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onetwothreefour
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silvia saint wrote:
whilst the wanking continues a man is waiting to be murdered. spare a thought for him, seeing that is the purpose of this thread.
whilst the wanking continues a man is waiting to be murdered. spare a thought for him, seeing that is the purpose of this thread.
thankyou.
i seem to have missed the boat a bit anyway, but things better stay calmed down or i will be wielding my FIST OF DEATH!!!!1 :D
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endlesseulogy
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http://www.getup.org.au/index.asp
You can email the Singapore PM directly.
A short message would take a couple of minutes.
Dont let a certified nation commit murder.
Every message counts
You can email the Singapore PM directly.
A short message would take a couple of minutes.
Dont let a certified nation commit murder.
Every message counts
shorza
Bluelighter
Why the fuck would you do that???onetwothreefour said:
There hasn't been this sort of discussion since the 'Can you fax acid' thread.
Stay the fuck out mod and let us have a discussion!
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
onetwothreefour
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(i just like using my fist of death 
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endlesseulogy
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The official logo of the Singapore Prison Service which reads :
SECURITY - HUMANITY - REHABILITATION
On the first page of the Singapore Prison's website it reads :
"Its easy to see the flaws in people. But do you have what it takes to recognise the good in them?"
http://www.prisons.gov.sg/
KemicalBurn
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Charlie Brown said:
I have explained it. several times
ButrosButros_Grantos
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endlesseulogy said:http://www.getup.org.au/index.asp
You can email the Singapore PM directly.
A short message would take a couple of minutes.
Dont let a certified nation commit murder.
Every message counts
It's not murder, for them it's justice.
Let him swing...
up all night
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^ Technically you're right but I still think of it as murder. There should be no such thing as lawful killing.
ee, I wrote something on that site. All I can say, is that if I ever get caught doing something really fucking stupid I hope there are more people like ee who give a shit and less compassionless bystanders who hide behind science and apathy.
ee, I wrote something on that site. All I can say, is that if I ever get caught doing something really fucking stupid I hope there are more people like ee who give a shit and less compassionless bystanders who hide behind science and apathy.
KemicalBurn
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^or...you could just not involve yourself in reckless endeavors that endanger your life.
endlesseulogy
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KemicalBurn said:I have explained it. several times
KB. I respect your knowledge regarding Chaos and Darwinism.
However you could use the same theories to relate to and justify war.
That, to me, is pretty dangerous.
Butros Butros...
One man's justice is another man's injustice.
Call it what you want, but at the end of the day words like justice are only highly subjective labels.
Just because Singapore calls it jusice, dosnt mean you have to.
That is besides the point.
Logic shows that no-one should kill another, further, that no-one should kill another out of wrath.
The death penalty is not right.
Sovereignty. Culture. Emotion.
Look beyond it.
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KemicalBurn
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endlesseulogy said:
there have been more wars "justified" by religion and politics than by theories of science. this is where i would normally use that your knowledge of religion against you
in fact, i dont think you could apply what ive said to any war ... care to elaborate?
endlesseulogy
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^^What do the words Ethnic Cleansing mean to you?
Eugenics?
A race is seen as inferior because of its financial/intellectual/religious beliefs therefore it is deemed disposable by another race and killed off.
If the other race cant deal with being attacked (the environment) then their genetic blood line will cease to exist.
Also, I dont claim to be of any religious pursuasion. Religion isnt bad, its the people behind the religion that put their own personal wants and desires before the rest of humanity. Science is a religion.
Instead of explaining the universe as having a creator, mainstream science uses the big bang theory which says the universe came from nowhere. So much for science basing all its beliefs on observable facts. How can you really really be sure of anything when the very process that put you here in the first place isnt a given. Scientists use the same argument with people who believe in a creator saying, well, if you cant see it, you cant prove it. Looks like that argument comes around full circle.
