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im old but new to this whole addicted bs but I've been on these type pills a couple years so now it's a mess. I get the oxy from my doc. The hydromorph from a non doc. I've been moving so much that I just always end up at the bottom of a pain docs list. Slit my own doing but that's life
I know where to get dilys but I don't have pain right now so I don't technically need them. I want to just go back to take as needed. Not take them to not be sick
 
I wish Canada would bring out hydrocodone products , along with oxymorphone and Actiq . If its approved state side and it works , what is health Canadas deal with "approved medication" .

Ive been dealing with alot of doctors lately due to surgury and im noticing in my area , that oxycodone is becoming increasingly hard to get prescribed , even for legitimate purposes , oxycodone has always worked better for me than dilaudid but within 2 weeks i was being switched off percocet for hydromorph contin , which isnt even suppose to be used for post operative pain .

Alot of other people ive talked to are being switched to hydromorph contin as well , even if their with the same doctor .

And it doesnt seem to just be younger doctors either , even people i talk with who have had the same meds for years are being switched over . apparently its some new health canada mandate being circulated to doctors to avoid prescribing oxycodone all together regardless of its use .
 
Yup my doc mentioned hydromorphs but I refuse to go higher. I just detoxed from 80-120 mg oxy today so I'm waiting till I see my doc and gonna try for non narcotic pain meds. I think hydromorph is being pushed due to cost. Which is counter productive imo
 
I've noticed too the PM community is recommending dilaudid for extended management at low doses 2-4 mg.My script is hydrocodone, so I think it's overkill-which was what I told the PM people. I was told they were using it more because there are fewer side effects, most people tolerate it well and no Apap to ruin your liver. No thank you, I don't need to try a detox from Dillies. I haven't told them I CWE extract my doses, so my liver is just fine.

I had Aqtic before and after fusion surgery and they omitted to tell me there would be withdrawals. Fentynal withdrawal was not fun.
 
LightTrailz said:
I wish Canada would bring out hydrocodone products , along with oxymorphone and Actiq . If its approved state side and it works , what is health Canadas deal with "approved medication" .

Ive been dealing with alot of doctors lately due to surgury and im noticing in my area , that oxycodone is becoming increasingly hard to get prescribed , even for legitimate purposes , oxycodone has always worked better for me than dilaudid but within 2 weeks i was being switched off percocet for hydromorph contin , which isnt even suppose to be used for post operative pain .

Alot of other people ive talked to are being switched to hydromorph contin as well , even if their with the same doctor .

And it doesnt seem to just be younger doctors either , even people i talk with who have had the same meds for years are being switched over . apparently its some new health canada mandate being circulated to doctors to avoid prescribing oxycodone all together regardless of its use .
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Well, Hycodan is dispensed often, it's common. But 3/4 of the time as the syrup for very sick people. But its there, its an option when codeine has been tried and still painful coughing happens. Can be used for pain too, but that's at the doctor's discretion, but it's in the monograph. I was able to get 8-9 bottles of 5mg pills and 3-4 of syrup before, my doctors had no problem with it, when an x-ray or a known chronic painful but not too painful place was annoying me. I remember saying these, they don't make me sick like oxycontin, I don't mind that its not covered. And there my script was printed. Gonna be working on the process of obtaining Ibucodan/Codofen by doing all the crazy things to have a compounding pharmacy (which we do not have in my town, except for the ketamine + nsaid+lyrica creams) and have the script be sent by mail and stuff once i'm off bupe. 6 months ago i was at 12mg, now 6 mg. I'm promised pain treatment since i'm a pain patient that was left out cold when a doctor treating me with kinda mild stuff (Codeine Contins 200mg, Percodan once to twice a day for breakthrough) with the meloxicam (nsaid) I still got, but bupe isn't enough, not nearly enough. I want to be able to feel 6x5mg hycodans again, for sure.

