Can we have a thread here to discuss the current lounge rules?

I have stopped posting pictures haphazardly, I have been nice to members who usually get shit in The Lounge, I have embraced newer members, I have stopped posting the indeed owl, I quit making fucking Anarchy 2007 Lounge Threads. I have done all this out of respect for staff and Bluelight as a whole in order to maintain peace and professionalism. All I can say to this is that it seems my efforts were in vain, because you people keep bending me and obviously want to see me break. This thread. Disgusting. A thread about The Lounge made by Zephyr with good hearted intention turns into a thread centered around petty drama and me... I only wish the general Bluelight population could have seen the other threads and the PMs that involved me, some of the things said in there because frankly I think it would make them sick as it made me sick. I think what makes me ill the most is the fact I don't have it in my heart to tell a majority of you to go fuck yourselves. I been insulted, hated, humiliated, and fucking beaten into the ground for expressing myself but I still cant find it myself to lash back. It makes me confused and sick that I care so much about bunch of people I only know online who are oceans and miles away... That I don't have it in my heart to tell them off even after all this shit... Fucking pitiful on my part.
 
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ClubbinGuido, please don't take any of this too close to heart. You are not the sacrificial lamb here, even though it probably appears that way from your perspective. Let's let this latest bout of Lounge flu blow over without any unnecessary victims, especially yourself.

I mentioned some time ago in the staff appreciation thread that Bluelight does a fantastic job at matching staff to their wide variety of forums. Each BL forum has a different beat. Nowhere is this more evident than in The Lounge. I know for a fact that I could not, as moderator, keep up with the pace in The Lounge and find it no less than amazing that there are people who actually can. They must suffer from higher forms of ADD or something (said with endearment).

I used to frequent The Lounge back in the day, but I was in a different frame of mind back then. You have to be, imo, to stay there for longer periods of time. The more you remain there, the more immune you become to the antics within, the more those antics may escalate and the more the outside world may be at odds with what goes on in there.

We know and admit, for the most part, that there are some posters who do go overboard. This has been the case before and is the case now. I can, but will not, name several ex-bluelighters who achieved godlike status in The Lounge through this cycle of escalating behaviour which is originally frowned on as trolling, but subsequently develops such a following as to make it quite difficult to suppress. This gives fuel to a wave of similar behaviour from other posters and before you know it, that behaviour is now the resident norm and how dare anyone take it away. This is where we are again today.

So what is the solution?

In my opinion - decorum. Lounge, General Chit-Chat, Casual Banter and similar forums exist on practically all other boards. Even on the General Bullshit forum on SomethingAweful.com, however, they enjoy a level of decorum several levels above our Lounge. It's not rocket science, it's basic common sense. Sure some may cry "censorship", "crackdown", "tyranny", "repression". So what, let them. Don't like it, don't post. I've been here long enough to have lived through all the waves of allow/disallow of racism, insults, demeaning, explicit images, and many more. One of the reasons I do not visit the Lounge as frequently any more is because all of this is constantly allowed in there, off and on, and not in the other forums. The rebuttal may come, "If you don't like it, then don't visit The Lounge". This rebuttal has indeed come many times from both posters and staff. The choice has been quite easy - I don't visit, hardly. But it's not just me. It's a self perpetuating downward spiral, The Lounge is, in its present state without any hint of decency. It may bounce every now and again in an attempt to regain composure, because "things have simply gotten out of hand". In the long run, however, unless a change is made at the core, it is doomed.

There's much more I wanted to say, but have lost my train of thought because I'm pressed for time and have to skidaddle for a bit.

I do have to come on record though as saying that I am very disappointed that this entire discussion hasn't been taken behind closed doors or, at the very least, pruned and split into separate public and staff threads.
 
I and others want to see a vote from the majority on how they feel about the state of The Lounge. And what bothers me is that most Bluelighters are afraid to speak up on this issue out of fear of being singled out like I am. I hardly feel it is "doomed" because of the posting habits of some. It doomed from this drama if anything. For a while it was slow as shit and if anything there are more Bluelighters than ever posting in that forum.

