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Boycott Singapore - Van's unfair sentance

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If I died from taking a pill, I sincerely hope no-one would start a thread to boycott raves and drug dealers because of my unfair death....
 
hoptis said:
Clean needles; why do junkies deserve clean needles? They made the stupid decision to inject drugs, they deserve all the disease, overdose and death they get.
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The people of Redfern have said time and time again that the needle exchange only brings trouble. Drug dealers are going and collecting heaps of needles and then selling them to customers.

Another example:

If a raver at a dance party takes an ecstasy pill and dies, how is his predicament any different from Nguyen's?

He knew what he was doing, made a conscious decision to take ecstasy, he was fully aware of the consequences but did it anyway. Does he deserve to die? The mission statement of this website would suggest not.
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No one forced Van to smuggle drugs, just as no one forced "the raver" to take what he believed to be ecstasy. the raver made the decision to take an unknown substance, he factored into account the good vs. the bad (feel good for a few hours vs eating an unknown substance, could seriously harm my body) and he went ahead and took it anyway. how is that anyones fault other than his own? the government didn't make him take it, he did it all himself. so it's his fault and his alone.

perhaps some of you should consider how your complete inability to exhibit the slightest bit of understanding, compassion or respect for human life
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While I understand that what Van did was wrong, he knew it was wrong, but chose to do it anyway, I fail to have any sympathy for the man because he is the one that was prepared to risk death for a few dollars and all of the odds were against him severely.

I have compassion for his poor mother, moving to Australia years ago to give her family a decent, good life and her son has gone and selfishly fucked up her life along with his own.

I have respect for human life too, I respect that 26,000 hits of heroin now wont be hitting the Australian streets, whilst it probably wont dent supply what it will do is at least stop a very small percentage of crime and will probably save a few more lives.


As it's been pointed out, Bluelight is not about supporting heroin smuggling. Then again, it's certainly not about showing callous disregard for someone's life, no matter how stupid or risky their drug-related activities are.
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Bluelight is about harm-minimisation, if Van had joined the forums prior to 2004, everyone on this board dare I say would tell him he was a complete and utter moron for attempting something so ridiculous. Harm minimisation means reducing the risks, how is it harm reduction by risking your life for a few dollars?
 
swifty said:
If I died from taking a pill, I sincerely hope no-one would start a thread to boycott raves and drug dealers because of my unfair death....
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I doubt they would...

According to the opinions of some in this thread, even though it would have been your choice to take the drug, the dealer should be held accountable for your death. In fact, they believe he in turn should die.
 
swifty said:
If I died from taking a pill, I sincerely hope no-one would start a thread to boycott raves and drug dealers because of my unfair death....
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No but I would boycott the government (as if there's a way) on their unfair drug laws, and the lack of legalisation and education, leading you to taking a dodgy street drug.
 
keystroke said:
the most important part of my post is there are other Australians that are going to be executed and instead of bitching and moaning about one that is already basically as good as dead all you bleeding hearts should have focused on a solution earlier, rather than radical last minute attempts to save the life of a drug trafficker.
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I'm still trying to work out why you're attempting to take the moral high ground here. Your "logic" is that he's a drug trafficker, so we shouldn't give a shit.

You're on a discussion forum devoted to drugs. Have you taken them before? If so, your little rant about how much better Australia will be without these so called 26,000 victims is crap. You're promoting illegal drugs simply by taking them, so enough of the holier than thou bullshit.
 
my logic is that he broke the fucking law. why is it so hard for everyone here to understand that if you break the law you get dealt a punishment that the government finds suitable to the crime?

he knew the rules, he broke them. now he is dead. too fucking bad. that's the risk he took.
 
keystroke said:
my logic is that he broke the fucking law. why is it so hard for everyone here to understand that if you break the law you get dealt a punishment that the government finds suitable to the crime?

he knew the rules, he broke them. now he is dead. too fucking bad. that's the risk he took.
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You completely missed the point of my post. It seems to be a recurring theme, not the brightest young chap are you?

Read it again, take your time. If you're finding the message is lost, try asking someone to spell it out for you phonetically.
 
up all night said:
^ Since you're posting on this board I'm assuming you've broken the law at some stage too. I think you should die now.
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I'm not aware of any crime in Australia that is associated with capital punishment. that's why I'm well aware of what laws I break and if I do happen to break the law, I am accountable for my own actions and I am willing to do what's required if I am caught.
 
keej said:
You completely missed the point of my post. It seems to be a recurring theme, not the brightest young chap are you?

Read it again, take your time. If you're finding the message is lost, try asking someone to spell it out for you phonetically.
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and no, I don't take drugs. but I don't see what one or two ecstasy pills taken locally and having half a kilo of heroin strapped to your body travelling through Asian airports have in common. perhaps you can enlighten me.
 
IF THE LAW IS IMMORAL IS IT NOT RIGHT TO BE OPPOSED TO IT?

That's the message you keep looking past. He broke the law. He probably knew about the law.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT IS RIGHT TO FUCKING KILL HIM!
 
lostpunk5545 said:
IF THE LAW IS IMMORAL IS IT NOT RIGHT TO BE OPPOSED TO IT?

That's the message you keep looking past. He broke the law. He probably knew about the law.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT IS RIGHT TO FUCKING KILL HIM!
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bullshit, it is right according to their government. they make their own laws as does ever other country in this world. whether or not you agree with it, doesn't make it any less right or wrong.
 
keystroke said:
I'm not aware of any crime in Australia that is associated with capital punishment. that's why I'm well aware of what laws I break and if I do happen to break the law, I am accountable for my own actions and I am willing to do what's required if I am caught.
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Yeah, don't mind me. It was a really immature and petty thing to write.

I was just trying to point out that breaking the law shouldn't mean someone dies. We're not against this guys execution because we think he should go unpunished, we merely think [and I'll admit that our opinion probably has a lot to do with the fact we've grown up in a country that no longer practices capital punishment] that noone should die because they smuggle, deal or take drugs. In my mind it doesn't matter that he was caught in Singapore - I don't think he should die.

Anyways, I think I've said the same point enough times to bore everyone so I'll just retreat and shut up now.
 
^True. (for lostpunk, this thread is jumpin!!) I'm amazed by the stupidity and ignorance of some of the people in this thread. Keystroke I've come to expect it of i guess, but KB, you disappoint me...

There's a lot more to Nguyen's story than any of us will ever know. Who knows what he was faced with, what terrible and restrictive scope of choices he had? Not any of us, that's for fucking sure.

Lisa hit the nail on the head with her comments on compassion. sure you can support the rule of law, and I can respect you for being open-minded enough to believe in another country's right to define their own legal system, but that doesn't mean you have to think it's RIGHT!!

Putting this man to death simply is not, cannot and will not ever be so. It is important to draw that fact alone as being distinguished from any 'he had it coming' or 'he knew the risks' comments you may make.
 
keystroke said:
bullshit, it is right according to their government. they make their own laws as does ever other country in this world. whether or not you agree with it, doesn't make it any less right or wrong.
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So Hitler was right in executing jews because it was deemed lawful in his country?

I mean, they broke the laws by being there after all!
 
No, once again you've skipped around the point.

I'm refuting your statement that since it's lawful, it makes it right. I think that it's blindingly fucking obvious that the laws of the land often don't make something right.
 
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