I reckon in 100-1000 years when have all this awesome shiny technology, having destroyed the planet and deprived it of oxygen, we'll be too busy trying to survive we wont have time for it. But ofcourse in this age people dont see humanity as a whole. We are all individuals with absolutly no connection to anything greater then ourselves, which means we dont really care about life in 100-1000 years because we wont be alive. How self-centred. Its about time somebody spared a thought for this scenario.
I reckon we'll never know whos right or wrong.. Religion Vs Science.. Thats the fun of life.. If we knew everything it would be pretty dull.
In the mean time, people should believe in whatever tickles their fancy. Even if you want to believe that the Earth is just some sort of staging ground on the supply chain of some sort of intergalactic version of McDonalds, then so beit Because its not what you believe in that really matters. Its the fact that you are believing in something outside yourself that fosters an attitude of oneness with the world around you.
The secret will be revealed when we pass on, but until then the power of the human imagination will be at our fingertips. We can use it for good or bad
"God is dead. Science is the new god."
Anyway. I really dont feel like tangenting and getting myself into more loops. This isnt about science.
Eugenics?
A race is seen as inferior because of its financial/intellectual/religious beliefs therefore it is deemed disposable by another race and killed off.
If the other race cant deal with being attacked (the environment) then their genetic blood line will cease to exist.
Also, I dont claim to be of any religious pursuasion. Religion isnt bad, its the people behind the religion that put their own personal wants and desires before the rest of humanity. Science is a religion.
Instead of explaining the universe as having a creator, mainstream science uses the big bang theory which says the universe came from nowhere. So much for science basing all its beliefs on observable facts. How can you really really be sure of anything when the very process that put you here in the first place isnt a given. Scientists use the same argument with people who believe in a creator saying, well, if you cant see it, you cant prove it. Looks like that argument comes around full circle.
I reckon in 100-1000 years when have all this awesome shiny technology, having destroyed the planet and deprived it of oxygen, we'll be too busy trying to survive we wont have time for it. But ofcourse in this age people dont see humanity as a whole. We are all individuals with absolutly no connection to anything greater then ourselves, which means we dont really care about life in 100-1000 years because we wont be alive. How self-centred. Its about time somebody spared a thought for this scenario.
I reckon we'll never know whos right or wrong.. Religion Vs Science.. Thats the fun of life.. If we knew everything it would be pretty dull.
In the mean time, people should believe in whatever tickles their fancy. Even if you want to believe that the Earth is just some sort of staging ground on the supply chain of some sort of intergalactic version of McDonalds, then so beit
Because its not what you believe in that really matters. Its the fact that you are believing in something outside yourself that fosters an attitude of oneness with the world around you. The secret will be revealed when we pass on, but until then the power of the human imagination will be at our fingertips. We can use it for good or bad
"God is dead. Science is the new god."
Anyway. I really dont feel like tangenting and getting myself into more loops. This isnt about science.
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KemicalBurn
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endlesseulogy said:
The big bang has observable effects. it explains why there is more matter than anti-matter. It explains why there is "red shifting". theres lots more but my brain is slightly oddways atm..
Its accepted fact. it happened. once again, the word theory takes under a whole new meaning when its applied in science.
eh- i really cant be bothered with this thread anymore. im done.
ChalkOutlineMan
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poor guy, hanging is fucked up.
twe@k
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Do not hang this man
Neil Mitchell
27oct05
AUSTRALIA, where is your soul? Has this become such an unforgiving country that a large percentage of the population is willing to gather like some bloodthirsty cheer squad, urging the death of a poor stupid young man who at worst was a bit player in the evil of the international drug trade?
The case of Tuong Van Nguyen, the Melbourne man facing execution in Singapore, has unquestionably revealed a brutal hardening of attitudes in this country.
This is not just a debate about capital punishment.
It has developed into a public display of insecurity and anger built around a thirst for revenge so powerful it threatens to erode the sense of humanity and decency we like to think embodies Australia.