I do agree something must be done in order to preserve the unity of Bluelight within The Lounge in order to maintain order for the rest of the site. However, whatever is done must be something that doesn't impede on the basic fundamentals of The Lounge, limits the expression of posters, and punishes Bluelighters over bullshit rules.
 
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ClubbinGuido said:
I and others want to see a vote from the majority on how they feel about the state of The Lounge. And what bothers me is that most Bluelighters are afraid to speak up on this issue out of fear of being singled out like I am. I hardly feel it is "doomed". For a while it was slow as shit and if anything there are more Bluelighters than ever posting in that forum.
Exactly. What some people hate, and want abolished others love and think is funny.

Some people dislike how ClubbinGuido acts, some people love it.

Maybe we need two lounges. One for the those that dislike the lounge as it is and one for those that like the lounge like it is.
 
9mmCensor said:
Maybe we need two lounges. One for the those that dislike the lounge as it is and one for those that like the lounge like it is.

Logically this would be the ideal solution but I think in the long run it would only prove to further divide Bluelight in the long run.
 
zephyr said:
ATTN Animal Cookie: for gods sake, remember that little thing that sometimes BL is about? What was it again...harm reduction? Sometimes when people are high and emotional they do really out of character things, dumb comments like yours might be thoughtless enough to make him do something.

Hon, it's well established that "I'm so high and upset" is not an excuse. Plenty of other people with drug problems have had temp or perma-bans from here. Some of them were mods at the time, or previously.

We're all (or mostly) drug users. We can't let "I'm high" be an excuse for poor behaviour.
 
I know some form of order is required for The Lounge but for years it has been "post and let post" to an extent. Sudden change from this ideology is what is causing this drama.
 
ClubbinGuido said:
for years [the lounge] has been "post and let post" to an extent.

No, it hasn't.

The drama is caused by all sides being over-combative and unwilling to give an inch.
 
Infinite Jest said:
Hon, it's well established that "I'm so high and upset" is not an excuse. Plenty of other people with drug problems have had temp or perma-bans from here. Some of them were mods at the time, or previously.

We're all (or mostly) drug users. We can't let "I'm high" be an excuse for poor behaviour.


What is defined as poor behavior in a forum where often immature and explicit threads exist?
 
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That would be defined by the forum guidelines.

[edited: the tone of my original response was inappropriate. I apologise]
 
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I'd say your repeated posting of images after being asked on numerous occasions to cool it is a great example of poor behavior.
 
Finder said:
No, it hasn't.

Compared to the rest of the site yes. There are numerous posts and threads in The Lounge that would edited, deleted, or removed if they were made in other forums.
 
We're not talking about the rest of the site, we're talking about the lounge.

ClubbinGuido said:
What is defined as poor behavior in a forum where often immature and explicit threads exist?

I'd say your repeated posting of images after being asked on numerous occasions to cool it is a great example of poor behavior. On the other hand, how you were dealt with on a few occasions would also be considered poor behavior.
 
Finder said:
I'd say your repeated posting of images after being asked on numerous occasions to cool it is a great example of poor behavior.

I have bowed to those wishes out of respect and for the good of the site.
 
Finder said:
We're not talking about the rest of the site, we're talking about the lounge.


The Lounge is Bluelight. It is one of many gears that make up the clock that is Bluelight.
 
Yes, it is one forum which when combined with others makes up an entire site. But in this thread, this discussion, we are talking about THE LOUNGE not the rest of Bluelight.

It's pretty simple.

ClubbinGuido said:
I have bowed to those wishes out of respect and for the good of the site.

To an extent, but all I've seen you do in this thread is try to play the martyr while continuing to thumb your nose at people elsewhere.
 
Infinite Jest said:
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Read. the.fucking.forum.guidelines.


I have and I have made changes to my posting habits in order to conform to these guidelines.

This part of the guidelines stands out to me:

Finder said:
IS NOT A SERIOUS FORUM
 
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