I know people with a script for 40 and sometimes 60mg APO-Oxycodone CR. HM Contin orally is a waste of time, and people sell them to junkies who crush them (like I used to) when I would get 18mg, 24 and 30's...so..many...shots. Dilaudid orally is not extreme though as a proposition, it barely does anything, 80% of your liver kills it, so 1mg is really 0.2mg etc. I've had Dilaudid 1 and 2mg in large quantities from the dentist but thats because they were helping out while i was looking for another jaw specialist. but made sure to make a speech about how they were helping me for a chronic condition and he's not supposed to do this.

I got prescribed Oxy IR 20mg last year even if i was on suboxone when a nasty infection somewhere....well look up pilonidal sinus at your own risk, the doctor said don't take the suboxone, yeah yeah, still meant 3-4 days of the Oxy IR doing nothing. But still I don't see this anti-oxy crusade here. What they really won't prescribe is high dose IR morphine, like Statex 25mg and 50mg, or the XR's like Kadians 130mg, 200mg, MSContins 200mg, M-Eslons, 100s, 200s etc.
 
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Maybe its just my area then , now that im stuck having to manage my own pain again , some of my information is coming from indirect word of mouth from other people who have issues similar to mine yet dont like their medication or just would prefer something else.

been hearing alot of rumors though of heroin making its way into our city in mostly powder form . it was almost unheard of 5 years ago and im inclined to think it has an origin which would coincide with when doctors started to become "more stringent" .

my family doctor is a younger lady , knows my background , injuries yet trying to even get t3's is like asking for injectable dilaudid , yet another doctor who saw me in her absence had no issues giving me 2mg dilaudid for the same issues.

maybe im just reading it all wrong . its happened before. im back to waiting on a pain management list , been close to 9 months so far and still no call .
 
Yeah, with so much old people now, you gotta be pretty messed up to get fast access to a pain clinic. Works faster in larger cities like Montreal, and I'd guess Toronto and Vanc. We have heroin in QC but it's almost exclusively in Montreal and it's often european brown, people smoke it on foil etc. I never used it but I saw it, back then chewing on a 10mg oxycontin was enough for me, so I wouldn't chase the dragon with these couple friends. Never saw white powder H, only brown, which is #3 I guess.
 
As a yank,I'm surprised at what seems to be a dearth of dope in Canada.Is it a case of not looking hard enough or just easier access to PM ?
 
MMT said:
As a yank,I'm surprised at what seems to be a dearth of dope in Canada.Is it a case of not looking hard enough or just easier access to PM ?
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Pharms are everywhere and cheap, real junkies will spit on most likely fent cut H and buy a 30mg (highest dosage) Hydromorph Contin, mortar and pestle the shit out of it, and here were are given injection kits by the government who have good filters in them, good enough for HM Contin, which unlike almost all morphine extended pills contain talc (Kadian beads, M-Eslon beads and some other totally noname morphine ER generics beads in a gelcap). But yeah HM Contin, Dilaudid which is given like candy here, because hydrocodone is not, its what you'd get for pain here, hydrocodone only being used as an antitussive, almost only, but 99% of the time, at least its pure syrup or pills).

Remember also that kids who are 15 get hooked on doing this with HM Contin 4.5mg,6, 9mg, that the grown up junkies sell back cheaper than beer, same with brand name Dilaudid 1-2-4mg (8's are rare though, only had them twice, once a lot of PMS-Hydromorphone 8mg, but once I had these awesome triangles that leave no residue at all in the SecuriCup). Also Oxy IR 10's and 20's are easy to come by, and cheap. I mean, meds are already extremely cheap here, you'd laugh at what a 30x5mg Oxy IR script cost my insurance that one time I was scripted them, probably the same for the Oxy IR 10's. Generic Oxycontins are easier to find than our version of the OP's (OxyNeos) in certain milieus...skag is quite limited to the southern peninsula of Ontario that follows the great lakes and are in the most south of all the country, Detroit leading to Windsor, Ontario (where you gotta drive south to get to, only place in America, except for a few freak cases where a few rednecks live from the other side of lake superior in Ontario and Manitoba) is also no surprise in the fact that its where most H is available. And then there is Vancouver, junkie town, caused by gentrification of the city at a rapid pace, it's like the second city thats the most expensive to live in, in the entire world, and the winters are not like the rest of the country, climate is like Seattle, so a lot of people living outside cos the apartments are just too expensive, and what do you do when you're so bored out of your mind and your mom receives your welfare cheque, you go cash it and sleep your useless existence on a park bench in an opiated sunshine. But they also got cheap pharms, on top of that, from what I hear.
 