Is this the majority speaking? The polls, the letters and the noise from the pro-hangers would suggest it is, and as momentum builds it is clear that those who identify the obscenity of capital punishment must now stand up.
Why is it happening?
Terrorism, perhaps.
Since that madman Osama bin Laden attacked New York there has been so much violence and death perhaps the public imagination is numb and one more killing seems a powerful blow for justice.
Is it the threat of becoming a victim?
Perhaps some are so frightened by the prospect of being bashed or burgled they rush to embrace the cynical and simplistic tub-thumpers who say crime prevention is about whipping and hanging.
Tuong Van Nguyen does not deserve to die.
That is not to defend his character because what he has admitted to doing was criminal, greedy and deadly.
But read his trial transcript. This was a confused, stupid young man.
With drugs strapped to his body he sprinted to catch his flight to Australia, guaranteeing the attention of security staff at Changi airport. When being checked after a metal detector alert he effectively offered the drugs to the guard.
They were looking for sunglasses that had set off the machine and instead found a package taped to his back.
After being arrested and admitting guilt he began to howl like a baby and tried to bash his head against the wall. Is that the behaviour of a drug lord?
Does that sound like a sophisticated international drug runner, or a frightened young man who has blundered into something way beyond his control?
So why kill him?
Why this public vitriol for an inept drug-runner from Glen Waverley?
Some public commentators who claim to have intellect and some politicians who make no such claim, say they so strongly support capital punishment they would willingly carry out the ghastly deed themselves.
Have they no imagination?
Ask any person who has had to kill another. They don't boast, they suffer.
Yet these simpletons would rush to be executioner. The same people tend to argue in slogans, like "hang him -- he'll never deal drugs again" or "a dead criminal is cheaper to feed".
That's offensive nonsense.
It demeans all human life, not just that of the condemned man.
There are legitimate and dignified arguments to be put by both sides about capital punishment, but we are not hearing them.
There is instead an almost hysterical mood for revenge, and the cry for blood is ugly.
Perhaps the debate has been suppressed for too long and those who can argue passionately and persuasively against it need to be heard again.
Perhaps it is because Tuong is an Asian Australian and not a pretty young girl from Brisbane.
Our Prime Minister has not helped because on this he is inconsistent.
He accepts the likely execution of Saddam Hussein or the Bali terrorists on the basis that it is "the law of that country". But he objects when Singapore plans to kill an Australian.
Opposing capital punishment is not optional. You either support it or not.
Moreover, it is entirely legitimate to oppose the behaviour of another country if you find it repugnant.
As Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot massacred their own citizens nobody said it was their right to behave as they wished in their own country.
Execution is inhumane.
It does not work.
If the death penalty were a deterrent, idiots like Tuong would not continue to be arrested across South-East Asia. They do it knowing the risks.
Deadly retribution rarely satisfies the families of victims. They have had enough of death.
Most want the offender locked away, forgotten.
But most of all, as this debate becomes even more ugly, remember this is not Hollywood.
These are real people who shed real blood.
Listen to the condemned man's mother as she pleads for his life.
She knows her son has done a very bad thing, but loves him unconditionally.
CONSIDER his amateurish attempts to smuggle drugs and even if you support capital punishment in certain cases, ask yourself whether this man deserves to die.
And then, if you still demand his death, think about the process.
Tuong will know exactly when and how he will die.
There can be nothing more cruel. His neck may break, he may strangle, or he may be decapitated.
Whichever, he will struggle and suffer.
His death will cause pain to many people.
It will demean those in this country who have stood applauding like ghouls around the gallows.
And it will achieve nothing.
[email protected]
NEIL MITCHELL broadcasts from 8.30am weekdays on 3AW
im praying for a miracle for you van.
im a glen waverley boy too and while i dont really know van i sort of knew his brother and had seen van around.
this guy is going to be executed for making a huge mistake all because he believed his brother would be killed by a drug syndicate he owed a lot of money to.
everyone deserves at least one second chance.
this is too messed up.
