The King of Beans
Bluelighter
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Hi all,
Well I just had a curious question. I recently stopped doing stimulants
so much because I started getting some SERIOUS side effects while on them.
I wanted to explain my symptoms/side effects here and see if anyone else has
gotten these? I am sure these are not due to a panic attack because I read
that panic attacks usually last only 10 minutes. When I get these symptoms,
they last all night long, somtimes even days. But then when I abstain from the stimulants
these symptoms go away...so I am trying to figure out (without going to a doctor)
if I have something wrong with me, my heart, or possibly liver/gallbladder...
I know you guys aren't doctors, but I do NOT trust doctors one bit, and I'd rather hear
from experienced users of stimulants about this subject, to hopefully ease my mind. But please
be honest. And I really appreciate any info you could contribute.
Well, to start I googled "Heart attack on Methylone" and found literally ZERO
info on it. All I could find was people who had panic attacks. But this worries
me still, since I am sure my symptoms are not from a panic attack. I am hoping there
is nothing seriously wrong with me...and it's just the drugs that are causing these symptoms.
But take this into consideration- I NEVER got these symptoms when I first started doing methylone,
or other stimulants. Infact I felt great on them. I could breath really good, felt euphoric, etc.
So, I did them quite a bit. I'd say I did them(methylone, 3-mmc, 4-mec, 4-fa, 6-apb, 5-apb, etc I did all of the stimulant RC's pretty much, off and on. I might do a batch of 4-fa one week and then switch to 3-mmc a week later...but I rarely gave my body a break....) I abused them about 3 times a week for a year or so. Off and on.
Some weeks I wouldn't do them at all. But I am worried since I was doing them multiple times a week, sometimes days in a row.....
It's been about 17 years since I've seen a doctor and got my heart
tested. I was heavily into MDMA at that time and was having tightness in my heart area, so that is the reason
I went. Doctor said I had a strong heart at that time, and not to worry. So fast forward about 15 years later,
I get into these RC's and start doing them 3 times a week on average. I even went on binges that lasted a week
or longer. So, I am worried because of that abuse, I might of damaged my heart. Because all of a sudden, out of the
blue I started getting seriously bad side effects, nearly everytime I do the stims now.
I wanted to explain the exact effects I get, and describe them in detail and see if anyone has any opinion on what
it could be. Again, I refuse to visit any doctors, so this is my only hope of getting any info. I would die before
I'd set foot in a doctor's office or hospital again. (I have an extreme phobia of them too)
OK, so a few weeks ago, I did methylone and at first it was great, super hard rolling rush comes over me, but about
20 minutes into it, the middle of the right side of my chest and back (somewhere around my liver/gall bladder area)
gets extremely TIGHT or a tightness feeling in it, like my entire liver, (or whatever organ is there) is being taken
over by the drug. And then at the same time this happens, I sometimes get a very sharp piercing pain as well in that
same area. Especially when I try to take a deep breath. But the problem is, I ALSO get extreme shortness of breath and
can barely breath. So, this all happens at the same time. Sometimes I won't feel the sharp pain, because the tightness is
so bad, that I cannot "break it out" of that area.....(I can feel the tightness is connected to the pain though and if I could just
get the tightness to rip out of that area, it causes that crazy sharp pain...but I got the point to where my body could no longer
get the tightness out. My theory is that the tightness is toxins and that I have liver problems. Since I usually only experience this
WHILE on the drugs, and not when I am sober. Also the frequency that I used them concerns me, as I am not giving my body enough
time to detox the drugs, in between each use. so they continue to build up (Add that to possible liver problems and you can maybe
understand my fear) But the shortness of breath is what really bothers me. It accompanies this tightness. They come together.
The only info I could find on google about this, said to visit an emergency room immediately. It described my symptoms to a T,
but it didn't say what the condition was. I am worried I might have heart failure. As it seems to get worse if I lay down on my back,
so I have to stay sitting up. It really feels like I could die when this happens. I would hope it's just a panic attack, but it lasts all
night until the drug wears off, sometimes into the next day...and then gets better once my body detoxes the drug out of my system in a couple
of days. Keep in mind I NEVER got any effects like this when I first started doing the methylone...so I am worried something could be wrong with me,
and it's not just a side effect from the drug. But then, why do I only feel this when I am on the drug?? Does anyone else ever
experience anything like this, or have any idea what could be going on here? I trust you guys, more than I trust doctors. Doctors are simply
trained to put out toxic treatments and nothing they do or give you is good for you long term.....All of the effective treatments are illegal now
too, which is another reason I won't go. And I am scared to do any diagnosis tests they might offer too. So, I just can't go.