^Sounds like the opposite of here(US).Your Docs are writing like mad and they give you kits with wheel filters like they know what you're going to do.I hear ya on the fent shit and I get why they do it($$) but the idiots aren't taking the long view.They're killing off their custies AND bringing so much unneeded heat on themselves.Imagine,we're living in a time when heroin is the safer alternative,who woulda thought.Thanks Drug War.
 
Codeine is easily available over the counter at pharmacies in Ontario, too f-ing easy. I use it daily at least almost daily.
I've had access to Heroin but not for some time, it's hard to find if you don't have connections but I know it's everywhere.
I really don't know, like I said I don't have those connections anymore, but I would guess Heroin and I used to see Oxycontin and Oxycodone a lot. It's probably why I CWE codeine because just walking up to someone and asking for what I actually would want isn't the best option. I more frequently get hit up for crack or cocaine and I just never enjoyed those so I steer clear. Insufflate a line of coke and you want more NOW, but heroin I would buy like a quarter gram and just do tiny lines and feel great for hours without jonesing. I never IV'd but I did try skin pop and just felt meh, so I stayed with snorting once in a while. As long as you didn't do it a lot it didn't become a rreal problem for me unlike codeine where there is a drug dealer, I mean pharmacy on every corner.
 
I remember those triangle D 8's , they were awesome , the pms brand which ive been encountering alot are ok but i would prefer brand name , i prefer their hardness and texture rather than the flour esque consistency of the pms brand. its probably been a few years since ive seen brand name 8's . Got some brand name 4's a while back that were very nice compared to their pms counter parts but for the most part i get better bang for my buck waiting for the higher strength capsules , its easier to make it last a few days compared to a few 4's which last me maybe a day or so .

i know what you mean about the codiene tabs but honestly a CWE is limited to the amount of caffeine your willing to consume , i usually try to limit it to about 120 mg max per 5/hours after that the caffeine crash and jitteryness sticks around for me longer than the buzz from the codiene , im not sensitive to caffeine but without atleast some ativan or valium to counteract the caffeine the last hour or so can brutal depending on how tired i am or bored .
 
BeeBum said:
Codeine is easily available over the counter at pharmacies in Ontario, too f-ing easy. I use it daily at least almost daily.
I've had access to Heroin but not for some time, it's hard to find if you don't have connections but I know it's everywhere.
I really don't know, like I said I don't have those connections anymore, but I would guess Heroin and I used to see Oxycontin and Oxycodone a lot. It's probably why I CWE codeine because just walking up to someone and asking for what I actually would want isn't the best option. I more frequently get hit up for crack or cocaine and I just never enjoyed those so I steer clear. Insufflate a line of coke and you want more NOW, but heroin I would buy like a quarter gram and just do tiny lines and feel great for hours without jonesing. I never IV'd but I did try skin pop and just felt meh, so I stayed with snorting once in a while. As long as you didn't do it a lot it didn't become a rreal problem for me unlike codeine where there is a drug dealer, I mean pharmacy on every corner.
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If you don't mind me asking,how does the codeine thing work? Is it OTC ? It must be mixed with something.Is it an expensive habit?
 