Neil Mitchell
27oct05
AUSTRALIA, where is your soul? Has this become such an unforgiving country that a large percentage of the population is willing to gather like some bloodthirsty cheer squad, urging the death of a poor stupid young man who at worst was a bit player in the evil of the international drug trade?
The case of Tuong Van Nguyen, the Melbourne man facing execution in Singapore, has unquestionably revealed a brutal hardening of attitudes in this country.
This is not just a debate about capital punishment.
It has developed into a public display of insecurity and anger built around a thirst for revenge so powerful it threatens to erode the sense of humanity and decency we like to think embodies Australia.
Is this the majority speaking? The polls, the letters and the noise from the pro-hangers would suggest it is, and as momentum builds it is clear that those who identify the obscenity of capital punishment must now stand up.
Why is it happening?
Terrorism, perhaps.
Since that madman Osama bin Laden attacked New York there has been so much violence and death perhaps the public imagination is numb and one more killing seems a powerful blow for justice.
Is it the threat of becoming a victim?
Perhaps some are so frightened by the prospect of being bashed or burgled they rush to embrace the cynical and simplistic tub-thumpers who say crime prevention is about whipping and hanging.
Tuong Van Nguyen does not deserve to die.
That is not to defend his character because what he has admitted to doing was criminal, greedy and deadly.
But read his trial transcript. This was a confused, stupid young man.
With drugs strapped to his body he sprinted to catch his flight to Australia, guaranteeing the attention of security staff at Changi airport. When being checked after a metal detector alert he effectively offered the drugs to the guard.
They were looking for sunglasses that had set off the machine and instead found a package taped to his back.
After being arrested and admitting guilt he began to howl like a baby and tried to bash his head against the wall. Is that the behaviour of a drug lord?
Does that sound like a sophisticated international drug runner, or a frightened young man who has blundered into something way beyond his control?
So why kill him?
Why this public vitriol for an inept drug-runner from Glen Waverley?
Some public commentators who claim to have intellect and some politicians who make no such claim, say they so strongly support capital punishment they would willingly carry out the ghastly deed themselves.
Have they no imagination?
Ask any person who has had to kill another. They don't boast, they suffer.
Yet these simpletons would rush to be executioner. The same people tend to argue in slogans, like "hang him -- he'll never deal drugs again" or "a dead criminal is cheaper to feed".
That's offensive nonsense.
It demeans all human life, not just that of the condemned man.
There are legitimate and dignified arguments to be put by both sides about capital punishment, but we are not hearing them.
There is instead an almost hysterical mood for revenge, and the cry for blood is ugly.
Perhaps the debate has been suppressed for too long and those who can argue passionately and persuasively against it need to be heard again.
Perhaps it is because Tuong is an Asian Australian and not a pretty young girl from Brisbane.
Our Prime Minister has not helped because on this he is inconsistent.
He accepts the likely execution of Saddam Hussein or the Bali terrorists on the basis that it is "the law of that country". But he objects when Singapore plans to kill an Australian.
Opposing capital punishment is not optional. You either support it or not.
Moreover, it is entirely legitimate to oppose the behaviour of another country if you find it repugnant.
As Adolf Hitler and Pol Pot massacred their own citizens nobody said it was their right to behave as they wished in their own country.
Execution is inhumane.
It does not work.
If the death penalty were a deterrent, idiots like Tuong would not continue to be arrested across South-East Asia. They do it knowing the risks.
Deadly retribution rarely satisfies the families of victims. They have had enough of death.
Most want the offender locked away, forgotten.
But most of all, as this debate becomes even more ugly, remember this is not Hollywood.
These are real people who shed real blood.
Listen to the condemned man's mother as she pleads for his life.
She knows her son has done a very bad thing, but loves him unconditionally.
