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Boycott Singapore - Van's unfair sentance

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KemicalBurn said:
So, what youre saying "Im fucking right and its unjust because i said so"?

I never would have you of all people would be so easily alligned to a "Bushism"

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I reckon you and George Bush would make a great team. The political prowess of Bush coupled with your scientific knowledge regarding evolution - you could re-ignite the eugenics movement and take over the world. ;)
 
Morality is not law, even if law reflects or intends to reflect morality.

In some judicial systems, the word morality concretely means a requirement for the access to certain charges or careers, or for the obtaining of certain licenses or concessions, and generally consists of the absence of previous records on (e.g.) crimes, bankruptcy, political or commercial irregularities.

In some systems, the lack of morality of the individual can also be a sufficient cause for punishment, or can be an element for the grading of the punishment.

Especially in the systems where modesty (i.e., with reference to sexual crimes) is legally protected or otherwise regulated, the definition of morality as a legal element and in order to determine the cases of infringement, is usually left to the vision and appreciation of the single judge and hardly ever precisely specified. In such cases, it is common to verify an application of the prevalent common morality of the interested community, that consequently becomes enforced by the law for further reference.


- wiki...
 
Im not the one trying to tell another country how to run itself :)

I'm saying "let them do their shit how they wish to." The law isnt really fair - but (for the last fucking time) Van knew the law was in place.

He knew the consequences, so fuck him.
 
^^ Stop trying to twist things you manipulating little poo


"The law isnt really fair" "He knew the consequences, so fuck him."

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(cant believe im back in this thread) :p

Reminds me of a story Urbie posted in the 'fucked up things at Gigs'.

this ugly fat chick passed out drunk right on the bar counter, the barmans just ingored her, as I was only 3 metres away minding my own business and this guy came from no where came along and moved her off the stool.

So he should sit there and put her on his laps, he just bluntly pulled his dick out, this chick was still in passed out drunk state, he just moved her undies aside, and he just bluntly fucked her right there on the bar and that chick was still passed out. I couldn't believe it. I looked at the barman in shock, he just mouthed me "I know" and rolled his eyes.
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My question to Keystroke and KemicalBurn:

Is it her own dumb fault for drinking alcohol - she knows the risks, she deserved to be raped?

Should someone have intervened; or it it none of their goddamed business?

If you do intervene is it because what is happening illegal or immoral?


I dont care about whether this correlated to Van or not ... I am just seriously struggling to understand you guys.
 
he did know the consequences, come on. if you don't know the drug laws in Asia by now with all this fucking media exposure then tough shit.

what did he think was going to happen when he strapped half a kilo of heroin to his body?
 
m4dd0g said:
(cant believe im back in this thread) :p

Reminds me of a story Urbie posted in the 'fucked up things at Gigs'.


My question to Keystroke and KemicalBurn:

Is it her own dumb fault for drinking alcohol - she knows the risks, she deserved to be raped?

Should someone have intervened; or it it none of their goddamed business?

If you do intervene is it because what is happening illegal or immoral?


I dont care about whether this correlated to Van or not ... I am just seriously struggling to understand you guys.
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it wasn't the girls choice to be raped, a girl being raped and you wrapping half a kilo of heroin to your body are two entirely different things.

the girl didn't have a choice, the idiot with the heroin did. there's a big fucking difference with that analogy.
 
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Im not twisting anything. its what ive said from the beginning.
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Yeah i know. Thats why i call bullshit. Im sorry to say but your views dont really make a whole lot of sense. Maybe you are one of those people who dont read previous posts so ill say it again.

There have been many laws in the past which certain countries have used to violate human rights. The death penalty being one of them. Others include the White Australia policy, Aparthied and other race laws in the United States. Are you saying that other countries had absolutly no business in trying to pursue change in these areas?

I view everyone on this earth as equal. If any of my brothers or sisters are dying unjustly in any part of the world, it is my right to take a stand and protest for change.

If everyone were apathetic little fucks like yourself, i would imagine we would be living in a totalitarian world where people like you would be the ones crying. In the past, people gave all they had to protest for change. Leeches like yourself are the ones basking in the glory of their achievments.

I feel more sorry for you then anything else. Even though our views are vastly different, you are still my brother and even if someone like yourself were on the gallows, i would still work just as hard in protesting it. Because at the end of the day Van or whoever it may be. represents all of humanity and when humans are still killing each other in the name of justice, it over-rides all our other achievments in every other field.
 
Please dont call me a mong if im simply trying to understand your point of view. It makes you look small

Van didnt choose to die, he smuggled heroin and thought the odds were good.

The girl didnt choose to be raped, she got shitfaced, alone, in redneck ville bunderburg and thought it would never happen to her.
(im sure a lot of girls would consider this extremely bad judgement)

Hypothesis for the sake of argument:
The girl and van both thought the odds of their mutual behaviors having negative side effects were equal.

Please answer my questions if you value my respect for your point of view.
If not, no loss i suppose.
 
No, m4dd0g - that is just weak.

The girl went to a pub and had a few too many. a shitty thing happened as a result.

The fact is, she didnt break the law. someone took advantage of her because she had passed out.

Van, was fully aware of what he was doing.

Their "negative" behaviours are completely different. theres no correlation whatsoever.

To expound:

She wasnt aware that her having one too many drinks would result in her being raped.

Van was aware that if he got caught smuggling heroin that he would be sentenced to death.
 
the girl didn't decide to be raped. someone else decided that.

van decided to smuggle heroin. he decided it alone. so I still fail to see what the similarities of the two are? one had a choice and one didn't.
 
No. that lline is bullshit.

What you are implying as a rule for the hypothesis is: if a girl goes out in public she should be fearful of a rape, and if she has a drink too many then its her fault.

Its a loaded analogy that has no merits at all.
 
maddog, I thought you had a little more insight than to compare a drunken rape incident to the wilful tafficking of heroin...
 
Its strange you guys think Van chose to be caught.
Or that the law is somehow more than just a system of possible consequences.

Im not saying you guys are wrong ... i really do just want to understand

I take a drug and its got some really bad shit in it ... do you all say 'haa haa haa .. stupid fucker, he knew the risks .. NEXT' ?
Instead of going ... 'we could help him'
 
No one think van chose to get caught, but as KB has pointed out, if you're prepared to gamble with your life, don't be surprised when you lose it.

It's the simple rule of gambling, don't gamble shit you can't afford to lose whether it be money, house or life. That's all van did, take a gamble and unfortunately for him the house won...
 
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