Tylenol with codeine

MMT said:
If you don't mind me asking,how does the codeine thing work? Is it OTC ? It must be mixed with something.Is it an expensive habit?
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You have to go to the pharmacy counter and ask for it, no prescription for tylenol 1 in most of Canada. I live in Toronto. Tylenol 1 generic form is cheaper than name brand and it depends on where you buy it and what quantity bottle you buy. For example the larger chain drugstores charge a lot more than some of the smaller independants. To give you an example, if you buy 200 quantity which most places carry you can pay up to 18.00 a bottle at the larger chain stores such as Shoppers Drug Mart or Rexall. Most small independent drug stores and walmart sell for around 12.40 taxes in for the same quantity. I found an IDA in Guildwood that sells it for just under 10.00 for 200. By chance I found a store just down the block from me where it was about 7.90 for 200 a big score if you could look at it that way. It's a pain killer, I got started on tylenol 3's which are 30mg prescription only for back pain. Eventually I was cut off, even though I have suffered with this pain for almost my entire adult life. The feeling is like a happy floaty euphoric feeling. They offset the drowsiness effect by adding caffeine to it.

What you mix it with depends on how you take it. If you have never done it taking a few pills orally with white grapefruit juice (it's a potentiator) will give you the most bang for your buck. When I started I took like 6 to 8 pills but at that time I never heard of Cold Water Extraction otherwise I would have done that for sure. If you get heartburn take some zantac about 30 minutes before taking. But for safety reasons because tylenol is bad for your liver and as an example when my dad was a cop he was called to a kids tylenol party where several had ingested too much and they got extremely ill and some actually caused liver damage. So even for small amounts recreationally I would seriously say perform Cold Water Extraction (CWE) to remove the tylenol or most of it from the codeine. You can't get rid of the caffeine so if you find it makes you edgy weed can take that edge off. CWE is easy, you must do it properly to extract the most codeine for your buck and it makes it safe. Start small, tylenol generic 1's have 8mg of codeine and 15 mg of caffeine in each pill. There are videos on youtube that will show you how to do it, and posts on here that describe the process, but read several as some are more knowledgeable than others. (CWE) The taste is bitter but for small amounts just wash it down with something acidic like grapefruit juice or orange juice to mask the taste. Some say mixing small amounts with koolaid helps but I find it mixing it with anything isn't worth it, I just chase it with juice.

Seriously don't just take a handful of pills, CWE take a little time but it is the only truly safe way to ingest codeine. I hope I gave you valuable info if you have any more questions feel free to message me.
 
BeeBum said:
You have to go to the pharmacy counter and ask for it, no prescription for tylenol 1 in most of Canada. I live in Toronto. Tylenol 1 generic form is cheaper than name brand and it depends on where you buy it and what quantity bottle you buy. For example the larger chain drugstores charge a lot more than some of the smaller independants. To give you an example, if you buy 200 quantity which most places carry you can pay up to 18.00 a bottle at the larger chain stores such as Shoppers Drug Mart or Rexall. Most small independent drug stores and walmart sell for around 12.40 taxes in for the same quantity. I found an IDA in Guildwood that sells it for just under 10.00 for 200. By chance I found a store just down the block from me where it was about 7.90 for 200 a big score if you could look at it that way. It's a pain killer, I got started on tylenol 3's which are 30mg prescription only for back pain. Eventually I was cut off, even though I have suffered with this pain for almost my entire adult life. The feeling is like a happy floaty euphoric feeling. They offset the drowsiness effect by adding caffeine to it.

What you mix it with depends on how you take it. If you have never done it taking a few pills orally with white grapefruit juice (it's a potentiator) will give you the most bang for your buck. When I started I took like 6 to 8 pills but at that time I never heard of Cold Water Extraction otherwise I would have done that for sure. If you get heartburn take some zantac about 30 minutes before taking. But for safety reasons because tylenol is bad for your liver and as an example when my dad was a cop he was called to a kids tylenol party where several had ingested too much and they got extremely ill and some actually caused liver damage. So even for small amounts recreationally I would seriously say perform Cold Water Extraction (CWE) to remove the tylenol or most of it from the codeine. You can't get rid of the caffeine so if you find it makes you edgy weed can take that edge off. CWE is easy, you must do it properly to extract the most codeine for your buck and it makes it safe. Start small, tylenol generic 1's have 8mg of codeine and 15 mg of caffeine in each pill. There are videos on youtube that will show you how to do it, and posts on here that describe the process, but read several as some are more knowledgeable than others. (CWE) The taste is bitter but for small amounts just wash it down with something acidic like grapefruit juice or orange juice to mask the taste. Some say mixing small amounts with koolaid helps but I find it mixing it with anything isn't worth it, I just chase it with juice.

