this situation. I don't know what your plan is, or your source for subs (Dr? You don't have to answer that...) but if you want to get off the dope and stay off the subs, then I suggest doing a quick taper, as quick as possible, if you can stick with it. It might get a little uncomfortable, but get it over with. Good luck, man.

Pizza - yeah, I'm just gonna stick with the sub maintenance plan for right now. Like you said, no reason not to. And no, not interested in 'done. Basically, I don't want to be tied to a clinic every day, even if there are takehomes eventually. I've already got a relationship with my doc, and he's a good guy. I'm the one that's responsible for my sobriety - I'm the one that went back out - can't blame anyone else for that.

When I stay clean, or off dope, and do my thing, meet my obligations and responsibilities, then life is good. It's all in my head, all the negativity and self-doubt.

The bitch is, dope makes all that BS go away, but we all know what else happens. At least some of us do.

Be good, kids...
 
Off topic - I'm looking at used sport bikes, and motorcycle gear on sale/clearance, while doing some internet Christmas shopping for the family.
I sure wish we lived in Northern Cali. I got friends and relatives around SF and the Sacramento area, and that's all gorgeous riding country. Hills, mountains, desert, National Parks, ocean coast. Sure, there's drawbacks, and I got no idea what kind of work I'd look for out there...but there's nothing like it around here. And it's fucking cold riding right now, even on warmer days, in the sun.

PS. This Hawks shootout is going nowhere....
 
Lol@ nsb! I'm not sure what my long term plans are in regards to getting high. All I know is that I have to regroup. I want to experience the non-high life for a while. I have been slacking on so much lately! ...no, everything. I was blessed with some subs, to get me over this nasty hump and I feel like that's kind of what I needed.(didn't see any other option[besides quiting my job]) I'm not going to (can't) say, I'm done but in my minds eye, I'm done for right now. How long is "right now"? I don't know. :) I just feel like I was given an opportunity and I don't intend on squandering it. Yeah nsb, I used to have sport bikes, my latest one was a stretched 96 gsxr tangerine orange, that I sold back to the shop where I bought it from $6400 + 1300 custom paint job...sold it for $450 bucks it was all fucked up and and all but worth a little more. Lol. ...crack had a lot to do with that. Since then, could not bring myself to buy another, I ride irresponsibly and got tired of crashing them.
Thanks for all your support guys.
...still want to know what precipitated WDs are.
Good info monkeygrrrl. Thanks.
Take care folks.
Thanks.
 
Thnx for the info!!! Nsb try tapering off subs. I did and had basically no withdrawal and when in rehad others on subs had just minor withdrawal. Trust me I have tried to kick methadone like 4 times and successful the last like 10 years ago. The sub come off was nothing compared to the done. See if u can do it if u want... Can't believe its almost the new year.
 
@fantom. Yeah! I know right!? It seemed like it was just winter a few months ago! Maybe cause it was so long and cold. Maybe cause I spent almost the whole year in a nod. -_-
Keep warm ppl.
Damn! I picked the wrong season to stop my bullshit!!
I've always been Polako like that. Stop partying on a Fri., stop drinking New Years Eve, etc. ...Cause the whole week I've done so much patying, that's when I reach my cycle limit. LOL!
Yeah, thanks Erikmen.
 
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@welder. I think you are the first person that has praised methadone, if my memory serves me right(and my memory is not the best these days). Usually people regret ever going on that stuff because it keeps you in the addiction looping cycle. They use that shit, use that shit, until they cave in and get the real thing and then hit bottom again and go back on meth and the cycle continues. With me, the job I have now, I'm trying to treat with a little more respect than the usual 'don't give a shit' attitude. And I usually would go cold turkey in the past and just bum it out, be sick(call in sick) and get over it. With this job, I have to keep using to not feel sick at work. So in other words I'm stuck. The two days off are hardly enough time to tackle this beast.
In any case, you are doing it and for that I applaud you.
And no, you can't control this shit, it's not a "weekend warrior" type of drug. You are absolutely right.
Later.
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When I get on methadone I usually follow the program the best I can so I get my take homes. it sucks but it is what it is and it keeps me off the dope. But I always start drinking more and more when off the opiates. If the clinic would let me smoke weed I would hardly drink. But all in all I have better results with the 'done then with subs. With subs I get a month supply and I am able to cheat because I don't have to be accountable. But with the methadone I gotta worry about all the random drug tests.
 
Yr welcome itchy :)
"Precipitated WDs" are what opiate users get (the WD is for WithDrawal, yes?) if they accidentally put themselves into the throes of opiate withdrawal by doing something ultra dumb like having a hit of heroin and then trying to dissolve and inject some Suboxone film. The Suboxone has Naloxone in it, so it sole purpose is to kick all the opiates off your opiate receptors (it's very similar to the drug the medics inject you with if you are overdosing on heroin). So yeah, doing that would not only reverse one's stone, it would also put them into full blown withdrawal. Oh and there is nothing you can do about it either, just gotta ride it out. Not fun...
 
I don't think the small amount of naloxone in the subs does anything for a serious user. I have seen many people shoot the films and had no pwd. Again everyone is different.
 
@welder. Whatever works bud. I follow the same trend when I'm not getting high. My drinking momentum seems to pick up. I think mainly because I don't really don't know how to be sober and occupy my time with something else. It's been a while since I was really involved in a "normal" life. The kind of life where you are completely involved in something comletely involved(heart and soul) in something that you enjoy. Like NSB mentioned motorcycles, I used to love bikes but now find them pointless pussy magnets. Since I'm with the girl I'm with, I find them kind of unnecessary. Same with cars and sports and a lot of material shit. Does that make sense? I think this shit and some other, kind of takes the "flavor" out of ordinary life.
Just don't let the booze run away with you, man. That shit can be just as destructive (if not more[depending on the circumstances])as dope. I've done some INCREDIBLY stupid shit while drinking...That's an understatement. I have a feeling I don't need to talk to you about evils of alcohol. That's just for the newbies. LOL.
Speaking of which, I wonder if subs somehow interact with booze, cause I had two pints last night and 2mg sub and I felt more drunk than usual off of two beers. Hmm...
@Monkeygrrrl...Oh yeah...The wonderful Narcan! Been hit with that a few times. Belive it or not, the spray is worse than the shot. You wake up and your nose is just literally running with mucus! Its horrible! LOL! I was brought to Swedish Covenant one time off the street and prior to that paramedics administered the nose spray, I walked out feeling like garbage!! But to dispell the myth of not being able to get high after narcan, I did a couple of bags about an hour later and never missed a beat. I was high just as if I never had naloxone. Maybe that's just me and only that time. There are a lot more stories out there to contradict mine, so I would suggest not trying it.
...Yes! Not fun!
Shooter1 can vouch for the "not fun" part.
 
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Pizza, mine package states 8buprenorphine/2mg of Naloxone. I don't know how significant that is. I would like to know what they hit you with during OD!? Cause that shit wakes you right up! UGH! I cringe when I remember those "wake ups"!
Later bud.
4th day no dope. Kind of happy about it actually.
 
LOL! Yeah, I heard of that one too but intil right now, thought I was the only one that heard that. Also thought it was like an urban myth.
Shit, the one I remember very vividly was when I snorted a bag on the street, thought I wasn't high enough for the trip back so I did another, just got done buying a transfer on the greenline, went through the turnstiles aaaand... Woke up, I got drool all over the front of my shirt, paramedics and some cop yelling at me "You almost died asshole!!" I think I was actually pissed that they were waking me up! lol. The funny thing is that I felt nothing out of the ordinary prior to that. Yes, indeed. I was lucky.
 
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