But I am still young, not even age 40 yet....I didn't want to die so young. I just had a dream the other night, and this girl in my
dream told me I'd be dead in 3 years. This could be a good dream though, meaning a change is coming so I am not worried about that...
Just want to make sure that doing the stimulant, like methylone is not too dangerous. It seems like it isn't since I cannot find a
SIGNLE CASE of anyone having a heart attack on it. But I am sure I have a problem with either my heart or liver/gall bladder from doing
my research....just wondering if anyone knows what is the most likely, and if possibly, this COULD just be a panic attack?
I don't get this symptom on caffiene, cigarettes, 6-apb or 5-apb or 5-mapb....only on stuff like 3-mmc, methylone, etc. So, it seems strange..,
you'd figure if it was my heart, that any stimulant would do this. I should also note that I usually drink alcohol with the stims
and it helps the tightness a bit. It helps me breath a bit better, by helping me burp. I know that sounds wierd. But it's like something
is seriously getting "trapped" in the right side of my chest or liver area....and that extreme tightness is just out of this world. Totally
feels like I'll die, as I can barely breath when it happens. It happens suddenly too, usually about 20 minutes into the drug. Recently, I was
able to do 3-mmc and I was breathing fine that night, so it doesn't happen every single time...it seems to be random. But it happens
a lot (most of the time) I also found that drinking grapefruit juice helps some....(even though it's supposed to potentiate the drug!)
Also smoking weed helps me breath better too when this happens....
Well that's about all the info I can think to write right now. Hopefully that is enough info for someone to give me a helpful answer.
I really appreciate your time reading all that and any info you could provide which might lead me to an answer. I know there is no way
to know for sure (Even going to a doctor, they are likely to misdiagnose you)....
My personal opinion is this- There is no diseases (Well there is, but they are extremely rare)...and all "disease" is simply a
nutrient defiency of some kind..and if you give your body what it needs, it will cure itself. So, doctors take the wrong approcah
altogether because they dont treat the victim. They just treat the symptoms with drugs. But covering the symptoms up, doesn't cure anything.
Well, thanks again, in advance. Hopefully some helpful discussion can come about this or some good harm reduction info for others
and possibly others who also experience the same thing I am.
Well I just had a curious question. I recently stopped doing stimulants
so much because I started getting some SERIOUS side effects while on them.
I wanted to explain my symptoms/side effects here and see if anyone else has
gotten these? I am sure these are not due to a panic attack because I read
that panic attacks usually last only 10 minutes. When I get these symptoms,
they last all night long, somtimes even days. But then when I abstain from the stimulants
these symptoms go away...so I am trying to figure out (without going to a doctor)
if I have something wrong with me, my heart, or possibly liver/gallbladder...
I know you guys aren't doctors, but I do NOT trust doctors one bit, and I'd rather hear
from experienced users of stimulants about this subject, to hopefully ease my mind. But please
be honest. And I really appreciate any info you could contribute.
Well, to start I googled "Heart attack on Methylone" and found literally ZERO
info on it. All I could find was people who had panic attacks. But this worries
me still, since I am sure my symptoms are not from a panic attack. I am hoping there
is nothing seriously wrong with me...and it's just the drugs that are causing these symptoms.
But take this into consideration- I NEVER got these symptoms when I first started doing methylone,
or other stimulants. Infact I felt great on them. I could breath really good, felt euphoric, etc.
So, I did them quite a bit. I'd say I did them(methylone, 3-mmc, 4-mec, 4-fa, 6-apb, 5-apb, etc I did all of the stimulant RC's pretty much, off and on. I might do a batch of 4-fa one week and then switch to 3-mmc a week later...but I rarely gave my body a break....) I abused them about 3 times a week for a year or so. Off and on.
Some weeks I wouldn't do them at all. But I am worried since I was doing them multiple times a week, sometimes days in a row.....
It's been about 17 years since I've seen a doctor and got my heart
tested. I was heavily into MDMA at that time and was having tightness in my heart area, so that is the reason
I went. Doctor said I had a strong heart at that time, and not to worry. So fast forward about 15 years later,
I get into these RC's and start doing them 3 times a week on average. I even went on binges that lasted a week
or longer. So, I am worried because of that abuse, I might of damaged my heart. Because all of a sudden, out of the
blue I started getting seriously bad side effects, nearly everytime I do the stims now.