Seriously don't just take a handful of pills, CWE take a little time but it is the only truly safe way to ingest codeine. I hope I gave you valuable info if you have any more questions feel free to message me.
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Thanks for the explanation.You got me thinking.You're prolly CWE Codeine phosphate and I'm thinking that there must be a way to base out the Codeine like one can with M using ammonia to pH 9.1, if you were so inclined.Don't know at what pH Codeine drops out at off the top of my head but I'm sure it's out there in the literature.Just a thought.
 
so anyone from or around montreal? What are your experiences with the H in montreal? came across some one was kinda yellowish/tan looking and another a greyish very light brown tan. Dont know what to say about it, cautious to iv careful with insufflation. Never did more than half a point at anytime.
 
MMT said:
^Sounds like the opposite of here(US).Your Docs are writing like mad and they give you kits with wheel filters like they know what you're going to do.I hear ya on the fent shit and I get why they do it($$) but the idiots aren't taking the long view.They're killing off their custies AND bringing so much unneeded heat on themselves.Imagine,we're living in a time when heroin is the safer alternative,who woulda thought.Thanks Drug War.
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Doctors dont give injection kits. But every pharmacies and ER triage gives them away, yes. We don't get scripted like mad, but they have no DEA watching every move they make, if they can justify the pain script, their reasoning takes over anyone else's. Like in most industrialized nations. No wheel filters, but SteriFilts, which are almost as good.
 
BeeBum said:
Codeine is easily available over the counter at pharmacies in Ontario, too f-ing easy. I use it daily at least almost daily.
I've had access to Heroin but not for some time, it's hard to find if you don't have connections but I know it's everywhere.
I really don't know, like I said I don't have those connections anymore, but I would guess Heroin and I used to see Oxycontin and Oxycodone a lot. It's probably why I CWE codeine because just walking up to someone and asking for what I actually would want isn't the best option. I more frequently get hit up for crack or cocaine and I just never enjoyed those so I steer clear. Insufflate a line of coke and you want more NOW, but heroin I would buy like a quarter gram and just do tiny lines and feel great for hours without jonesing. I never IV'd but I did try skin pop and just felt meh, so I stayed with snorting once in a while. As long as you didn't do it a lot it didn't become a rreal problem for me unlike codeine where there is a drug dealer, I mean pharmacy on every corner.
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It's just t1's though. Will only work once a day. A place sold me a bottle of 100 every 2 weeks, so I had to pharmacy shop (which is now almost a crime, so thats why i filled a little known form when they were advertising that shit on TV to not be part of it. Don't want every pharmacist, doctor, dentist, nurse, EMT etc. to be know my entire medical history by entering in my health card's number. Anyway, once I managed to get off opiates with a lot of T1's, some Mersyndols (codeine, doxylamine, tylenol) I'd buy by asking, and the pharmacies I go to know about my pain issues so they didnt think twice. I would shoot up only 2mg of dilaudid at night, and have a nice 400mg cup of codeine juice (with doxylamine, which kills the caffeine in T1's). It's good that they keep T1's. Once my dentist told me, no need for a script, go buy some T1's, they're dirt cheap.
 
yep. I feel your pain (literally). It's almost impossible these days to get prescribed Oxycodone in Ontario unless you're over 65. SWIM, who experiences chronic pain, has to buy Oxy on the street to have any kind of quality of life, but it's financial unfeasible to do it for a long time, and even if it were, Oxycodone is getting harder and harder to find anyway.
One guy I know had stomach surgery and was taken off pain management very early...no doctors would help him so he had to go to the ER every 12 hours...just a revolving door method until he finally found a doctor (whose office had a sign saying NO NARCOTICS WILL BE PRESCRIBED...like every other walk-in) who recognized how much pain he was in and prescribed morphine.
 
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