CONSIDER his amateurish attempts to smuggle drugs and even if you support capital punishment in certain cases, ask yourself whether this man deserves to die.
And then, if you still demand his death, think about the process.
Tuong will know exactly when and how he will die.
There can be nothing more cruel. His neck may break, he may strangle, or he may be decapitated.
Whichever, he will struggle and suffer.
His death will cause pain to many people.
It will demean those in this country who have stood applauding like ghouls around the gallows.
And it will achieve nothing.
[email protected]
NEIL MITCHELL broadcasts from 8.30am weekdays on 3AW
im praying for a miracle for you van.
im a glen waverley boy too and while i dont really know van i sort of knew his brother and had seen van around.
this guy is going to be executed for making a huge mistake all because he believed his brother would be killed by a drug syndicate he owed a lot of money to.
everyone deserves at least one second chance.
this is too messed up.
electreauxbella
Bluelighter
Some questions to all of you who believe that the hanging should not take place;
Where were you defending Toung when he was charged with this crime years ago?
Where were you standing up for him, writing your letters to the Singapore Government when the original sentence was handed down, and not just in the last few weeks of his life??
Why start now?
It's all very well and good that some of you seem to jump on the "Human Rights" bandwagon now, but I can't say that any of you have proven that you have been following the case from the start and trying to "help" from the get go. It seems that as soon as the media brings something like this to light, the public pleas that the sencence is too harsh, or that he didn't know what he was doing. I say bullshit.
The simple fact of the matter is that he broke the law. Regardless of his motivation, he knew wht he was doing and got caught. He will now pay the ultimate price for his stupidity.
In most countries in the world, drugs are illegal and drug traffickers will always be punished - this will happen until the end of time, unless drugs are legalized.
It's not murder, it's justice.
Where were you defending Toung when he was charged with this crime years ago?
Where were you standing up for him, writing your letters to the Singapore Government when the original sentence was handed down, and not just in the last few weeks of his life??
Why start now?
It's all very well and good that some of you seem to jump on the "Human Rights" bandwagon now, but I can't say that any of you have proven that you have been following the case from the start and trying to "help" from the get go. It seems that as soon as the media brings something like this to light, the public pleas that the sencence is too harsh, or that he didn't know what he was doing. I say bullshit.
The simple fact of the matter is that he broke the law. Regardless of his motivation, he knew wht he was doing and got caught. He will now pay the ultimate price for his stupidity.
In most countries in the world, drugs are illegal and drug traffickers will always be punished - this will happen until the end of time, unless drugs are legalized.
It's not murder, it's justice.
m4dd0g
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You believe people dont have a right to protest now if they didnt before?electreauxbella said:
FFS, please dont give people more excuses not to evolve their morals*
* Disclaimer: No correlation to species evolution intended. KemicalBurn will probably have a testicle explode if we tread those murky waters again
Correct. By definition murder is 'not lawful'electreauxbella said:
In this context, 'murder' was intended to mean 'morally unjust killing'.
So I assume you think it's a fair/just punishment to be killed for smuggling drugs?
Personally, i do not, but IF I did believe in execution, it would be for crimes such as rape, pedophilia, child abuse, or premeditated murder. Not greed and/or stupidity.
What i dont understand is if you believe someone should die for smuggling drugs, you arent protesting our government for the same punishment for that crime or worse ones?
silvia saint
Bluelighter
electreauxbella said:
being aware of the case sooner is irrelevant. if you're against it you're against it, now or then. cool tickets don't apply, it's not a matter of "i was listening to them before they got a record deal". with so much fucked up shit going on the world it's impossible to be aware of all the atrocities taking place from day one, especially seeing how our newstainment programs rarely inform and seek to distract.
and yes, drugs, amongst other restrictions on freedom, will never be legalized whilst people like yourself remain apathetic.
i see what attracted you to keystroke 8)
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