I wanted to explain the exact effects I get, and describe them in detail and see if anyone has any opinion on what
it could be. Again, I refuse to visit any doctors, so this is my only hope of getting any info. I would die before
I'd set foot in a doctor's office or hospital again. (I have an extreme phobia of them too)
OK, so a few weeks ago, I did methylone and at first it was great, super hard rolling rush comes over me, but about
20 minutes into it, the middle of the right side of my chest and back (somewhere around my liver/gall bladder area)
gets extremely TIGHT or a tightness feeling in it, like my entire liver, (or whatever organ is there) is being taken
over by the drug. And then at the same time this happens, I sometimes get a very sharp piercing pain as well in that
same area. Especially when I try to take a deep breath. But the problem is, I ALSO get extreme shortness of breath and
can barely breath. So, this all happens at the same time. Sometimes I won't feel the sharp pain, because the tightness is
so bad, that I cannot "break it out" of that area.....(I can feel the tightness is connected to the pain though and if I could just
get the tightness to rip out of that area, it causes that crazy sharp pain...but I got the point to where my body could no longer
get the tightness out. My theory is that the tightness is toxins and that I have liver problems. Since I usually only experience this
WHILE on the drugs, and not when I am sober. Also the frequency that I used them concerns me, as I am not giving my body enough
time to detox the drugs, in between each use. so they continue to build up (Add that to possible liver problems and you can maybe
understand my fear) But the shortness of breath is what really bothers me. It accompanies this tightness. They come together.
The only info I could find on google about this, said to visit an emergency room immediately. It described my symptoms to a T,
but it didn't say what the condition was. I am worried I might have heart failure. As it seems to get worse if I lay down on my back,
so I have to stay sitting up. It really feels like I could die when this happens. I would hope it's just a panic attack, but it lasts all
night until the drug wears off, sometimes into the next day...and then gets better once my body detoxes the drug out of my system in a couple
of days. Keep in mind I NEVER got any effects like this when I first started doing the methylone...so I am worried something could be wrong with me,
and it's not just a side effect from the drug. But then, why do I only feel this when I am on the drug?? Does anyone else ever
experience anything like this, or have any idea what could be going on here? I trust you guys, more than I trust doctors. Doctors are simply
trained to put out toxic treatments and nothing they do or give you is good for you long term.....All of the effective treatments are illegal now
too, which is another reason I won't go. And I am scared to do any diagnosis tests they might offer too. So, I just can't go.
But I am still young, not even age 40 yet....I didn't want to die so young. I just had a dream the other night, and this girl in my
dream told me I'd be dead in 3 years. This could be a good dream though, meaning a change is coming so I am not worried about that...
Just want to make sure that doing the stimulant, like methylone is not too dangerous. It seems like it isn't since I cannot find a
SIGNLE CASE of anyone having a heart attack on it. But I am sure I have a problem with either my heart or liver/gall bladder from doing
my research....just wondering if anyone knows what is the most likely, and if possibly, this COULD just be a panic attack?
I don't get this symptom on caffiene, cigarettes, 6-apb or 5-apb or 5-mapb....only on stuff like 3-mmc, methylone, etc. So, it seems strange..,
you'd figure if it was my heart, that any stimulant would do this. I should also note that I usually drink alcohol with the stims
and it helps the tightness a bit. It helps me breath a bit better, by helping me burp. I know that sounds wierd. But it's like something
is seriously getting "trapped" in the right side of my chest or liver area....and that extreme tightness is just out of this world. Totally
feels like I'll die, as I can barely breath when it happens. It happens suddenly too, usually about 20 minutes into the drug. Recently, I was
able to do 3-mmc and I was breathing fine that night, so it doesn't happen every single time...it seems to be random. But it happens
a lot (most of the time) I also found that drinking grapefruit juice helps some....(even though it's supposed to potentiate the drug!)
Also smoking weed helps me breath better too when this happens....
Well that's about all the info I can think to write right now. Hopefully that is enough info for someone to give me a helpful answer.
I really appreciate your time reading all that and any info you could provide which might lead me to an answer. I know there is no way
to know for sure (Even going to a doctor, they are likely to misdiagnose you)....
My personal opinion is this- There is no diseases (Well there is, but they are extremely rare)...and all "disease" is simply a
nutrient defiency of some kind..and if you give your body what it needs, it will cure itself. So, doctors take the wrong approcah
altogether because they dont treat the victim. They just treat the symptoms with drugs. But covering the symptoms up, doesn't cure anything.
Well, thanks again, in advance. Hopefully some helpful discussion can come about this or some good harm reduction info for others
and possibly others who also experience the same thing I am.